Refugee Refuses High Rise Flat - Takes Council To Court - Can't Speak Any English

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:23 pm

7th March 2014

Who gave this non-English-speaking REFUGEE the idea that she can take the council to court???

Due to give birth too - how timely.

A refugee took a council to the High Court when she turned down their offer of a high rise council house claiming she was scared of heights. Somalian Naima Mohamoud, who does not speak any English, claims she is separated from her husband and said she was thrown out of friend's house when she told them she was due to give birth. She applied for council accommodation and signed a form agreeing that if she refused an offer of a home she would not get another. Ms Mahamoud was given the chance to move into a tower block, by Birmingham City Council.

http://www.courtnewsuk.co.uk/newsgallery/#sthash.01Mhvqns.dpuf

by Fred Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:51 pm

Disgraceful that this woman is being treated this way.

At the very least with the first of what will probably be a large family the council should have given her a three bedroom property

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:52 pm

recanter wrote:Disgraceful that this woman is being treated this way.

At the very least with the first of what will probably be a large family the council should have given her a three bedroom property

pmsl

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:53 pm

At least give them a week or two to boot out some English family, recanter!

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:02 pm

I wonder if the Eskimo's are also suffering with an influx of immigrants with not enough ice holes to go round.

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:04 pm

Croissant wrote:I wonder if the Eskimo's are also suffering with an influx of immigrants with not enough ice holes to go round.

Christ! Don't tell them about England.

by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 07, 2014 7:18 pm

Another example of some dodgy foreigner abusing our systems and good nature, and of our soft touch leftie councils bending over backwards to accommodate them.

This needs stopping and these people need returning whence they came.

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:25 pm

Christ on a bike you people make me fucking sick. Is there ever going to be a time when you turn into human beings and recognise that just because someone has more of a pigment in their skin and was born in the different area of the planet, you are no better and no worse than them and it doesn't make them bad people. You aren't worth the price of a piece of dry bread. Human, you wouldn't know how to be. Your a disgrace to the human race.

by eddie Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:36 pm

Unfortunately if she's legal then she's entitled to be rehomed if she's pregnant.

Some refugees are genuine and the trouble is we don't know which ones are spongers and which are genuinely in need.

by Fred Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:04 pm

Sassy wrote:Christ on a bike you people make me fucking sick. Is there ever going to be a time when you turn into human beings and recognise that just because someone has more of a pigment in their skin and was born in the different area of the planet, you are no better and no worse than them and it doesn't make them bad people. You aren't worth the price of a piece of dry bread. Human, you wouldn't know how to be. Your a disgrace to the human race.

My point exactly. Lets face it she is desperate for the safety of our country but surely doesn't want to lower her standards. She probably had a huge residence from whence she came and like I said a 3 bedroom DETACHED is the minimum.

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:10 pm

FFS, another arsehole sticks his head up.

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 9:33 pm

Sassy wrote:FFS, another arsehole sticks his head up.

Rats escaping a sinking ship....

by Tommy Monk Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:20 pm

How did this woman get here it the first place?

Through any other safe countries by any chance?

If in danger then could have gone to many places nearer to home and easier to get to than here, so why travel through/past so many nearer safe options to get here?

We all know the answer to that!!!!

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:27 pm

Are there classes you can join to become a real human being, possessing things like empathy etc that most of us take for granted?

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:How did this woman get here it the first place?

Through any other safe countries by any chance?

If in danger then could have gone to many places nearer to home and easier to get to than here, so why travel through/past so many nearer safe options to get here?

We all know the answer to that!!!!

Yes - how did she get here?

The plane journey must have been terrifying for somebody so scared of heights What a Face

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:29 pm

Where's your empathy for these, Sassy?

