Bill to ban FGM blocked in Wyoming by radical trans activists

A Wyoming bill that would have banned Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) was defeated by fierce opposition from trans activists, on the grounds that it would outlaw genital surgery on minors for the purposes of so-called "gender reassignment."

House Bill 127 – Prohibition of female genital mutilation was brought by conservative Representative Dan Laursen. It attempted to criminalize the cultural practice of FGM, which affects some refugees and immigrants from Africa and the Middle East imported to the United States, as aggravated assault and battery.

The bill defined FGM as the partial or complete removal of the clitoris, sewing the vaginal opening to be permanently closed, and other harmful procedures. According to the World Health Organization, over 200 million women globally have been made to suffer from this human rights violation.

In addition to the criminal provisions, the bill would have allowed victims to bring civil claims against their mutilators for years after the commission of the crime. It would also have instigated a state-wide education campaign. All of these are now shelved indefinitely, leaving an estimated 400-600 girls in Wyoming unprotected by law, and without a remedy.


thepostmillennial.com/bill-to-ban-fgm-blocked-in-wyoming-by-radical-trans-activists

Not only is this a smack in the face to victims of FGM

You have people actually advocating to allow irreversible surgery on children with gender dysphoria

That is child abuse

Its why its illegal in the Uk

W/b didge. Gd to see ya.

I would support the prohibition, for male as well as female. It is always and only for religious or (as with Elon Musk's son's face tattoo) for cosmetic purposes.

If nature wanted improvement, she would have done it herself. Who are we, in the name of some bearded dude who lives in the sky, to change perfection?

Original Quill wrote:W/b didge.  Gd to see ya.

I would support the prohibition, for male as well as female.  It is always and only for religious or (as with Elon Musk's son's face tattoo) for cosmetic purposes.

If nature wanted improvement, she would have done it herself.  Who are we, in the name of some bearded dude who lives in the sky, to change perfection?

Thanks

Agreed.

Only as adults, should people decided on non emergency surgical changes to their bodies

Unbelievable that this barbaric practice is still legal in a so called civilised country.

Didgee wrote:A Wyoming bill that would have banned Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) was defeated by fierce opposition from trans activists, on the grounds that it would outlaw genital surgery on minors for the purposes of so-called "gender reassignment."

House Bill 127 – Prohibition of female genital mutilation was brought by conservative Representative Dan Laursen. It attempted to criminalize the cultural practice of FGM, which affects some refugees and immigrants from Africa and the Middle East imported to the United States, as aggravated assault and battery.

The bill defined FGM as the partial or complete removal of the clitoris, sewing the vaginal opening to be permanently closed, and other harmful procedures. According to the World Health Organization, over 200 million women globally have been made to suffer from this human rights violation.

In addition to the criminal provisions, the bill would have allowed victims to bring civil claims against their mutilators for years after the commission of the crime. It would also have instigated a state-wide education campaign. All of these are now shelved indefinitely, leaving an estimated 400-600 girls in Wyoming unprotected by law, and without a remedy.


thepostmillennial.com/bill-to-ban-fgm-blocked-in-wyoming-by-radical-trans-activists

Not only is this a smack in the face to victims of FGM

You have people actually advocating to allow irreversible surgery on children with gender dysphoria

That is child abuse

Its why its illegal in the Uk

it is vhild abuse and shoulb be banned everywhere in the world, I fear they have found a way round it being illegal in the uk

inmyopinion wrote:it is vhild abuse and shoulb be banned everywhere in the world, I fear they have found a way round it being illegal in the uk

Genital mutilation is prevalent in the US with males, however FMG is unlawful under federal law. 18 U.S. Code § 116. Attempts to make MGM unlawful in lower civic entities have been usurped by state laws making such laws, themselves, unlawful.

It's all according to what is your druthers. A most powerful Jewish, and now a Muslim lobby prevents male genital abuse from being made unlawful.

Male genital circumcision was made popular in the Victorian era by a wacko naturopath, Dr. John Kellogg, who wanted to end the "evils of masturbation." Kellogg's goofy life is chronicled in a 1994 comedy-drama film, based on a book by the same name, titled The Road to Wellville.

With a generation of males with no tips to their penises, and a lot of embarrassed men, the practice got handed from father to son. A new rationale became de rigueur as WWII approached, and it was briefly justified for reasons of hygiene. A massive study by the US Navy during WWII, debunked the hygiene justification, and revealed that the practice is perpetuated by embarrassed fathers, insisting their sons be chopped too to look the same as them.

The practice in the US has dwindled from over 90% in the 1950's, to less than 40% today, as women become more assertive in the raising of their sons and the data show no benefit.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a22094429/why-fewer-guys-are-getting-circumcised/

Routine male circumcism may not be necesary in this day and age, but sometimes there are medical reasons why it may be carried out.
There are NO medical  benefits in carrying out FGM,  it's just an excuse to butcher a young girls genitals to deny her lifelong  sexual pleasure,  which can often cause  her lifelong pain and difficulty in giving birth.

