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Post by eddie Fri Feb 01, 2019 9:46 pm

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“Stereotyping is not just something that happens, stereotyping is something that is felt, and it feels like sheer terror, confusion and shame.”

The extent of racial bias faced by black, Asian and minority ethnic citizens in 21st-century Britain has been laid bare in an unprecedented study showing a gulf in how people of different ethnicities are treated in their daily lives.

A survey for the Guardian of 1,000 people from minority ethnic backgrounds found they were consistently more likely to have faced negative everyday experiences – all frequently associated with racism – than white people in a comparison poll.

The survey found that 43% of those from a minority ethnic background had been overlooked for a work promotion in a way that felt unfair in the last five years – more than twice the proportion of white people (18%) who reported the same experience.

The results show that ethnic minorities are three times as likely to have been thrown out of or denied entrance to a restaurant, bar or club in the last five years, and that more than two-thirds believe Britain has a problem with racism.

The ICM poll, commissioned to launch a week-long investigation into bias in Britain, focuses on everyday experiences of prejudice that could be a result of unconscious bias – quick decisions conditioned by our backgrounds, cultural environment and personal experiences.

It is believed to be the first major piece of UK public polling to focus on ethnic minorities’ experiences of unconscious bias, and comes amid wider concerns about a shortage of research capturing the views of minority groups.


• 38% of people from ethnic minorities said they had been wrongly suspected of shoplifting in the last five years, compared with 14% of white people, with black people and women in particular more likely to be wrongly suspected.

• Minorities were more than twice as likely to have encountered abuse or rudeness from a stranger in the last week.

• 53% of people from a minority background believed they had been treated differently because of their hair, clothes or appearance, compared with 29% of white people.


More on link: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/dec/02/revealed-the-stark-evidence-of-everyday-racial-bias-in-britain
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Post by Guest Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:10 am

nicko wrote:Almost every murder by knife in London was by Black on Black.    You can't argue about that !


I can argue with that mate, as its incorrect

https://news.sky.com/story/black-murder-victims-and-suspects-london-v-uk-11443656

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Post by Raggamuffin Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:04 am

Thor wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:oh and Thor.....I know I'm a good driver...having been trained in defensive and evasive driving, and having held a PCV licence for many years...now surrendered since I no longer need it.


So you have had extensive skilled dirving lessons, which requires skills right?

Hence the point on certain  people having good driving skills.

That is not based on perceptions, but based on being able to pass highly skilled tests

Correct?

Your view to suspect the study, shows the problem you yourself fail to recognise within yourself

A cognitive bias

Had you looked sketically at your own thinking here and been open minded to the fact. That people do suffer from this kind of bias daily. Where even you no doubt have chosen people through an unsubconcious bias you feel towards them. We are all guilty of this and it effects all of us, through life experinces. 

The reality is more ethnic minorities have and do suffer discrimination. We also see more ethnic minorities are wrongfully stopped by the Police. In fact the arrest ratio is one in 5 that leads to an arrest. Hardly a winning formula and proves how sterotypes formed, through a bias, leads to people making assumptions and often not based on intelligence, but how they perceive someone. Often based on the colour of their skin with the police. So where there is higher criminality levels say in London with those cast black. This becomes endemic in thinking through a bias. Thus more black people come wrongfully under suspicision. As its never based on any evidence, just a stigma, throughsuch a cogntive bias.

When a poll actually matches data on stop and searches. Then you have a correlation to that poll.

Why would you then be skepitical of that evidence?

Most drivers pass the basic driving test though. That means they were good enough to pass that test, but that doesn't necessarily mean they carry on being good drivers. If everyone who passed their test was a good driver, nobody would be driving too close to the car in front of them, for example, and nobody would pull out when they shouldn't and crash into another car.
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Post by nicko Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:24 am

Didge, you don't watch TV, or read the papers ?
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Post by Guest Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:35 am

nicko wrote:Didge, you don't watch TV, or read the papers ?


I just gave you a media source showing that your claim is again in correct 

Yes i do read the news

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Post by Tommy Monk Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:14 pm

Thor wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:that isnt the point...stop and search is to remove the weapons BEFORE a murder is committed....and to create an atmosphere where carrying a knife is regarded as "risky"


How many murders have been prevented though stop and search?

I will tell you

Zero

If someone is intent on murder, stop and search will never prevent that


Stop and search deters the carrying of knives and other contraband... therefore reducing the numbers of knives being carried which therefore reduces the likelihood of a knife being used in any random street fight/altercation... or in any other scenario too!