Cageman, London, United Kingdom, 6 hours ago

WHAT!!!!!!!!! My little sister isn't allowed a council house because my mum and dad have a spare room in their own home that they own outright so my sister, her boyfriend and their baby have to live in a room at my mum and dads yet my mum and dad, my grandparents, myself and my sister & her boyfriend ALL pay taxes and have ALL paid taxes all our life and she cant get one but this refugee who isn't from this country, never paid a penny into it gets to "pick and choose" where they want to live!!! How about you live back in your own country?!

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load of bs, London n17, 6 hours ago

Suppose she had legal aid paid for by taxpayer? My friend been on council waiting list 15 years but born here and white, got no chance of being offered anything even with 3 children, one disabled!

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madness14, stoke on trent, United Kingdom, 5 hours ago

If your friend has been waiting that long, is a British citizen and has a disabled child then yes she deserves priority over an immigrant, but why mention her skin colour? Does being white give her bonus points and make her more entitled than anyone at all who isn't??

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HydeParkSoapBox, london, United Kingdom, 6 hours ago

The plane fight over must have been horrible!

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Darren, Dublin, 6 hours ago

I take it she walked to Britain then as someone so scared of heights surely couldn't fly

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Hodge0007, Bucks, England, 6 hours ago

Awesome, just awesome.... Just what I need to read as I struggle to pay the rent and save for a house!!!
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Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2575725/Somalian-refugee-refused-council-flat-scared-heights-WINS-High-Court-battle-offered-alternative.html#ixzz2vK44Fk5m

by scrat Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:39 pm

eddie wrote:Unfortunately if she's legal then she's entitled to be rehomed if she's pregnant.

Some refugees are genuine and the trouble is we don't know which ones are spongers and which are genuinely in need.

Trillions of dollars, fountains of wealth stashed away in tax havens, worthless on paper but hey we're too stupid or apathetic to care, that's the reality, and yet some cretinous poisonous fraggle fritters away his/her hours fixated on the activities of the most vulnerable in our society, just in case one of them might smile.

by Guest Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:45 pm

scrat wrote:
eddie wrote:Unfortunately if she's legal then she's entitled to be rehomed if she's pregnant.

Some refugees are genuine and the trouble is we don't know which ones are spongers and which are genuinely in need.
Trillions of dollars, fountains of wealth stashed away in tax havens, worthless on paper but hey we're too stupid or apathetic to care, that's the reality, and yet some cretinous poisonous fraggle fritters away his/her hours fixated on the activities of the most vulnerable in our society, just in case one of them might smile.

Absolutely, if they are so worried, tell 'em to make the tax dodgers pay up!

by Fred Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:31 am

Sassy wrote:
scrat wrote:
Trillions of dollars, fountains of wealth stashed away in tax havens, worthless on paper but hey we're too stupid or apathetic to care, that's the reality, and yet some cretinous poisonous fraggle fritters away his/her hours fixated on the activities of the most vulnerable in our society, just in case one of them might smile.

Absolutely, if they are so worried, tell 'em to make the tax dodgers pay up!

I couldn't agree more. Tax everyone more especially those that earn over £40,000 to ensure this lady has the finest residence. Indeed bring in all her relatives and friends who also have the largest Somalian properties(i.e. Mud Huts) and build a new town to house them.

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:28 am

Sassy wrote:Are there classes you can join to become a real human being, possessing things like empathy etc that most of us take for granted?

No answer to the questions I see.

There are laws in place regarding asylum seekers, primarily that they are required to claim it in the nearest/first safe country available. Not travel across many without claiming, to then claim in their preferred country of choice on arrival. And then only because of the perception of chosen destination being the one that may provide the best standard of living re housing and benefits etc.

I have empathy all right, not for piss taking foreigners bending the law and abusing our systems and good nature to get here and trying to stay for their own benefit. But for the British people who have had enough of paying for it and of being taken the piss out of!!

It's all very well to appear charitable and to want to allow people to come in and live off of us, but how many beggars could you afford to put up and feed and clothe in your house before you then became overcrowded, poor and needy yourself?

You don't make other countries better by allowing masses of their people to come and live here, you just make our country worse off, both financially and generally for our people, and in a less able position overall to help anyone.

