Sasha Johnson: Black Lives Matter activist shot in London

Earlier, Imarn Ayton, a friend of Ms Johnson's, told the BBC doctors had carried out surgery on her fellow activist, which had gone well and she was "now with her parents".

She said Ms Johnson had been at a party or gathering when she was injured but she did not believe "she was the intended victim".

"As far as I am aware... this incident is more related to rival gangs as opposed to her activism," Ms Ayton said.

Detectives from the Met's Specialist Crime Command have been investigating at the scene and the surrounding area and are pursuing a number of lines of inquiry.

It is believed the shooting happened near a house where a party was taking place and a number of people may have been in the area, a Met Police statement said.

The Taking the Initiative Party said the attack followed "numerous death threats".


He added: "If you saw anything suspicious in the Consort Road area in the early hours of Sunday morning, or if you have heard information since that could help detectives, it is crucial that you get in touch."

Dr Darren Henry, who knew Ms Johnson through community activism campaigns, called on those speculating about the shooting to "let the police do their jobs".

"Like any shocking or horrendous crime in our community, we hope that the offenders are brought to justice and that there is no bias and no racism.

"Let the police do their watching and monitoring, but we are out here as well doing our watching and our monitoring."


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57223755


Odd story.

Seems like it's gang warfare.

If it's like US gang warfare, won't be getting solved any time soon.

Diane Abbot on Twitter....

Black activist #SashaJohnson in hospital in critical condition after sustaining a gunshot wound to the head. Nobody should have to potentially pay with their life because they stood up for racial justice #BlackLivesMatter

It was a gang related shooting and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Inflammatory statements like Abbott's just make things worse and worse and gives the real racists ammunition. She's such a fucking idiot.

HoratioTarr wrote:Diane Abbot on Twitter....

Black activist #SashaJohnson in hospital in critical condition after sustaining a gunshot wound to the head. Nobody should have to potentially pay with their life because they stood up for racial justice #BlackLivesMatter

It was a gang related shooting and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  
Inflammatory statements like Abbott's just make things worse and worse and gives the real racists ammunition.  She's such a fucking idiot.

There is power and profit in inflammation.

HoratioTarr wrote:Diane Abbot on Twitter....

Black activist #SashaJohnson in hospital in critical condition after sustaining a gunshot wound to the head. Nobody should have to potentially pay with their life because they stood up for racial justice #BlackLivesMatter

It was a gang related shooting and she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.  
Inflammatory statements like Abbott's just make things worse and worse and gives the real racists ammunition.  She's such a fucking idiot.

And another thing. She was welcome at a gang activity.

You and I wouldn't be welcome there.

Makes one wonder what some "activists" are up to?

Maybe she was trying to solve some gang related issues, but it will be interesting to see why she was there.

Maddog wrote:You and I wouldn't be welcome there.

Well, be reasonable. You would be most welcome at a Klan meeting. Ya can't have it both ways.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:You and I wouldn't be welcome there.

Well, be reasonable.  You would be most welcome at a Klan meeting.  Ya can't have it both ways.

I'll defer to your intimate knowledge about the guest lists at Klan meetings.

Maddog wrote:Seems like it's gang warfare.

If it's like US gang warfare, won't be getting solved any time soon.

To the contrary, it looks like she was targeted.  Gang hits are aimless and indiscriminate—shoot at a crowd and run—and are generally for reprisal, aimed at rival gang gatherings, not one individual.  One would have to be awfully lucky to hit such a key target, in such a strategic area as the head, no less.

From what the article says, it has all the markings of the kind of hit we see in the south, where guns are freely available and racism abounds.  It looks like what we have come to term, generically, as a lynchin'.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Seems like it's gang warfare.

If it's like US gang warfare, won't be getting solved any time soon.

To the contrary, it looks like she was targeted.  Gang hits are aimless and indiscriminate—shoot at a crowd and run—and are generally for reprisal, aimed at rival gang gatherings, not one individual.  One would have to be awfully lucky to hit such a key target, in such a strategic area as the head, no less.

From what the article says, it has all the markings of the kind of hit we see in the south, where guns are freely available and racism abounds.  It looks like what we have come to term, generically, as a lynchin'.

Who says she was targeted?

You do know she was shot by 4 black men don't you?

