A test for the Far left

phil wrote:I would love to see Trump removed from office but I believe in democracy

Original Quill wrote:

phil wrote:I would love to see Trump removed from office but I believe in democracy

Trump was not democratically elected.  He lost by some 3-million votes, and had to be appointed by the electoral college.

Does that change your mind?  No...because you are not rational.

Thorin wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Trump was not democratically elected.  He lost by some 3-million votes, and had to be appointed by the electoral college.

Does that change your mind?  No...because you are not rational.

That is not what I asked

Would you remove him by force?

Original Quill wrote:

Thorin wrote:

That is not what I asked

Would you remove him by force?

You didn't ask.  You said: "I would love to see Trump removed from office but I believe in democracy"  What has democracy to do with Trump?

phil wrote:That is just one sentence

Original Quill wrote:

phil wrote:That is just one sentence

It's your opening sentence.  We'll disassemble your argument point-by-point later.  Bur first things first.

What does democracy have to do with Trump?

Thorin wrote:I would love to see Trump removed from office but I believe in democracy

If however, he caused mass harm to people. I would have no hesitation in calling for  nations globally to act and remove such a despot

Now I constantly see the call for the left to remove trump by forceful means

Why is it they are constantly silent to the worlds actual ills of despotism?

When we acted to remove Saddam, a mass murderer, what did the left do?

Vote and and call against such an action

With Bin Laden, when 9/11 happened, what did the left do?

Call against the invasion of Afghanistan

I can give countless examples here, but one thing is consistent here

The Far left, only care about their own ideologies

Not race, religion, ethnicity, homosexuality etc, if these people are from a geographically different location in the world. The Far left do not care about other humans not formed from their own nationality. They are far more nationalists, than any group on the right. As they simple disregard any other nationality that suffers oppression. Outside their borders, They in fact seek to protect mass murderers else where in the world. They play the Neville Chamberlain Card, never learning from history. Being as the left is inherently selfish as thew right. In the main, to those of their own beliefs.

Not all of course and those more to centre, we call for action, no matter left or right leaning

If anything its the right that calls for action to stop the very persecution else where in the world. The left use only the problems inhouse to whip up anger.

The Far left only care demographically within their own borders on these issues

They chose a brexit view point, to not care about the rest of the worlds despots

And they call the right racist/xenophobic?

Go figure

Ben Reilly wrote:Just as with Bush in 2004, I hold my nose for now and keep my faith in the long-term rightness of democracy.

Trump supporters, on the other hand, have the real problem with democracy. I firmly believe that they prioritize having a Trump-like figure in charge over democratic principles that might lead to a liberal black or Hispanic person winning the presidency.

Thorin wrote:I have to say though

My point still stands and no, not everyone is racist but xenophobic

As Eddie rightly says

They only care around what happens geographically near to them

More so for political gain

Ben Reilly wrote:

Thorin wrote:I have to say though

My point still stands and no, not everyone is racist but xenophobic

As Eddie rightly says

They only care around what happens geographically near to them

More so for political gain

Been wanting to do a thread on that topic that you just made me think of. Maybe I'll do it tonight.

Thorin wrote:I have to say though

My point still stands and no, not everyone is racist but xenophobic

As Eddie rightly says

They only care around what happens geographically near to them

More so for political gain

Ben Reilly wrote:Hopefully, this pandemic helps people see that in reality, we all live on a little planet. That our world is not so big that something disastrous can happen in one place and not affect the rest of us -- and that we're all equally vulnerable to the same threats.

There is no logical reason to care more about people who live within 100 miles of you than than people who live thousands of miles away. It's just distance, and those who live far away from us are not so different from us.

'Wolfie wrote:

Where are these calls from the "far left" to remove Trump by force ?

I don't see them, so I can only assume that Dodge is "constantly" visiting some Facebook, forum and YouTube channels that the rest of us don't even know about..

The Democrats and the Repub's are both 'centre right' and 'free market'-oriented political parties;  with the "right wing" factions of the GOP being far-right, anti-humanist corporatist shills,  while the "left wing" factions of the Democrats tend to be moderate/'centrists' by international standards, leaning towards "socialist" attitudes to healthcare and education --  but still a world away from the "Marxist" and "communist" labels that we see Dodge and Fardog tossing around so loosely.

We only have to see how quickly those couple of WOKE/SWJ girly-girls got bounced out of the race early on in the primaries, to see that there are very few genuine "far left" supporters amongst the Democrats in America.

With such inaccuracies and hysterical nonsenses in Dodges post to start with, his resultant questions and claims are simply more nonsense..