A race to the bottom is the ideal of the left.

You don't help success by adding failure, you help failure by adding success.

by Fred Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:47 am

The point is Sassy has all the empathy and you do the paying Tommy. It's the lefts answer to everything. They tell us how caring they are and hand you the bill.

Bloody great world they spend all your money and when it runs out they blame you.

by SEXY MAMA Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:27 pm

eddie wrote:Unfortunately if she's legal then she's entitled to be rehomed if she's pregnant.

Some refugees are genuine and the trouble is we don't know which ones are spongers and which are genuinely in need.

If she was genuine she wouldn't have complained. Living in a high rise is heaven compared to the blood shed , rape and constant robbing of their houses from where they have escaped from.

The fact that she took the council to court shows she knows how to manipulate our laws and get away with it!

by Dagenham Monologues Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:13 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
eddie wrote:Unfortunately if she's legal then she's entitled to be rehomed if she's pregnant.

Some refugees are genuine and the trouble is we don't know which ones are spongers and which are genuinely in need.

If she was genuine she wouldn't have complained. Living in a high rise is heaven compared to the blood shed , rape and constant robbing of their houses from where they have escaped from.

The fact that she took the council to court shows she knows how to manipulate our laws and get away with it!

Indeed but look at sassy's reply berating those who are appalled by this. The lawyers supporting her are left wing activist forcing the council to waste tens of thousands on legal fees. It is a serious kick in the balls for those who have offered her sanctuary.

by Dagenham Monologues Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:14 pm

Sassy wrote:
scrat wrote:
Trillions of dollars, fountains of wealth stashed away in tax havens, worthless on paper but hey we're too stupid or apathetic to care, that's the reality, and yet some cretinous poisonous fraggle fritters away his/her hours fixated on the activities of the most vulnerable in our society, just in case one of them might smile.

Absolutely, if they are so worried, tell 'em to make the tax dodgers pay up!

Unbelievable never a word about the ingratitude of someone who is supposedly running for her life.

Is there ever a point were you say this is ingratitude or do you think that people should be taxed to death because you say there shouldn't be limits. Are you aware we have had a deficit since 2008? We can't afford it how thick are you?

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:22 pm

‘The challenge is made on the basis that Ms Mohamoud’s confusion led her to refuse the offer of accommodation in circumstances where, if she had understood the true position, she would have accepted it’, Lord Justice Moore-Bick said, sitting with Lord Justice McFarlane and Mrs Justice Proudman.
‘It is hard to see how the Council could have made it clearer that only one offer would be made.
‘However I can understand how someone, either reading the letter cursorily or not fully understanding it, might find the bidding process confusing’, the judges said.
‘It may be the case that Ms Mohamoud was confused about the system.
‘I would only add that Ms Mohamoud should not take this judgment as meaning that she will inevitably receive another offer of accommodation'.

https://www.facebook.com/policealertsUKnewsreportsUk/posts/10203497907908354?stream_ref=10

Didn't realise it would be her only offer and still doesn't get another propery.

You can all stop worrying about the three bedroom house she isn't going to get. Rolling Eyes

by Dagenham Monologues Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:26 pm

Sassy wrote:‘The challenge is made on the basis that Ms Mohamoud’s confusion led her to refuse the offer of accommodation in circumstances where, if she had understood the true position, she would have accepted it’, Lord Justice Moore-Bick said, sitting with Lord Justice McFarlane and Mrs Justice Proudman.
‘It is hard to see how the Council could have made it clearer that only one offer would be made.
‘However I can understand how someone, either reading the letter cursorily or not fully understanding it, might find the bidding process confusing’, the judges said.
‘It may be the case that Ms Mohamoud was confused about the system.
‘I would only add that Ms Mohamoud should not take this judgment as meaning that she will inevitably receive another offer of accommodation'.

https://www.facebook.com/policealertsUKnewsreportsUk/posts/10203497907908354?stream_ref=10

Didn't realise it would be her only offer and still doesn't get another propery.

