Could a super collider end the world? Proposed upgrade could create black holes and 'strange matter', warn experts

Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

Well according to HF the Big Bang is rubbish and scientists don't know what they are talking about; so nothing to worry about then, have faith   

Seriously though scientific endevour is always going to have big risks. The outcomes could be worth it though. And of course if it wasn't for those bloody scientists we'd still all be dying much younger from basic diseases and living without electricity   

Eilzel wrote:

Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

Well according to HF the Big Bang is rubbish and scientists don't know what they are talking about; so nothing to worry about then, have faith   

Seriously though scientific endevour is always going to have big risks. The outcomes could be worth it though. And of course if it wasn't for those bloody scientists we'd still all be dying much younger from basic diseases and living without electricity   

Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives. Swings and roundabouts!

You say the outcomes could be worth it. TBH astrophysics is beyond my lickle brain; just what outcome could this collider thing achieve that's worth risking the planet?

Tess. wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Well according to HF the Big Bang is rubbish and scientists don't know what they are talking about; so nothing to worry about then, have faith   

Seriously though scientific endevour is always going to have big risks. The outcomes could be worth it though. And of course if it wasn't for those bloody scientists we'd still all be dying much younger from basic diseases and living without electricity   

Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives.  Swings and roundabouts!  

You say the outcomes could be worth it.  TBH astrophysics is beyond my lickle brain; just what outcome could this collider thing achieve that's worth risking the planet?

First of all it depends on just how sincere the threat to the planet is- the media do have a habit of bigging up these things to get people all excitable   

I suppose one product of creating so much heat is it could later be transferred to sources of energy- always a matter of importance in our energy obsessed world   

On diseases- well since life expectancy is massively up on where is was, certainly for those suffering diseases, from the 18th Century- I'd say science has done wonders   

Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.........................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

  

I WOULD just like to point out to everybody present...

That the "Daily Fail" gossip rag is not a scientific journal !   

Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.

One of the world’s most powerful particle accelerators, which is capable of generating particles hotter than four trillion degrees Celsius, has come under the spotlight after experts have warned that micro black holes and strange matter could be generated.

The Brookhaven National Laboratory’s Realistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) accelerates nuclei to the speed of light, before smashing them together in a bid to create quark-gluon plasma, which is an incredibly hot substance thought to have occurred just after the Big Bang.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

even if the risk is minute why do they think they have the right to just go ahead.

Tess. wrote:...............................

Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives.  Swings and roundabouts!  

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[Bullshit..]

   

THE wording of Tess's statement above would have been much more accurate if it said something like "while most diseases are still caused by natural pathogens, parasites and environmental causes, and many causes of chronic medical problems centre around bad diets and a lack of exercise ~ a large (and growing) minority of medical problems are also caused by, or exacerbated by, chemicals and additives - both natural poisons and synthetic chemical compounds - in our foods, and pollutants and contaminants in our environments...

AS written above, it puts too much emphasis on blaming poisons and contaminants in our environment for many of our medical problems ~ when that's actually probably the #3 problem after (1)natural disease organisms (where Malaria, TB and internal parasites are all STILL major "preventable and treatable" diseases..); and (2) bad diets and a lack of exercise/physical activity/movement..     

Beekeeper wrote:

Tess. wrote:Scientists and legal experts have raised concerns that an ambitious experiment using a super-charged ion collider could accidentally destroy planet Earth.........................

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2562063/Could-super-Hadron-end-world-Proposed-jumbo-collider-create-black-holes-strange-matter-experts-claim.html

Bloody scientists won't be happy until they've completely destroyed life, the Universe and everything!

  

I WOULD just like to point out to everybody present...

That the "Daily Fail" gossip rag is not a scientific journal !         

  ffs!

http://www.bnl.gov/rhic/

Tess. wrote:

Beekeeper wrote:
  

I WOULD just like to point out to everybody present...

That the "Daily Fail" gossip rag is not a scientific journal !         

  ffs!

http://www.bnl.gov/rhic/

  

More bullshite..

like to point out that beekeeper is not of sound mind!!

Eilzel wrote:

Tess. wrote:
Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives.  Swings and roundabouts!  

You say the outcomes could be worth it.  TBH astrophysics is beyond my lickle brain; just what outcome could this collider thing achieve that's worth risking the planet?