Well, not by all 4 of them, but they were the people that were doing the shooting and stabbing.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

To the contrary, it looks like she was targeted.  Gang hits are aimless and indiscriminate—shoot at a crowd and run—and are generally for reprisal, aimed at rival gang gatherings, not one individual.  One would have to be awfully lucky to hit such a key target, in such a strategic area as the head, no less.

From what the article says, it has all the markings of the kind of hit we see in the south, where guns are freely available and racism abounds.  It looks like what we have come to term, generically, as a lynchin'.

Who says she was targeted?

The facts I have mentioned say she was targeted.

Maddog wrote:You do know she was shot by 4 black men don't you?

Well, not by all 4 of them, but they were the people that were doing the shooting and stabbing.  

So? Obtaining hitmen of a certain race shows that even more strategic forethought went into this than a random gang shoot.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:You do know she was shot by 4 black men don't you?

Well, not by all 4 of them, but they were the people that were doing the shooting and stabbing.  

So?  Obtaining hitmen of a certain race shows that even more strategic forethought went into this than a random gang shoot.

What this shows is you haven't bothered to follow the story and decided to speculate while being poorly informed.

If you spent more time reading, instead of typing, you wouldn't make all these mistakes.

“Our work is ongoing to establish the motive for this attack but I want to reiterate that nothing has been brought to our attention that suggests Sasha was targeted. I would urge anyone who can help our investigation to get in touch so we can ensure these dangerous individuals are identified and arrested.”



Hey Quill, help them crack the case. They need your input.

Tell them about all of your doctorates and how smart you are.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:


So?  Obtaining hitmen of a certain race shows that even more strategic forethought went into this than a random gang shoot.

What this shows is you haven't bothered to follow the story and decided to speculate while being poorly informed.

If you spent more time reading, instead of typing, you wouldn't make all these mistakes.  

Why?  The BBC story is pretty thorough.  Do you have evidence that we haven't seen?  If so, why don't you share it...it's your thread.

Why are you trying to takes us down the rabbit-hole of gang warfare? Could it be because you want to hide a more intricate racist crime? Could it be you want to blur out all the details, and make it a black-on-black, gang-related incident? Nothing to see here, folks...look over there, not over here.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

What this shows is you haven't bothered to follow the story and decided to speculate while being poorly informed.

If you spent more time reading, instead of typing, you wouldn't make all these mistakes.  

Why?  The BBC story is pretty thorough.  Do you have evidence that we haven't seen?  If so, why don't you share it...it's your thread.

Why are you trying to takes us down the rabbit-hole of gang warfare?  Could it be because you want to hide a more intricate racist crime?  Could it be you want to blur out all the details, and make it a black-on-black, gang-related incident?  Nothing to see here, folks...look over there, not over here.

Quill, anyone with a knowledge of London is painfully aware that gang warfare, centred primarily on drugs, is a very serious problem and that black people  are just as likely to be involved as are whites.

There are many, many recorded incidents of black on black attacks, and the fact that the overwhelming evidence in this incident points to it being the case here, with this unfortunate woman happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and being hit in a random shooting, is not the “racist” occurrence  that is being promoted by those with a vested interest in stirring up trouble.

Unless, of course, she is a descendant of the Mandinka tribe who has been targeted by Wolofs intent on settling old scores......an eventuality that I suggest may be considered extremely remote.

A prominent Black Lives Matter activist was shot by a group of four black men at a party in south London, police say.

Sasha Johnson is critically ill in hospital after being shot in the head at a property in Peckham on Sunday.

Met Commander Alison Heydari said the men had "entered the garden of the property and discharged a firearm".


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57238301

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

What this shows is you haven't bothered to follow the story and decided to speculate while being poorly informed.

If you spent more time reading, instead of typing, you wouldn't make all these mistakes.  

Why?  The BBC story is pretty thorough.  Do you have evidence that we haven't seen?  If so, why don't you share it...it's your thread.

Why are you trying to takes us down the rabbit-hole of gang warfare?  Could it be because you want to hide a more intricate racist crime?  Could it be you want to blur out all the details, and make it a black-on-black, gang-related incident?  Nothing to see here, folks...look over there, not over here.

Try to keep up as new information becomes available.

It's not that difficult.

Tommy Monk wrote:A prominent Black Lives Matter activist was shot by a group of four black men at a party in south London, police say.