You can all stop worrying about the three bedroom house she isn't going to get.

Still no acknowledgement of the ingratitude of the woman. For someone who reckons she is so clever why do you think someone supposedly in fear of her life would be so picky? Isn't that a clue? Isn't the fact we are borrowing money to keep these people not a clue we are broke? Why is your answer spend more because the other bloke will pay?

Don't tell me you care you simply are happy for your grandchildren to pay. Nice lady!

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:29 pm

What ingratitude, she thought she was going to get a choice, then found she would continue being homeless with a new baby. You really should learn to research before you open your mouth.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:36 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
eddie wrote:Unfortunately if she's legal then she's entitled to be rehomed if she's pregnant.

Some refugees are genuine and the trouble is we don't know which ones are spongers and which are genuinely in need.

If she was genuine she wouldn't have complained. Living in a high rise is heaven compared to the blood shed , rape and constant robbing of their houses from where they have escaped from.

The fact that she took the council to court shows she knows how to manipulate our laws and get away with it!

My thoughts exactly - this just doesn't add up.

I'm assuming she hadn't been here long - it says she was "homeless" but living in her friends place - how did she happen to meet a friend after fleeing her home country for her life??

When given anywhere to live the only emotion she should have felt was relief, not gratitude, not happiness, not sadness, but relief that she had escaped whatever awful circumstances she was fleeing and had somewhere to begin a new life with her unborn child.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:39 pm

‘The challenge is made on the basis that Ms Mohamoud’s confusion led her to refuse the offer of accommodation in circumstances where, if she had understood the true position, she would have accepted it’, Lord Justice Moore-Bick said, sitting with Lord Justice McFarlane and Mrs Justice Proudman.
‘It is hard to see how the Council could have made it clearer that only one offer would be made.
‘However I can understand how someone, either reading the letter cursorily or not fully understanding it, might find the bidding process confusing’, the judges said.
‘It may be the case that Ms Mohamoud was confused about the system.
‘I would only add that Ms Mohamoud should not take this judgment as meaning that she will inevitably receive another offer of accommodation'.

https://www.facebook.com/policealertsUKnewsreportsUk/posts/10203497907908354?stream_ref=10

Didn't realise it would be her only offer and still doesn't get another propery.

No good avoiding it Andy, it shows that it was the OPPOSITE of her knowing how to manipulate the system.

by Dagenham Monologues Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:43 pm

She was a chancer not a real asylum seeker. She is ripping of the people of the UK why is it you support these people instead of those being ripped off Sassy. Do you hate your fellow Brits?

by Tommy Monk Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:25 pm

We used to have a saying here, 'beggars can't be choosers!'.

That is the right way things should be!

The more we allow in by hood winking us, the more there are phoning their friends and families back home telling them how great and easy it is, and the more that will arrive with the same bullshit stories trying to do the same!

When will the lefties stop being so gullible and believing their rubbish and allowing this to continue?

It is no surprise that when people have an opportunity to improve their lives, they go for it, that is human nature.

The difference here is that while most of us are honest and wouldn't consider anything as an opportunity if it involved lying, cheating and stealing to succeed, the majority of asylum seekers claims are based on opportunism with lying, cheating and stealing being fundamental to their success.

by Guest Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:29 pm

Read the actual court case. She did not lie or cheat, as acknowledged by the court. But facts never bother you.

How about the lying and cheating and tax avoidance and evasion?

by Irn Bru Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:06 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:We used to have a saying here, 'beggars can't be choosers!'.

That is the right way things should be!

The more we allow in by hood winking us, the more there are phoning their friends and families back home telling them how great and easy it is, and the more that will arrive with the same bullshit stories trying to do the same!

When will the lefties stop being so gullible and believing their rubbish and allowing this to continue?

It is no surprise that when people have an opportunity to improve their lives, they go for it, that is human nature.

