Pasquotank County, NC--the south kills another black man

by Original Quill Sat Apr 24, 2021 6:38 pm

Not far south from Windsor, VA, another southern cop shoots an unarmed black man...this time in the back. The sheriff refuses to release the body camera view, which tells you all you want to know about what's on it. Three of the nine deputies present have resigned, the rest are on paid vacation.

TWP wrote:After police kill a Black man in North Carolina, a community calls for authorities to release the body-cam footage

By
Timothy Bella

April 23, 2021 at 2:58 p.m. PDT

A Black man was fatally shot by a sheriff’s deputy in Elizabeth City, N.C., as police were attempting to arrest him Wednesday, authorities said, sparking more protests as a community is demanding answers on a police death with few details.

Seven deputies at the scene, who have yet to be named, have since been placed on administrative leave. On Friday, three other deputies resigned, according to the local television station CBS17.

The Pasquotank County Sheriff’s Office is being pressed to release the body-cam footage of the police encounter that killed Andrew Brown Jr., 42, after declining to share much information about the events that resulted in the shooting. Harry Daniels, an attorney for the victim’s family, told The Washington Post that Brown — whose death triggered peaceful demonstrations of hundreds over two nights — was unarmed at the time of shooting.

“From what we have gathered and learned, it was a very disturbing, unjustified shooting,” Daniels said.

Pasquotank County Sheriff Tommy Wooten said in a video statement that the deputy fired at Brown when he started to flee as authorities tried to serve him a search warrant and an arrest warrant on felony drug charges.

“What I will say is that if evidence shows that any of my deputies violate the law or policies, they will be held accountable,” Wooten said.

The North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation is investigating the details surrounding Brown’s death. Pasquotank County District Attorney Andrew Womble emphasized the investigation would provide “accurate answers and not fast answers.”

Representatives with the sheriff’s office did not immediately return a request for comment Friday.

The shooting in Elizabeth City came at a critical moment for policing in America: one day after Derek Chauvin was convicted of murder in the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis and 16-year-old Ma’Khia Bryant was fatally shot during an altercation in Columbus, Ohio. In North Carolina, police are under additional scrutiny after a Black librarian on Wednesday filed a federal lawsuit against law enforcement in the city of Salisbury accusing officers of pulling her by her hair and tearing her shoulder during a 2019 traffic stop.

At around 8:30 a.m. Wednesday, the sheriff’s office said, deputies arrived at the 400 block of Perry Street to execute an arrest warrant for Brown in Elizabeth City, located about 45 miles south of Norfolk. Pasquotank County Sheriff’s Chief Deputy Daniel Fogg said in a video statement that Brown was “a felon with a history of resisting arrest,” but he did not release additional details. Court records show Brown had been previously convicted of misdemeanor drug possession and had pending drug charges.

“Our training and our policies indicate under such circumstances there is a high risk of danger,” Fogg said in the recorded statement.

Those who watched the encounter told local media that Brown got into his car and started to drive away from law enforcement. That’s when, neighbors say, the sheriff’s deputies started shooting at Brown, firing off six to eight shots. The News & Observer said that one neighbor said she found 14 shell casings. Daniels told The Post that it remained unclear whether Brown was shot at from outside his car. He added that all three deputies fired their guns.

Police have yet to release any information about whether Brown was unarmed.

Neighbor Demetria Williams recounted to the Associated Press that Brown’s car skidded from his yard and hit a tree. She told WITN that the deputies tried to resuscitate Brown after the shooting but that it was too late.

“When they opened the door, he was slumped over already,” Williams said, adding that Brown “wasn’t a threat.”

“I knew he was gone,” Williams said.

When authorities removed Brown’s vehicle, the car was riddled with multiple bullet holes and had a broken rear windshield, AP reported.

Jean Ferebee, a neighbor who identified herself as a longtime friend of Brown’s, said to WITN that her son woke up Wednesday morning “with fear in his face” because of the shooting.