Sasha Johnson is critically ill in hospital after being shot in the head at a property in Peckham on Sunday.

Met Commander Alison Heydari said the men had "entered the garden of the property and discharged a firearm".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57238301

Sneaking in through the back garden? Not the front door? It sounds like a well-planned, purposeful hit...not a wild party gone out of control.

My guess is there is a bit of organized racism in the UK, perhaps a chapter of the KKK. It looks as if white supremacy is on the rise there.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Why? The BBC story is pretty thorough. Do you have evidence that we haven't seen? If so, why don't you share it...it's your thread.

Why are you trying to takes us down the rabbit-hole of gang warfare? Could it be because you want to hide a more intricate racist crime? Could it be you want to blur out all the details, and make it a black-on-black, gang-related incident? Nothing to see here, folks...look over there, not over here.

Quill, anyone with a knowledge of London is painfully aware that gang warfare, centred primarily on drugs, is a very serious problem and that black people are just as likely to be involved as are whites.

There are many, many recorded incidents of black on black attacks, and the fact that the overwhelming evidence in this incident points to it being the case here, with this unfortunate woman happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and being hit in a random shooting...

It doesn't sound very random, Fred. And the victim is not any old “unfortunate woman”...she is a high-profile, black activist. The perps, sneaking in through a back entrance? That's too much planning for 'random'. And a precise shot to the head? That's a professional at work.

Look to the obvious, first.

Original Quill wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Quill, anyone with a knowledge of London is painfully aware that gang warfare, centred primarily on drugs, is a very serious problem and that black people  are just as likely to be involved as are whites.

There are many, many recorded incidents of black on black attacks, and the fact that the overwhelming evidence in this incident points to it being the case here, with this unfortunate woman happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and being hit in a random shooting...

It doesn't sound very random, Fred.  And the victim is not any old “unfortunate woman”...she is a high-profile, black activist.  The perps, sneaking in through a back entrance?  That's too much planning for 'random'.  And a precise shot to the head?  That's a professional at work.

Look to the obvious, first.

That's what the police are doing.

Stop with your wild speculation.

https://news.sky.com/story/sasha-johnson-five-arrested-on-suspicion-of-attempted-murder-of-activist-in-south-london-12317495


Wild fantasies aside, it appears they have made some arrests. .

Original Quill wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Quill, anyone with a knowledge of London is painfully aware that gang warfare, centred primarily on drugs, is a very serious problem and that black people  are just as likely to be involved as are whites.

There are many, many recorded incidents of black on black attacks, and the fact that the overwhelming evidence in this incident points to it being the case here, with this unfortunate woman happening to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and being hit in a random shooting...

It doesn't sound very random, Fred.  And the victim is not any old “unfortunate woman”...she is a high-profile, black activist.  The perps, sneaking in through a back entrance?  That's too much planning for 'random'.  And a precise shot to the head?  That's a professional at work.

Look to the obvious, first.

Well random shooting or gang-related hit, it certainly doesn’t appear that it was a racist attack. The latest news here is that several men have been arrested and investigations are centred on attempted murder and drug dealing and supply. The police, rightly, are issuing no details such as names or ethnicity until actual charges are laid.

Drug gangs in London are not, of course, exclusively white....

The police investigations were only a few hours old before social media became awash with accusations that race was the real reason, and it would have suited the book of some of the woman’s supporters had the attackers been white Far Right extremists armed with Uzis. After all, she did have a predilection for wearing military-style uniform, including an anti-stab vest, and giving clenched fist black power salutes...and what a propaganda coup that would have been for the Black Lives Matter movement and their associated Taking the Initiative Party!

If, on the other hand, the attack is proved to be associated with a black drug gang, all it will show is that black lives don’t really matter very much to some black people, particularly where big money is concerned.

Fren M. wrote:Well random shooting or gang-related hit, it certainly doesn’t appear that it was a racist attack. The latest news here is that several men have been arrested and investigations are centred on attempted murder and drug dealing and supply. The police, rightly, are issuing no details such as names or ethnicity until actual charges are laid.

I disagree. One, it is too professional a hit to be random. Two, what other issue would provoke such a reaction...you might as well be arguing that it was a random hit by a rival knitting group.