The difference here is that while most of us are honest and wouldn't consider anything as an opportunity if it involved lying, cheating and stealing to succeed, the majority of asylum seekers claims are based on opportunism with lying, cheating and stealing being fundamental to their success.

Can you support that with some evidence from a credible source?

by Tommy Monk Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:53 am

These people lie and cheat their way into the country with the sole intention of trying to stay by again lying and cheating through their subsequent abuse of our asylum system and rules.

This is all at massive cost, not to them, but to us, and equates to theft of taxpayers money, housing and resources.

Surely it is easy to prove that all the asylum claimants arrived directly from their country of origin without passing through other safe countries, as there would be extensive travel records showing where they would have been checked in on board these direct means of transport, at air/sea ports both leaving and here on arrival to UK passport control, thus confirming their direct journey???

If there is no record of this then surely it is down to the claimant to prove otherwise?

As it is then most likely the case that they didn't arrive directly through an established and legitimate route, but they must have instead passed through numerous safe countries to get here, and without making any claim for asylum, as any genuine refugee should/would do when in fear of their life, but instead choosing to endure a much longer, difficult, costly and risky journey across these safe countries to then arrive in the UK by further illegal and criminal means.

Oh, and let's not forget Sangette!!!!

by Dagenham Monologues Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:59 am

Tommy Monk wrote:These people lie and cheat their way into the country with the sole intention of trying to stay by again lying and cheating through their subsequent abuse of our asylum system and rules.

This is all at massive cost, not to them, but to us, and equates to theft of taxpayers money, housing and resources.

Surely it is easy to prove that all the asylum claimants arrived directly from their country of origin without passing through other safe countries, as there would be extensive travel records showing where they would have been checked in on board these direct means of transport, at air/sea ports both leaving and here on arrival to UK passport control, thus confirming their direct journey???

If there is no record of this then surely it is down to the claimant to prove otherwise?

As it is then most likely the case that they didn't arrive directly through an established and legitimate route, but they must have instead passed through numerous safe countries to get here, and without making any claim for asylum, as any genuine refugee should/would do when in fear of their life, but instead choosing to endure a much longer, difficult, costly and risky journey across these safe countries to then arrive in the UK by further illegal and criminal means.

Oh, and let's not forget Sangette!!!!

And then after all that travel and worry they find a solicitor to sue because they were not given the finest residence this side of the Misssipi.

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:04 am

recanter wrote:The point is Sassy has all the empathy and you do the paying Tommy. It's the lefts answer to everything. They tell us how caring they are and hand you the bill.

Bloody great world they spend all your money and when it runs out they blame you.

I think the bit in bold sums it all up very well.

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:40 am

This is why such threads are utterly stupid.

We have genuine refugees and asylum seekers and we have others who are not. All have to be investigated and whilst doing this are not allowed to work and for the vast majority housed in accommodation that other people do not want or would in reality you would have to pay someone to live there, not charge them rent. So yes it is wrong when something is offered and a person demands more, but if the accommodation that was offered is like many other places offered to asylum seekers, which most of us would condemn to live in, was she wrong to question that? The reality though is she suffers from a fear of heights, so would any hear force a person to get onto a plane, because they fear flying? If this fear is genuine, then she would ask for something else, that goes without saying.

Of course not, so why would you force someone to live in a high rise black of flats if they have a fear of heights? She may well be lying, she may well not be lying, but again this story is jumped upon because people have a bad stereotype of asylum seekers and refugees, as if they are all on the take. That is what is really wrong, is posters again playing upon the fear and prejudice card, not able to see past their own prejudice. You then get the daft claims on how they got here as if all are liars and implicit to a scam, which is a typical trait of those again wishing to instill a dislike of a group of people, which is utterly pathetic.

So yes whilst those who have their claims turned down should be returned, those who are genuine have a right to stay here without ridicule from mindless prejudice idiots. Andy further shows this ignorance by expecting a refugee to speak English (making point of this in the title), I would like him to explain why to me ?