“Where is the justification?” Ferebee said. “Nothing is being justified to these people. Nothing is being justified.”

The shooting drew immediate calls from local officials and residents for law enforcement to release more information on the case, as well as the body-cam footage. The NAACP of North Carolina on Thursday demanded “a thorough investigation of the Sheriff’s Department.” At a city council meeting Wednesday, Councilor Gabriel Adkins said the city of almost 18,000 had boarded up storefronts and feared additional incidents because of the shooting and the police response to it.

“People are scared,” Adkins said.

The push to release the body-cam footage of the incident this week has shed light on the difficulties of releasing such video in North Carolina. According to state law, North Carolina authorities are required to release body-cam footage only if there’s a court order. Daniels said that a motion would be filed Friday for the release of the video.

Carolina Public Press is coordinating with several other news organizations to request the video from a superior court judge. Mike Tadych, an attorney with the coalition of newsrooms filing the motion, told The Post that a hearing for release of the video could come as early as next week. A similar journalism coalition was successful in obtaining the body-cam and security footage from the 2019 death of John Neville at Forsyth County Detention Center in North Carolina.

In a joint statement Thursday evening, Womble and Pasquotank County Attorney R. Michael Cox said they were working to arrange “a private viewing” of the video for Brown’s family. But Daniels argued that the sheriff’s office needed to release the video before the demonstrations potentially escalate as public frustration mounts.

On Friday afternoon, the City Council voted unanimously petition the county sheriff to release the body camera video.

“The sheriff’s office needs to understand that the spotlight is going to grow and it’s not going anywhere anytime soon,” Daniels said.

As peaceful protests unfolded Thursday evening on the streets of Elizabeth City, demonstrators demanded answers from the sheriff’s office, chanting “Where’s Wooten?” and “What’s his name? Andrew Brown!” They held up signs that read, “Justice for Andrew Brown.”

Brown’s family members remembered him for his smile and “great heart.” Glenda Brown Thomas, his aunt, told the AP that Brown lived a hard life — he was partially paralyzed because of an accidental shooting and had lost an eye from a stabbing. Despite his troubles, Thomas said Brown encouraged his kids to do well in school, even though he had dropped out. She noted to the outlet that despite his previous record, he found ways to financially support his family, including through card games and shooting pool.

“He was kind of like a comedian,” she said of the nephew she called “Drew.” “He always had a nice joke.”

Lydia Brown, Andrew’s grandmother, said she didn’t find out about his death until she saw it on television. The 92-year-old noted to the News & Observer that her grandson was “a good person,” a father of 10 who was getting his life in order by having his own house — a condition required for getting custody of his children.

“I just worry about this. Why did it have to be a gun involved for a warrant? He didn’t do anything so bad,” she said. “They shot my grandson like he was a bear.”

by Ben Reilly Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:17 pm

Dude, do you simply ignore every incident of white vs. black racism that doesn't occur in the American South?

You forget that George Floyd was murdered in Minneapolis?

You know what? It's beyond boring at this point.

by eddie Sat Apr 24, 2021 10:34 pm

Quill.
Whilst these issues need to be addressed, I don’t understand why you’re not enraged or even interested, in cops killing ALL people unjustly.

I could understand your rage if you posted up stories about cops unjustly killing innocent citizens, whatever their colour, but you only seem to care about the innocent black victims.

What’s that all about?

by Original Quill Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:18 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Dude, do you simply ignore every incident of white vs. black racism that doesn't occur in the American South?

You forget that George Floyd was murdered in Minneapolis?

You know what? It's beyond boring at this point.

1. It happens 10 times as much in the south, as anywhere else.

2. Most cops are drawn from the military, which disproportionately draws military police from the south.

3. How many Minnesota stories do you hear, compared to southern stories?

4. African Americans are arrested and roughed up by cops at wildly disproportionate rates, relative to both their overall share of the population and the percentage of crimes they commit.