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Post by veya_victaous Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:18 pm

nicko wrote:Didge, you don't watch TV, or read the papers ?


this has got to be the dumbest statement ever 

YOU watch way too much TV !!!!!!
it's not News it entertainment you're watching!!!! 
it literally has a producer putting the show together to spin Bullshit narrative to Upset dullards
and YOU Swallow it hook line and sinker  

I'm not anti Old people.. I am Anti Old people that have been so Intellectually Lazy they have let their Brain Rot to the point they are happy fucking the world cause of some Obvious Lie they saw on TV

DIDGE posted facts and You're response is to refer to the Fictional Bullshit you watched on TV!!!!

you claim 'almost every' when reality is it's  

Almost half of murder victims - as well as suspects - were black despite the ethnic group accounting for just 13% of London's population.
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:22 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thor wrote:


How many murders have been prevented though stop and search?

I will tell you

Zero

If someone is intent on murder, stop and search will never prevent that


Stop and search deters the carrying of knives and other contraband... therefore reducing the numbers of knives being carried which therefore reduces the likelihood of a knife being used in any random street fight/altercation... or in any other scenario too!







What number of stabbings has it reduced?

Zero

In fact as seen, the number of stabbings has in creased

Again stop and search is a lottery, based on pot luck

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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:32 pm

How can you put a figure on prevention?

It is an unknown quantity!


And veya... don't you think the figures for black murders and suspects is high for such a low percentage of population...?

And what your quote doesn't tell you is that most of the rest are dusky skinned Muslims!!!
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:How can you put a figure on prevention?

It is an unknown quantity!



Easily when over the last couple of years the numbers of murders and stabbings has increased

So how has stop and search prevented any of the stabbings and murders?

Can you not easily grasp these facts?

Again stop and search is a lottery

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Post by nicko Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:37 pm

It might be a Lottery, but someone always wins at the end ! Laughing [ never me though]
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Post by Tommy Monk Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:00 pm

Thor wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:How can you put a figure on prevention?

It is an unknown quantity!



Easily when over the last couple of years the numbers of murders and stabbings has increased

So how has stop and search prevented any of the stabbings and murders?

Can you not easily grasp these facts?

Again stop and search is a lottery


Easily... if stop and search was more prevalent then the numbers of people carrying knives would have been reduced... therefore many of the minor alterations that have happened over the years that turned into a killing by someone pulling a knife out, would not have happened as less of the ones involved would have actually been carrying knives in the first place!


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Post by eddie Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:13 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:For example, one person who doesn't get the promotion they hoped for might think they're not experienced enough, or they don't have the qualifications. Another person who doesn't get the promotion they hoped for might think it's because of their ethnic background, or because they're female. Do you see that the experience is the same, but the perception of it is different?

You do have a point. I do think that happens sometimes, but I don’t think it’s the norm.
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thor wrote:


Easily when over the last couple of years the numbers of murders and stabbings has increased

So how has stop and search prevented any of the stabbings and murders?

Can you not easily grasp these facts?

Again stop and search is a lottery


Easily... if stop and search was more prevalent then the numbers of people carrying knives would have been reduced... therefore many of the minor alterations that have happened over the years that turned into a killing by someone pulling a knife out, would not have happened as less of the ones involved would have actually been carrying knives in the first place!




But they have not prevented any of the murders or stabbings

As again stop and search is a lottery and its not based on good intelligence but pot luck

Its why stabbings have been able to increase.

Its why stop and search never yeilded a sing conviction of terrorism

https://www.libertyhumanrights.org.uk/human-rights/justice-and-fair-trials/stop-and-search/section-44-terrorism-act

So you are simple as per usual talking bullshit

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Post by eddie Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:30 pm

I’m still waiting to find out how many people have to be polled for Tommy to believe in a poll.

Is there a magic number?
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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:31 am

eddie wrote:I’m still waiting to find out how many people have to be polled for Tommy to believe in a poll.

Is there a magic number?



The only polls that are valid... are the ones where everyone is asked...


Ie... General election... or national referendum etc...



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Post by Guest Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:21 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
eddie wrote:I’m still waiting to find out how many people have to be polled for Tommy to believe in a poll.

Is there a magic number?



The only polls that are valid... are the ones where everyone is asked...


Ie... General election... or national referendum etc...




But everyone is not asked in a Geneal election or referendum polls

Your claim to what is valid, is simple again gibberish

There is no reasoning behind your claims

Anyway, it does not what you think on this.

Others who are not an embarressment like yourself, take useful information like this and try to help understand this. Going forward with ways to help problems people face

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 am



Propaganda is used to manipulate...
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:31 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Propaganda is used to manipulate...

You mean like to leave or remain in the EU?

Only in your mind, is everything propaganda

Some things are very useful at understanding people.

Even people like yourself

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:47 am

There cannot be any true realistic understanding of public opinion without all being asked to give their opinion...
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Post by nicko Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:17 am

ummm----- Can't remember when anyone asked my opinion on anything, even my Wife !
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