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:50 am

To me, it's not so much whether they are genuine or not which is the issue, it's the attitude. If someone is genuinely in danger and they end up here, fine, but they should be grateful to the country which took them in, and grateful that the tax payers will pay for them. Taking a council to court because the flat was not to their liking does not show much gratitude.

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:55 am

Raggamuffin wrote:To me, it's not so much whether they are genuine or not which is the issue, it's the attitude. If someone is genuinely in danger and they end up here, fine, but they should be grateful to the country which took them in, and grateful that the tax payers will pay for them. Taking a council to court because the flat was not to their liking does not show much gratitude.

Why would you be grateful of a high rise flat, if you have a fear of heights?

So what attitude? That is not having an attitude at all, that shows the person to not want to live somewhere which exposes them to a great fear they have.

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:56 am

PhilDidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:To me, it's not so much whether they are genuine or not which is the issue, it's the attitude. If someone is genuinely in danger and they end up here, fine, but they should be grateful to the country which took them in, and grateful that the tax payers will pay for them. Taking a council to court because the flat was not to their liking does not show much gratitude.

Why would you be grateful of a high rise flat, if you have a fear of heights?

So what attitude, that is not having an attitude at all, that shows the person to not want to live somewhere which exposes them to a great fer they have.

Why? Because she's been taken in and paid for. She could have gone back to where she was in danger of course.

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:59 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

Why would you be grateful of a high rise flat, if you have a fear of heights?

So what attitude, that is not having an attitude at all, that shows the person to not want to live somewhere which exposes them to a great fer they have.

Why? Because she's been taken in and paid for. She could have gone back to where she was in danger of course.

Utterly absurd, so a refugee comes here to flee oppression to be told by you to go back, because she should accept a place even though she has a fear of heights. I think that sort of mentality ended with the Spanish inquisition, so at least your prejudice is exposed for what it truly is, to not help people if of course they have a tan or born outside the UK

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:02 am

PhilDidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why? Because she's been taken in and paid for. She could have gone back to where she was in danger of course.

Utterly absurd, so a refugee comes here to flee oppression to be told by you to go back, because she should accept a place even though she has a fear of heights. I think that sort of mentality ended with the Spanish inquisition, so at least your prejudice is exposed for what it truly is, to not help people if of course they have a tan or born outside the UK

She could always try to get over her fear of heights of course. After all, lots of people live in high-rise flats.

I haven't mentioned the colour of her skin, you did.

So you think that anyone should come here and take the tax payers money with no gratitude at all? This country will end up with more people taking money out than there are putting money in.

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:03 am

Actually, I think the same about anyone on benefits. Instead of bleating on about their rights or what they're "entitled" to, maybe they should think about how they wouldn't get anything if it were not for the hardworking people who have to pay tax.

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:05 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

Utterly absurd, so a refugee comes here to flee oppression to be told by you to go back, because she should accept a place even though she has a fear of heights. I think that sort of mentality ended with the Spanish inquisition, so at least your prejudice is exposed for what it truly is, to not help people if of course they have a tan or born outside the UK

She could always try to get over her fear of heights of course. After all, lots of people live in high-rise flats.

I haven't mentioned the colour of her skin, you did.

So you think that anyone should come here and take the tax payers money with no gratitude at all? This country will end up with more people taking money out than there are putting money in.

She is Somalian, what shin colour do you think she has, green?

Who is saying she is not grateful, that again is your own absurd assumption and now you also think it is easy to overcome a fear of heights also even though for many cannot overcome this. Your whole argument is based upon again a poor prejudice stereotype view you have of refugees. We have a very strict system in this country or obtaining the right to remain here.

How many people do you know that live in a high rise block of flats and have a fear of heights?

No need to answer that, because it will be zero!

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:11 am

PhilDidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

She could always try to get over her fear of heights of course. After all, lots of people live in high-rise flats.

I haven't mentioned the colour of her skin, you did.