5. Something about the way police relate to the communities they’re tasked with protecting has gone wrong. It is grossly exacerbated when it's white authority on black victims, and that is mostly in the south.

6. Minnesota is but one state. You can't generalize from specifics. I watch the south because: (a) they are racist; (b) they are much more prone to be violent; and (c) they are less rational, and tend toward violent temper-tantrums like the cop in Windsor, VA.

I agree that Minnesota has a problem, and the Brooklyn Circle incident proves it. But other than that, it's all Virginia, North and South Carolina, big time in Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana, and because of size, you have to include Texas...although west Texas is much less racist, it's still mucho angry.

Dude, the rest of us don't act that way. There's a southern ideology, that the rest of us don't embrace. The south has always had an insular attitude, only now the world is getting smaller...and they are getting caught more.

It has always been that way. We are not one big country...we are two countries, and mark my word, the cleavage hasn't changed in 400-years. That's why I see only one way out. Amexit.

by Original Quill Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:43 pm

eddie wrote:Quill.
Whilst these issues need to be addressed, I don’t understand why you’re not enraged or even interested, in cops killing ALL people unjustly.

I could understand your rage if you posted up stories about cops unjustly killing innocent citizens, whatever their colour, but you only seem to care about the innocent black victims.

What’s that all about?

Um...read my post to Ben.

Protection for blacks didn't start with me. The differentiation, or otherism, really started with slavery, and treating human beings as chattel. Then came abolitionists, who couldn't stomach the duplicity of a southerner, Thomas Jefferson, who wrote "...all men are created equal," then went home to a farm with 600-slaves.

We are the rest of the entire country. We are not protecting anyone, but protecting those people--blacks, Asians, whatever--who are still being picked on by anyone who calls themselves Americans. We believe in equal justice, what's wrong with that?

White supremacy started 400-years ago; do you think it's changed?? Nonsense. A group of northerners started pushing back, and we had a civil war. When we won, the south just went underground...Jim Crow, separate but equal, segregation, and black lives don't matter. It's all just the same.

You want it to end? Get southerners to stop lynching blacks; I guarantee you, if you accomplish that you will stop the noise. Then we can get to work on the rest of it.

by eddie Sat Apr 24, 2021 11:58 pm

Okay let me rephrase.

1: Do you care about all unlawful cop killings?

2: Do you only care about unlawful cop killings against black people?

1 or 2?

by Ben Reilly Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:05 am

Really, other than Minneapolis it was all in the South? Bullshit. Eric Garner was killed by a police officer in New York City. Rodney King was beaten by police in Los Angeles.

California has more white supremacist groups than any other state.

You pay attention to incidents like this in the South because you're suffering from confirmation bias -- you ignore evidence that racism isn't confined to one region of America, and pay attention to evidenice that confirms your theory that it's all a Southern problem.

Your dedication/fascination/obsession has caused many people here who actually agree that racism is wrong to ignore you. So who are you helping, at this point?

You're branding Southern white people as racist and insisting that branding people is wrong and leads to racism and violence.

And that's why a lot of people on this forum treat you like a joke. Be fair, don't generalize, and maybe more people will pay attention to what you have to say.

Or carry on with this simplistic theory that all the racism problems in America are caused by white Southerners, and people will keep ignoring you or ridiculing you.

by eddie Sun Apr 25, 2021 12:31 am

by Original Quill Sun Apr 25, 2021 4:55 pm

eddie wrote:Okay let me rephrase.

1: Do you care about all unlawful cop killings?

2: Do you only care about unlawful cop killings against black people?

1 or 2?

Classic reframing of the question. It was taught to RW'ers by Lee Atwater:

Lee Atwater wrote:"You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff."

You reframe by putting the subject in a different picture. Eds, you don't like pointing out that blacks are being killed by policemen in far greater numbers than whites, so you give it another setting: How about all men?

Well, of course. Forget about the many more black men being slaughtered, and talk instead about ALL men. Don't we believe all men are created equal! Let's reduce facts to platitudes, and harp on equal justice for all. LET'S CHANGE THE SUBJECT!