I suppose one product of creating so much heat is it could later be transferred to sources of energy- always a matter of importance in our energy obsessed world   

 

This might interest you then:

Giant Leap for Nuclear Fusion as Lasers Blast New Route to Ultimate Energy Source

Researchers in the US have overcome a key barrier to making nuclear fusion reactors a reality. In results published in Nature, scientists have shown that they can now produce more energy from fusion reactions than they put into igniting nuclear fuel for an experiment. The use of fusion as a source of energy remains a long way off, but the latest development is an important step towards that goal.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Giant_leap_for_nuclear_fusion_as_lasers_blast_new_route_to_ultimate_energy_source_999.html

Tess. wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

I suppose one product of creating so much heat is it could later be transferred to sources of energy- always a matter of importance in our energy obsessed world   

 

This might interest you then:

Giant Leap for Nuclear Fusion as Lasers Blast New Route to Ultimate Energy Source

Researchers in the US have overcome a key barrier to making nuclear fusion reactors a reality. In results published in Nature, scientists have shown that they can now produce more energy from fusion reactions than they put into igniting nuclear fuel for an experiment. The use of fusion as a source of energy remains a long way off, but the latest development is an important step towards that goal.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Giant_leap_for_nuclear_fusion_as_lasers_blast_new_route_to_ultimate_energy_source_999.html

Fusion energy is certainly going to be important in the long term. However experiments that help us to understand life on Earth and the Universe and its origins are important imo and can potentially bring about many things that may be of use to us in the future (I don't know what, but many things can be discovered in the process). If the risk was serious enough they wouldn't be allowed to continue.

The problem is apparently and I'm no scientist, is that once produced it has to be conatined in a vacuum, if it touches the sides of the container or anything else there's a massive explosion whether that would continue I can't remember but I think that is the idea continuous energy, so it could be a bit of a problem to say the least if it were to break out of containment and would make Chernobyl seem like a firecracker.

Pfft... they said it could create black holes when they made it when they first used it and when they pushed it to it's current limit.

Still no Black hole

they're just breaking atoms, think of this as getting two cannons with eggs (with really hard shells) as ammunition, then firing the cannons at each other so the eggs collide in mid air and you take a bizillion photos of the collision (because the shells are so hard the easy way to break them is against each other) and we want those photos to work out what’s inside the eggs, hopefully some delicious quark-gluon plasma

The idea it would create a black hole is a bit of a stretch (especially after previous similar experiments have not done so) and hopefully it will create new materials (that is sort of the point )

nicko wrote:
like to point out that beekeeper is not of sound mind!!

  

Fuck off, you half-wit...

Vintage wrote:
The problem is apparently I'm no scientist........

  

HIT.... nail.. head.

Beekeeper wrote:

Tess. wrote:...............................

Well even that's debatable - a lot of diseases today are caused by chemicals and additives.  Swings and roundabouts!  

.......................

   

THE wording of Tess's statement above would have been much more accurate if it said something like "while most diseases are still caused by natural pathogens, parasites and environmental causes, and many causes of chronic medical problems centre around bad diets and a lack of exercise ~ a large (and growing) minority of medical problems are also caused by, or exacerbated by, chemicals and additives - both natural poisons and synthetic chemical compounds - in our foods, and pollutants and contaminants in our environments...

AS written above, it puts too much emphasis on blaming poisons and contaminants in our environment for many of our medical problems ~ when that's actually probably the #3 problem after (1)natural disease organisms (where Malaria, TB and internal parasites are all STILL major "preventable and treatable" diseases..); and (2) bad diets and a lack of exercise/physical activity/movement..     

  

Beekeeper wrote:

Vintage wrote:
The problem is apparently I'm no scientist........

  

HIT.... nail.. head.

They said that travelling above 30mph on a train your lungs would implode. The quantities of matter involved in the experiments are minute and any exotic anti particles extremely short lived. Understanding the birth of all that we are, is I would have thought a noble quest, and since there is more chance of lung implosion than black hole annihilation of the planet, I'd prefer we proceed.

perhaps they should take some sort of vote and see just how many people think the risk is not worth taking, rather than assume science knows what it is doing.

heavenly father wrote:perhaps they should take some sort of vote and see just how many people think the risk is not worth taking, rather than assume science knows what it is doing.

Too Late we already done it.         this is just a bigger one