Nothing suggests drugs. Nothing suggests random gangs. Indeed, nothing suggests anger--to the contrary, it's all too cold and detached—professional, in a word.

What stands out is her position as a leading black activist. We have seen, even here on NewsFix, that skin color excites several members to argument, quite vociferously. You might as well be arguing that Martin Luther King was killed by a drug deal gone bad.

We have one terrorist practice that Americans are all too familiar with: Lynchin'. If the KKK has been exported to the UK, sure n' it's handmaiden, lynchin', has been exported too.

I suggest what, in America, would be the obvious answer.

Original Quill wrote:

Fren M. wrote:Well random shooting or gang-related hit, it certainly doesn’t appear that it was a racist attack. The latest news here is that several men have been arrested and investigations are centred on attempted murder and drug dealing and supply. The police, rightly, are issuing no details such as names or ethnicity until actual charges are laid.

I disagree.  One, it is too professional a hit to be random.  Two, what other issue would provoke such a reaction...you might as well be arguing that it was a random hit by a rival knitting group.

Nothing suggests drugs.  Nothing suggests random gangs.  Indeed, nothing suggests anger--to the contrary, it's all too cold and detached—professional, in a word.

What stands out is her position as a leading black activist.  We have seen, even here on NewsFix, that skin color excites several members to argument, quite vociferously.  You might as well be arguing that Martin Luther King was killed by a drug deal gone bad.

We have one terrorist practice that Americans are all too familiar with: Lynchin'.  If the KKK has been exported to the UK, sure n' it's handmaiden, lynchin', has been exported too.

I suggest what, in America, would be the obvious answer.

But London isn’t the Deep South, and the last time we Brits showed a liking for lynching was back in Bloody Mary’s time - though instead of ropes dangling from trees we preferred bonfires.

Whichever of us is right will, I suspect, soon become apparent.

Jesus Quill. You're an American. You should be quite aware of innocent people, including children, being shot by random gunfire during gang warfare.

Unlike this Sasha person, the kids don't always have the choice not to hang around gang members.

Has anyone brought up the possibility that was racist aliens from another planet?

So, according to Quill, a British Chapter of the KKK disguised themselves as a specific ethnicity and did the shooting or they paid members of a specific ethnicity to shoot one of their own?
Police want information on four black males in dark clothing.

Vintage wrote:So, according to Quill, a British Chapter of the KKK disguised themselves as a specific ethnicity and did the shooting or they paid members of a specific ethnicity to shoot one of their own?
Police want information on four black males in dark clothing.

They have arrested people already.

Hopefully Quill informs the police in the UK that they have the wrong guys.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I disagree.  One, it is too professional a hit to be random.  Two, what other issue would provoke such a reaction...you might as well be arguing that it was a random hit by a rival knitting group.

Nothing suggests drugs.  Nothing suggests random gangs.  Indeed, nothing suggests anger--to the contrary, it's all too cold and detached—professional, in a word.

What stands out is her position as a leading black activist.  We have seen, even here on NewsFix, that skin color excites several members to argument, quite vociferously.  You might as well be arguing that Martin Luther King was killed by a drug deal gone bad.

We have one terrorist practice that Americans are all too familiar with: Lynchin'.  If the KKK has been exported to the UK, sure n' it's handmaiden, lynchin', has been exported too.

I suggest what, in America, would be the obvious answer.

But London isn’t the Deep South, and the last time we Brits showed a liking for lynching was back in Bloody Mary’s time - though instead of ropes dangling from trees we preferred bonfires.

Whichever of us is right will, I suspect, soon become apparent.

One of the most successful British colonies was South Africa.  You know what they represented, don't you?  The American south, South Africa, Rhodesia...do you see a pattern?

This is an era when alike factions can communicate instantly, via the Internet.  We get an idiot president; you get an idiot PM.  Things happen fast.  I don't doubt that the KKK has made inroads in the UK.  The question is, how far has it gotten?

Maddog wrote:

Vintage wrote:So, according to Quill, a British Chapter of the KKK disguised themselves as a specific ethnicity and did the shooting or they paid members of a specific ethnicity to shoot one of their own?
Police want information on four black males in dark clothing.

They have arrested people already.  

Hopefully Quill informs the police in the UK that they have the wrong guys.

Have they found a motive?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

They have arrested people already.  