"There are 4 main types of FGM:

• type 1 (clitoridectomy) – removing part or all of the clitoris
  
  
• type 2 (excision) – removing part or all of the clitoris and the inner labia (the lips that surround the vagina), with or without removal of the labia majora (the larger outer lips)
  
  
• type 3 (infibulation) – narrowing the vaginal opening by creating a seal, formed by cutting and repositioning the labia
  
  
• other harmful procedures to the female genitals, including pricking, piercing, cutting, scraping or burning the area"
  
  
• 
  
  
  There are no health benefits to FGM and it can cause serious harm, including:
  
  
  
  • constant pain
    
    
  • pain and difficulty having sex
    
    
  • repeated infections, which can lead to infertility
    
    
  • bleeding, cysts and abscesses
    
    
  • problems peeing or holding pee in (incontinence)
    
    
  • depression, flashbacks and self-harm
    
    
  • problems during labour and childbirth, which can be life threatening for mother and baby
    
    
  
  Some girls die from blood loss or infection as a direct result of the procedure."
  

Syl wrote:Routine male circumcism may not be necesary in this day and age, but sometimes there are medical reasons why it may be carried out.

The problem of FGM is not a problem in modern western nations. It is illegal, and there are serious penalties for practicing it.

More difficult is the issue of male genital mutilation. For there are exceptions and issues that complicate it. Most particularly, the certain religions that call for it.

The US Navy put to rest any valid reason for male genital mutilation. It exists lawfully because one major religion calls for it, and no entity is strong enough to oppose it. We know how powerful lobbies are, and if you don't, just ask around about the NRA.

As of 2019, that's two years after the figures quoted below were compiled, only ONE person has been prosecuted and found guilty of FGM in the UK.

"NHS Digital must be quoted as the source of these figures"

* Regional figures are available

"04 July 2017: There were 5,391 newly recorded2 cases of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) reported in England during 2016-17, according to the second publication of annual statistics from this data set.
The FGM statistics3, published today by NHS Digital1, also showed that there were 9,179 total attendances4 in the same period where FGM was identified or a medical procedure for FGM was undertaken.
Women and girls born in Somalia account for more than one third (35 per cent or 875 cases) of newly recorded cases of FGM with a known country of birth (2,504). Of the newly recorded cases, 112 involved women and girls who were born in the United Kingdom.
In 57 cases, the FGM was known to have been undertaken in the UK. Where the nature of the UK procedures was known, around 50 were genital piercings5 (FGM Type 46 - piercing).
The 5 to 9 year old age group was the most common age range at which FGM was undertaken. This equates to 44 per cent (739) of the total number of cases from any country, where the age at the time of undertaking was known (1,673).
Female Genital Mutilation Enhanced Dataset, April 2016 to March 2017, experimental statistics includes information gathered from acute trusts, mental health trusts and GP practices."

https://digital.nhs.uk/news-and-events/news-archive/2017-news-archive/annual-statistical-publication-for-fgm-shows-5-391-newly-recorded-cases-during-2016-17

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/female-genital-mutilation/january-to-march-2019

Syl wrote:As of 2019, that's two years after the figures quoted below were compiled, only ONE person has been prosecuted and found guilty of FGM in the UK.

"NHS Digital must be quoted as the source of these figures"

* Regional figures are available

"04 July 2017: There were 5,391 newly recorded2 cases of Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) reported in England during 2016-17, according to the second publication of annual statistics from this data set.
The FGM statistics3, published today by NHS Digital1, also showed that there were 9,179 total attendances4 in the same period where FGM was identified or a medical procedure for FGM was undertaken.
Women and girls born in Somalia account for more than one third (35 per cent or 875 cases) of newly recorded cases of FGM with a known country of birth (2,504). Of the newly recorded cases, 112 involved women and girls who were born in the United Kingdom.
In 57 cases, the FGM was known to have been undertaken in the UK. Where the nature of the UK procedures was known, around 50 were genital piercings5 (FGM Type 46 - piercing).
The 5 to 9 year old age group was the most common age range at which FGM was undertaken. This equates to 44 per cent (739) of the total number of cases from any country, where the age at the time of undertaking was known (1,673).
Female Genital Mutilation Enhanced Dataset, April 2016 to March 2017, experimental statistics includes information gathered from acute trusts, mental health trusts and GP practices."

https://digital.nhs.uk/news-and-events/news-archive/2017-news-archive/annual-statistical-publication-for-fgm-shows-5-391-newly-recorded-cases-during-2016-17

https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/female-genital-mutilation/january-to-march-2019

Nevertheless, it's illegal. Your angst is not with the law, but with law enforcement.

Compare that with MGM, where in many states in the US it's illegal to make it illegal. Now that’s a hurdle few causes have to climb.

No, my angst is with FGM.

You are right in that it seems, going by the official figures it is a law here that isn't upheld.
Which makes it on a par with the law in Wyoming and other states that refuses to make it illegal.