Only, like Lee Atwater, your forgetting (deliberately??) about the black men who are being lynched by white police in America. There's no problem with "all" men. The problem is with black men being lynched by white police.

Avoid and dodge: Don't look over here; look over there.

by Maddog Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:32 pm

He has mental issues.

I've pretty much disengaged from him.

Too many decent people to speak with.

by Maddog Sun Apr 25, 2021 5:33 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Really, other than Minneapolis it was all in the South? Bullshit. Eric Garner was killed by a police officer in New York City. Rodney King was beaten by police in Los Angeles.

California has more white supremacist groups than any other state.

You pay attention to incidents like this in the South because you're suffering from confirmation bias -- you ignore evidence that racism isn't confined to one region of America, and pay attention to evidenice that confirms your theory that it's all a Southern problem.

Your dedication/fascination/obsession has caused many people here who actually agree that racism is wrong to ignore you. So who are you helping, at this point?

You're branding Southern white people as racist and insisting that branding people is wrong and leads to racism and violence.

And that's why a lot of people on this forum treat you like a joke. Be fair, don't generalize, and maybe more people will pay attention to what you have to say.

Or carry on with this simplistic theory that all the racism problems in America are caused by white Southerners, and people will keep ignoring you or ridiculing you.

Preach!

by Original Quill Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:51 pm

Ben wrote:Really, other than Minneapolis it was all in the South? Bullshit. Eric Garner was killed by a police officer in New York City. Rodney King was beaten by police in Los Angeles.

You can't generalize from specifics. You have to deal with proportionalities.

The blacks lynched post-civil war accounted for 72.7% of the total people lynched. It is known that not all of the lynching’s were ever recorded. The KKK played a large part in lynching’s. Most of the lynching’s that took place happened in the South. A big reason for this was the end of the Civil War. Once black were given their freedom, many people felt that the freed blacks were getting away with too much freedom and felt they needed to be controlled. Mississippi had the highest lynchings from 1882-1968 with 581. Georgia was second with 531, and Texas was third with 493. 79% of lynching happened in the South. https://www.naacp.org/history-of-lynchings/

Minnesota and California were not slave states, and the south--from Virginia to El Paso--were slave states. The south was badly beaten by the north in the civil war, and Reconstruction was interrupted by Lincoln's assassination. The major impetus for hatred of blacks (racism) comes from the south. And that’s where you see an overwhelming amount of these things happening.

Viruses spread, however, and like viruses, racism spreads. In particular, the mass migration out of the south has accounted for some major shifting of racism. While Minnesota and California are profoundly anti-racist, we still have to account for strong racists streaks in Ohio, western Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Missouri…etc.

Yes, California has some strongly racist views, particularly in the eastern part of the state, where the southerners landed during migrations. As the largest population of any state in the US—40-million people—California has had its proportionate influx of southerners. But that’s the very reason you have to deal with proportions, and not raw numbers. California is also the most liberal state, save perhaps some New England states.

Ben, you can’t cherry-pick incidents and suggest that California or Minnesota are as racist as the south. For that matter, viewed proportionately, no state is as racist as the present day south.

But that doesn’t mean it isn’t spreading. Yes, racist incidents do occur outside the south, but those are predominately southerners who have migrated to other states, but still hold their racist sentiments. I’ve often said, as you are inferring, that the whole of the US is a racist nation. But all of that is the southern culture radiating out from the original Confederate States of America.

You know the cure.

by Original Quill Tue Apr 27, 2021 5:27 pm

Pasquotank County, North Carolina, refused to release the body camera footage of the police while they were murdering Mr. Brown, indirectly confirming what we all knew. It was another police lynching of an unarmed black man.

In an attempt to assuage public opinion, Pasquotank County released 20-seconds of the footage for public viewing, with crucial parts blurred. C’mon man! We’ve already seen through your hide-n-seek game. So, you can doctor a film clip…so what? We already know your racist intentions by the geography of your state.