Hopefully Quill informs the police in the UK that they have the wrong guys.

Have they found a motive?

Drugs and gang warfare.

Do you know how to fucking operate Google?

Original Quill wrote:

Fred Moletrousers wrote:

But London isn’t the Deep South, and the last time we Brits showed a liking for lynching was back in Bloody Mary’s time - though instead of ropes dangling from trees we preferred bonfires.

Whichever of us is right will, I suspect, soon become apparent.

One of the most successful British colonies was South Africa.  You know what they represented, don't you?  The American south, South Africa, Rhodesia...do you see a pattern?

This is an era when alike factions can communicate instantly, via the Internet.  We get an idiot president; you get an idiot PM.  Things happen fast.  I don't doubt that the KKK has made inroads in the UK.  The question is, how far has it gotten?

How do you manage to get through the average door, those chips - planks - must make it very difficult, at least you are balanced, one on each shoulder.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Have they found a motive?

Drugs and gang warfare.

Prove it.  Don't give us insinuations and whispers. Give details, and the facts on which they rely.

Can you prove your insinuations, Quill.

Vintage wrote: Can you prove your insinuations, Quill.

It's a hypothesis...as is the drugs and gangs allegation. I've given my supporting facts: the victim, the circumstances and manner of death.

Now, to your side...what drugs? What kind of drugs? In what volume? Where were/are they? How was the victim involved in drugs and gangs? What is the address of the gang? Who is their leader (or leaders)? Where are the shooters from? What is the connection of the shooters to the gang?

I've given facts, and granted neither side is conclusive. But I've heard not even supporting facts as to drugs and gangs. Only insinuation and allusions…everyone knows...etc. Until we get down to conclusive facts, we have only insinuations. But at least my insinuations are backed up by facts and circumstances.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Drugs and gang warfare.

Prove it.  Don't give us insinuations and whispers.  Give details, and the facts on which they rely.

Stop typing and read. The facts are out there and they are nothing like your fantasies, once again..

LONDON — British police said Wednesday they have arrested five people on suspicion of attempted murder over the shooting of a prominent Black Lives Matter activist.

Sasha Johnson, 27, was hospitalized in critical condition after she was shot at a house party in southeast London early Sunday.

Police and a friend have said nothing suggests that Johnson was targeted in the attack, but the Taking the Initiative Party said she had received death threats in the past related to her activism.

London's Metropolitan Police force has said Johnson was in the back garden attending the house party when four Black men entered the premises and discharged a firearm, injuring Johnson.

Police said Wednesday they detained five male suspects between the ages of 17 and 28 for other alleged offenses, including possession of drugs and weapons, before all five were arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. They remained in police custody.

The police force stressed it was not aware of "any reports of threats made against (Johnson) prior to the incident."

A friend of Johnson's told the BBC earlier this week that gang violence at the party may have led to Johnson getting shot.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Prove it.  Don't give us insinuations and whispers.  Give details, and the facts on which they rely.

Stop typing and read.  The facts are out there and they are nothing like your fantasies, once again..

Yet...you are unable to present the those facts.  

I suspect there are no facts supporting your drugs and gangs thesis.  You are hoping we will just go along with your everyone knows, it's all the talk, if so many believe it, it must be so…etc.  What you are offering is argumentum ad populum, a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many (or most) people believe it.  It must be drugs and gangs, because everyone believes it...

I grant you, you only have a southern education, but that's all the more reason you should sit down and learn.

Quill is getting more and more deranged.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Stop typing and read.  The facts are out there and they are nothing like your fantasies, once again..

Yet...you are unable to present the those facts.  

I suspect there are no facts supporting your drugs and gangs thesis.  You are hoping we will just go along with your everyone knows, it's all the talk, if so many believe it, it must be so…etc.  What you are offering is argumentum ad populum, a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition must be true because many (or most) people believe it.  It must be drugs and gangs, because everyone believes it...

I grant you, you only have a southern education, but that's all the more reason you should sit down and learn.

How about you go fuck yourself?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Quill is getting more and more deranged.

You can't even discuss events in the news with him because he makes up his own news. .

Tommy Monk wrote:

Quill is getting more and more deranged.

As is your racism, tom. You are evidence of the thesis that white supremacy has come to England (not Scotland or Ireland ).