So you think that anyone should come here and take the tax payers money with no gratitude at all? This country will end up with more people taking money out than there are putting money in.

She is Somalian, what shin colour do you think she has, green?

Who is saying she is not grateful, that again is your own absurd assumption and now you also think it is easy to overcome a fear of heights also even though for many cannot overcome this. Your whole argument is based upon again a poor prejudice stereotype view you have of refugees. We have a very strict system in this country or obtaining the right to remain here.

How many people do you know that live in a high rise block of flats and have a fear of heights?

No need to answer that, because it will be zero!

I don't care what colour she is, I'm talking about her ingratitude and lack of responsibility for herself. Instead of whining and spending more of the tax payers' money on a court case, she could have thought to herself - well I'm scared of heights but hey, it's time I got over that so I'm going to try.

You think she's grateful? Well I don't - all I see is a woman who wants her "rights" and doesn't give a damn about the people who are paying for her to live here.

I just told you I have the same view about anyone who claims benefits.

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:16 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

She is Somalian, what shin colour do you think she has, green?

Who is saying she is not grateful, that again is your own absurd assumption and now you also think it is easy to overcome a fear of heights also even though for many cannot overcome this. Your whole argument is based upon again a poor prejudice stereotype view you have of refugees. We have a very strict system in this country or obtaining the right to remain here.

How many people do you know that live in a high rise block of flats and have a fear of heights?

No need to answer that, because it will be zero!

I don't care what colour she is, I'm talking about her ingratitude and lack of responsibility for herself. Instead of whining and spending more of the tax payers' money on a court case, she could have thought to herself - well I'm scared of heights but hey, it's time I got over that so I'm going to try.
What ingratitude, how are you meant to be grateful of being offered something that will give you daily anxiety, seriously did you hit your head this morning? That shows you have utterly no comprehension of a fear of heights and to you think it is easily overcome.

You think she's grateful? Well I don't - all I see is a woman who wants her "rights" and doesn't give a damn about the people who are paying for her to live here.
Really and you base this on what, your own absurd beliefs, again born from poor stereotype prejudice views, but that is all I am seeing from your absurd replies. What I see is a woman ask for an alternative because they have a fear of heights, that is not an unreasonable request, due to her condition

I just told you I have the same view about anyone who claims benefits.

And who says all who claim benefits are not grateful? I am sure some are not but there is also others who do, again showing how poorly you form prejudice views, mainly I guess because you lap up media stories

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:22 am

PhilDidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't care what colour she is, I'm talking about her ingratitude and lack of responsibility for herself. Instead of whining and spending more of the tax payers' money on a court case, she could have thought to herself - well I'm scared of heights but hey, it's time I got over that so I'm going to try.
What ingratitude, how are you meant to be grateful of being offered something that will give you daily anxiety, seriously did you hit your head this morning? That shows you have utterly no comprehension of a fear of heights and to you think it is easily overcome.

You think she's grateful? Well I don't - all I see is a woman who wants her "rights" and doesn't give a damn about the people who are paying for her to live here.
Really and you base this on what, your own absurd beliefs, again born from poor stereotype prejudice views, but that is all I am seeing from your absurd replies. What I see is a woman ask for an alternative because they have a fear of heights, that is not an unreasonable request, due to her condition

I just told you I have the same view about anyone who claims benefits.

And who says all who claim benefits are not grateful? I am sure some are not but there is also others who do, again showing how poorly you form prejudice views, mainly I guess because you lap up media stories

I say so. All we ever hear about is people on benefits complaining that it's not enough, or that they should be able to have a spare bedroom at the tax payers' expense. We never hear anyone say how grateful they are that they get any rent paid for them, do we?

If you're so concerned, perhaps you could dig deep in your pockets and pay for this lady to live somewhere more to her liking. You could even give her your bank details so she can use your money instead of the tax payers' money.