Whether it's legal or illegal, it happens, that's the shame of it.

Syl wrote:No, my angst is with FGM.

You are right in that it seems, going  by the official figures it is a law here that isn't upheld.
Which makes it on a par with the law in Wyoming and other states that refuses to make it illegal.

Whether it's legal or illegal, it happens, that's the shame of it.

To be sure. I'm just pointing out that opposing MGM is a much steeper hill to climb. But both are brutal, heathen practices. Literally, they are child abuse.

We will come to our senses one day, just as we did with LDS practices of marrying under aged girls--supposedly because god mandated that productive girls be put to use producing good Mormons. My experience is that they are still doing it, albeit illegally.

So much to do; so little time in which to do it.

Original Quill wrote:

inmyopinion wrote:it is vhild abuse and shoulb be banned everywhere in the world, I fear they have found a way round it being illegal in the uk

Genital mutilation is prevalent in the US with males, however FMG is unlawful under federal law.  18 U.S. Code § 116.  Attempts to make MGM unlawful in lower civic entities have been usurped by state laws making such laws, themselves, unlawful.

It's all according to what is your druthers.  A most powerful Jewish, and now a Muslim lobby prevents male genital abuse from being made unlawful.

Male genital circumcision was made popular in the Victorian era by a wacko naturopath, Dr. John Kellogg, who wanted to end the "evils of masturbation."  Kellogg's goofy life is chronicled in a 1994 comedy-drama film, based on a book by the same name, titled The Road to Wellville.

With a generation of males with no tips to their penises, and a lot of embarrassed men, the practice got handed from father to son.  A new rationale became de rigueur as WWII approached, and it was briefly justified for reasons of hygiene.  A massive study by the US Navy during WWII, debunked the hygiene justification, and revealed that the practice is perpetuated by embarrassed fathers, insisting their sons be chopped too to look the same as them.

The practice in the US has dwindled from over 90% in the 1950's, to less than 40% today, as women become more assertive in the raising of their sons and the data show no benefit.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a22094429/why-fewer-guys-are-getting-circumcised/

same old deflecting argument.
female genital mutilation is quite different to circumcision, everyone knows it other than those who want to make an excuse for those who ritually abuse girls..

Welcome back IMO! Good to see you.

inmyopinion wrote:same old deflecting argument.
female genital mutilation is quite different to circumcision, everyone knows it other than those who want to make an excuse for those who ritually abuse girls..

Only in the precise homogeneity. After all, the anatomy of the male and the female differ drastically.

A clitorectomy excises the sensuous organ of the female genitalia, permanently. A circumcision permanently deadens the sensuous organ of the male, removing its protection and leaving the organ cornified...ie, scarred, and absent sensation.

So, the effect of both procedures is the same: the function of the organ—it’s sensuousness—is compromised. It’s not at all a deflection; each procedure has the same effect on the synonymous organ of each gender.

The equivalent of female Pharaonic circumcision on a  male would involve removing his cock and balls never mind dumbing down his bell end.  

HoratioTarr wrote:The equivalent of female Pharaonic circumcision on a male would involve removing his cock and balls never mind dumbing down his bell end.

Pharaonic circumcision is nothing but a wordy way of comparing what we do routinely to males, as applying to women. But circumcision means circular cutting. Is there anything to "cut around" on a female? Of course not. The proper term is a ‘clitorectomy’. It is indeed drastic.

But the functional effect of a clitorectomy is the same as circumcision: it destroys the ability of the organ to feel anything. A clitorectomy excises the sensuous organ of the female genitalia, permanently. A circumcision permanently deadens the sensuous organ of the male, removing its protection and leaving the organ cornified.

There is no effective difference, even if one is the complete removal of the organ, and the other is to render the organ lifeless.

BTW, the homogeneous organs for the testicles are the ovaries, and removal of them would be the equivalent to a hysterectomy. Not even in the picture.

Original Quill wrote:

HoratioTarr wrote:The equivalent of female Pharaonic circumcision on a  male would involve removing his cock and balls never mind dumbing down his bell end.  

Pharaonic circumcision is nothing but a wordy way of comparing what we do routinely to males, as applying to women.  But circumcision means circular cutting.  Is there anything to "cut around" on a female?  Of course not.  The proper term is a ‘clitorectomy’.  It is indeed drastic.

But the functional effect of a clitorectomy is the same as circumcision: it destroys the ability of the organ to feel anything.  A clitorectomy excises the sensuous organ of the female genitalia, permanently. A circumcision permanently deadens the sensuous organ of the male, removing its protection and leaving the organ cornified.

There is no effective difference, even if one is the complete removal of the organ, and the other is to render the organ lifeless.

BTW, the homogeneous organs for the testicles are the ovaries, and removal of them would be the equivalent to a hysterectomy.  Not even in the picture.

You do know what infibulation entails, don't you? It's not a clitorectomy.

It is a clitorectomy, and more.