Minnesota openly showed us what they are made of with the Chauvin trial. Now a southern state is showing what they are made of with their anger, a black lynching, and its cover-up.

Amexit. Twisted Evil

by Maddog Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:36 pm

For anyone still following this, the state of North Carolina requires a judge to release the footage to the public.

A court date has been set.

by Original Quill Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:26 pm

Maddog wrote:For anyone still following this, the state of North Carolina requires a judge to release the footage to the public.

A court date has been set.

Of course. Just because a southern state legislature made it more difficult for the truth to reach public eyes & ears, doesn't mean that it isn’t racism. Southern states made it illegal for the public to see body-cam recordings precisely because they didn't want the public to see how racist their cops are. Ole Jim Crow knows how to sneak around a full disclosure. Twisted Evil

Remember, democracy and free speech work together--right to speech, and right for people to hear and decide. There are lots of things that racists don't want the public to know, and truth requires a lot of vigilance. Whenever you see not for public disclosure, you just know it’s because someone in power doesn't want the public to know some inconvenient truth. Wink

by Maddog Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:29 pm

Maddog wrote:A court date has been set.

We will all see it in a few days.

by Original Quill Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:41 pm

Maddog wrote:
Maddog wrote:A court date has been set.

We will all see it in a few days.

We already know what we need to know. Driver stopped, hands visible on steering wheel, black man, no gun present, shot in the back.

The recording will reveal how the cops were discussing how to kill the nig..ah moutherf..ker, or something really incriminating along those lines. It’s relevant because it will show malice aforethought.

by Maddog Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:59 pm

No need to release it then I guess. We know what happened. Rolling Eyes

by Original Quill Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:36 am

Maddog wrote:No need to release it then I guess. We know what happened.

I said, and I quote: "It’s relevant because it will show malice aforethought." That is the difference between 2nd-degree murder and 1st-degree murder.

Isn't it interesting how quickly you want to run away from it? I would speculate that North Carolina, being used to prosecuting black men only, still has the death penalty on the books. If the remaining video has incriminating evidence on it going to the cops--evidence that could lead to a death penalty--could the County officials be charged with obstruction of justice for their reluctance to disclose?

The law that you mentioned, above, in fact does not require a court order if the County law enforcement agency decides to give up the information voluntarily. So, this begs the question: why is the Sheriff's Office falsely hiding behind the judicial branch, when they could easily release the footage themselves?

Anyhow, it looks like the Feds may step in and start a prosecution of their own. A federal subpoena, from a US Federal District Court, will stop all the shenanigans and deliver the footage. Then, watch ‘em Jim Crow chickens dance.

by Maddog Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:57 am

I would like to see the video. Well before the end of the trial too, unlike in the Daniel Shaver case.

And in case I haven't told you lately. Go fuck yourself.

by Original Quill Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:24 pm

Maddog wrote:And in case I haven't told you lately. Go fuck yourself.

You seem angry...typical southern response. Keep the gun oiled, cause you never know when you're going to need it: Bypass reason >> go directly to lack of impulse control.

Yes, there is clearly something about the murder of Andrew Brown the Sherriff's office is keeping from public. Their maneuvers are now so inordinate that it leaves one with a simple question: wtf?

They could have thought this through better, but rational thought is not the south’s style. If things don’t go their way, there’s always anger and killing.

So much so that the next civil war is imminent. Southern terrorism has become Republican terrorism, as the terrorists seek to pull down our public buildings. I continue in my campaign to make southern separation a peaceful divorce. But it’s coming, one way or t’other.

cheers

Amexit.

by Maddog Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:33 pm

Angry?

Hahahahaha.

Dude, I'm laughing when I tell people like you to fuck off.

I might be crazy, but I'm damn sure not angry.

by Original Quill Wed Apr 28, 2021 5:24 pm

Maddog wrote:Angry?

Hahahahaha.

Dude, I'm laughing when I tell people like you to fuck off.