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:28 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

And who says all who claim benefits are not grateful? I am sure some are not but there is also others who do, again showing how poorly you form prejudice views, mainly I guess because you lap up media stories

I say so. All we ever hear about is people on benefits complaining that it's not enough, or that they should be able to have a spare bedroom at the tax payers' expense. We never hear anyone say how grateful they are that they get any rent paid for them, do we?

If you're so concerned, perhaps you could dig deep in your pockets and pay for this lady to live somewhere more to her liking. You could even give her your bank details so she can use your money instead of the tax payers' money.

Thank you for proving my point, you lap up media stories, enough said and cannot think for yourself.
The reality is you have no argument here to claim she is ungrateful, because you expect a person to being accepting of something that will cause them daily distress. Now would you say the same if the person was in a wheelchair? Of course not because you recognise that as being a potential problem for the person to live there. If you recognise that, then it shows then you do not recognise the condition of a fear of heights as valid, which again is absurd. Thus again and I will stress this again, it is not unreasonable to request an alternative accommodation if the person has a fear of heights.

How does it make me concerned by just showing how inept your argument is?

All I am showing is I understand what is reasonable to ask and that I also understand due to her condition why she would ask

by Raggamuffin Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:31 am

PhilDidge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I say so. All we ever hear about is people on benefits complaining that it's not enough, or that they should be able to have a spare bedroom at the tax payers' expense. We never hear anyone say how grateful they are that they get any rent paid for them, do we?

If you're so concerned, perhaps you could dig deep in your pockets and pay for this lady to live somewhere more to her liking. You could even give her your bank details so she can use your money instead of the tax payers' money.

Thank you for proving my point, you lap up media stories, enough said and cannot think for yourself.
The reality is you have no argument here to claim she is ungrateful, because you expect a person to expect accepting something that will cause them daily distress. Now would you say the same if the person was in a wheelchair? Of course not because you recognise that as being a potential problem for the person to live there. If you recognise that, then it shows then you do not recognise the condition of a fear of heights as valid, which again is absurd. Thus again and I will stress this again, it is not unreasonable to request an alternative accommodation if the person has a fear of heights.

How does it make me concerned by just showing how inept your argument is?

All I am showing is I understand what is reasonable to ask and that I also understand due to her condition why she would ask

She could always live in a hostel I guess.

How did she get here? Not on a plane I assume.

Actually, I hear people complain about benefits themselves, I don't just read about it in the papers. However, when do you ever read a report about someone saying it was fair enough that they have to pay some of their own rent because they've had loads of money off the tax payers' already?

by Guest Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:35 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
PhilDidge wrote:

Thank you for proving my point, you lap up media stories, enough said and cannot think for yourself.
The reality is you have no argument here to claim she is ungrateful, because you expect a person to expect accepting something that will cause them daily distress. Now would you say the same if the person was in a wheelchair? Of course not because you recognise that as being a potential problem for the person to live there. If you recognise that, then it shows then you do not recognise the condition of a fear of heights as valid, which again is absurd. Thus again and I will stress this again, it is not unreasonable to request an alternative accommodation if the person has a fear of heights.

How does it make me concerned by just showing how inept your argument is?

All I am showing is I understand what is reasonable to ask and that I also understand due to her condition why she would ask

She could always live in a hostel I guess.

How did she get here? Not on a plane I assume.

Actually, I hear people complain about benefits themselves, I don't just read about it in the papers. However, when do you ever read a report about someone saying it was fair enough that they have to pay some of their own rent because they've had loads of money off the tax payers' already?

I imagine she already was, being as she had no place mentioned where she was staying.
How did she get from her friends house to where she is living now, I guess a taxi or walking, not difficult to figure out.
So you go off Chinese whispers then, off people doing exactly the same lapping up media stories. Nobody is denying again that some are ungrateful or that some take the piss, the fact is though there is genuine people who are grateful and who genuinely need help

How would your last point be even news worthy, seriously that is daft, no newspaper would even be interested, as it is not a selling news story

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