Maddog wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:

Quill is getting more and more deranged.

You can't even discuss events in the news with him because he makes up his own news. .

Or, because I question too many things. Imagine what they must have thought when the flat-earthers were in charge.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You can't even discuss events in the news with him because he makes up his own news. .

Or, because I question too many things.  Imagine what they must have thought when the flat-earthers were in charge.  

You're a fantasist.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Or, because I question too many things.  Imagine what they must have thought when the flat-earthers were in charge.  

You're a fantasist.

Nevertheless, look how frequently you have no answer.  The degree to which you must resort to argument ad hominem is the degree of your frustration, and hence failure.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You're a fantasist.

Nevertheless, look how frequently you have no answer.  The degree to which you must resort to argument ad hominem is the degree of your frustration, and hence failure.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

I don't need to answer. Posters on here get the respect they deserve. I'll engage everyone else with civility. You will get the same when I feel like it.

Fallacies like ad hominems don't really apply to my discussions with you. I'm not frustrated with you, I have contempt for you. I don't value your opinion enough to be frustrated by it.

If you fabricate, lie and fantasize, I'd be a damn fool to engage with you seriously.

I'm not a damn fool.

Any questions?

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Nevertheless, look how frequently you have no answer.  The degree to which you must resort to argument ad hominem is the degree of your frustration, and hence failure.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

I don't need to answer.  Posters on here get the respect they deserve.  I'll engage everyone else with civility. You will get the same when I feel like it.

Fallacies like ad hominems don't really apply to my discussions with you. I'm not  frustrated with you, I have contempt for you. I don't value your opinion enough to be frustrated by it.  

If you fabricate, lie and fantasize, I'd be a damn fool to engage with you seriously.

I'm not a damn fool.  

Any questions?

You sound defensive. What are you afraid of?

Fallacies don't apply to you??? So, in other words, you don't wish to make sense? Attacking universal logic is not going to get you anywhere.

Let's unravel your defensiveness:

The key to determining a fallacious argument is to ask if the subject has changed. Look how you change the focus of your argument from the abstract topic, to your interlocutor or proponent (ie, me). That is classic ad-hominem argument.

You are struggling to find some sort of legitimacy to your position, and you find it, not in the subject, but in attacking your opposite number: If you can demean the messenger, others won’t notice that you have missed the message. Your attempt is diversion, not contention.

This means, unlike your disavowals, you care very much what others think. You are trying to cleave out a special language, and plead to others that you must speak-in-tongue to this special messenger. But, really, all the others see is, you're not making sense!

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

I don't need to answer.  Posters on here get the respect they deserve.  I'll engage everyone else with civility. You will get the same when I feel like it.

Fallacies like ad hominems don't really apply to my discussions with you. I'm not  frustrated with you, I have contempt for you. I don't value your opinion enough to be frustrated by it.  

If you fabricate, lie and fantasize, I'd be a damn fool to engage with you seriously.

I'm not a damn fool.  

Any questions?

You sound defensive.  What are you afraid of?

Fallacies don't apply to you???  So, in other words, you don't wish to make sense?  Attacking universal logic is not going to get you anywhere.

Let's unravel your defensiveness:

The key to determining a fallacious argument is to ask if the subject has changed.  Look how you change the focus of your argument from the abstract topic, to your interlocutor or proponent (ie, me).  That is classic ad-hominem argument.

You are struggling to find some sort of legitimacy to your position, and you find it, not in the subject, but in attacking your opposite number: If you can demean the messenger, others won’t notice that you have missed the message.  Your attempt is diversion, not contention.

This means, unlike your disavowals, you care very much what others think.  You are trying to cleave out a special language, and plead to others that you must speak-in-tongue to this special messenger.  But, really, all the others see is, you're not making sense!  

Fallacies don't apply to my interactions with you.

You seem to need something from me you can't get.

Maybe someone else wants to play your games.

I don't, and wont.

If you were black, would you kill a black civil rights activist for money paid by white supremacists?

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:You do know she was shot by 4 black men don't you?

Well, not by all 4 of them, but they were the people that were doing the shooting and stabbing.  

So?  Obtaining hitmen of a certain race shows that even more strategic forethought went into this than a random gang shoot.

Kinda took the wind out of your sails / narrative when you realised the shooters were black, huh?