I might be crazy, but I'm damn sure not angry.

It's a nervous laughter, I can tell. Your blood goes to your head. What reason there is, shuts down. You're on anger's edge. Wink

by Maddog Wed Apr 28, 2021 7:21 pm

Restore justice to our justice system:

End qualified immunity.
End civil asset forfeiture.
End the drug war.
End victimless crimes.
End overcriminalization.
End no-knock warrants.
End militarization of police.
End mandatory minimums.
End the death penalty.

by eddie Fri Apr 30, 2021 8:33 pm

eddie wrote:Okay let me rephrase.

1: Do you care about all unlawful cop killings?

2: Do you only care about unlawful cop killings against black people?

1 or 2?

My answer is number one, which doesn’t mean I don’t care about number two.
See how easy it is to answer directly?

by Original Quill Sat May 01, 2021 1:58 am

eddie wrote:
eddie wrote:Okay let me rephrase.

1: Do you care about all unlawful cop killings?

2: Do you only care about unlawful cop killings against black people?

1 or 2?

My answer is number one, which doesn’t mean I don’t care about number two.
See how easy it is to answer directly?

You are drinking the Kool-Aid. There isn't a problem with "all unlawful cop killings". There is a problem with "cop killings [of] black people." So, you are simply trying to minimalize the problem by saying: Look over there, don't look over here.

See...I told you were a radical RW'er. Wink

by eddie Sat May 01, 2021 10:37 am

Quill, no one goes on more about their hatred of the south and their belief that Eastern European’s are child traffickers, than you.

To be honest, you are starting to sound like a rampant RW’er!
You spew so much hatred against certain groups of people - “look over there, don’t look over here” - I now realise why you say that!!

We are looking at you Quill...and it’s turning uglier by the day.

by Ben Reilly Sat May 01, 2021 10:37 am

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:
eddie wrote:Okay let me rephrase.

1: Do you care about all unlawful cop killings?

2: Do you only care about unlawful cop killings against black people?

1 or 2?

My answer is number one, which doesn’t mean I don’t care about number two.
See how easy it is to answer directly?

You are drinking the Kool-Aid. There isn't a problem with "all unlawful cop killings". There is a problem with "cop killings [of] black people." So, you are simply trying to minimalize the problem by saying: Look over there, don't look over here.

See...I told you were a radical RW'er.

I redded you, for one of the dumbest, most insane blatherings ever to appear on Newsfix - hell, the whole Internet.

by Original Quill Sat May 01, 2021 4:01 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

You are drinking the Kool-Aid. There isn't a problem with "all unlawful cop killings". There is a problem with "cop killings [of] black people." So, you are simply trying to minimalize the problem by saying: Look over there, don't look over here.

See...I told you were a radical RW'er.

I redded you, for one of the dumbest, most insane blatherings ever to appear on Newsfix - hell, the whole Internet.

You had to, it's your wife. But I don't mind, and I understand...

Look, BLM was started to treat a very specific problem: over-killing of black men by police in America. The RW retorts all men matter, which combats the message by reframing the issue to be: killing of all men by police in America. This lowers the ratio and makes the issue seem trivial. Thus, it takes attention away from the specific problem: over-killing of black men by police in America.

But we've still got killing incidents like George Floyd and Andrew Brown tearing America apart. The problem doesn't go away just because the RW redefines the issue. If you don’t see beneath that maneuver, Ben, you’ve gone completely over to the radical right.

Actually, if I were more cynical and tactical, I would cheer this. In the long run, hiding away problems will bring about bigger, more explosive tragedies, which eventually will lead to what I'm saying is the only answer: Amexit.

But I want it done peacefully, without war or violence like the last time.

by eddie Sat May 01, 2021 8:32 pm

Funny though, that I scored far further left than Wolf, twice, in an online politics questionnaire.

Yet still, I wouldn’t label myself left. Or right. I like being where I sit.

In the Sensible Seat.

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