Diabetic mother's family call police after nurses at scandal-hit hospital 'refused to help 59-year-old and left her lying in her soiled bed for three hours'

A family called the police after nurses at a scandal hit hospital refused to help their mother as she lay in her soiled bed for three hours. After weeks of 'dreadful neglect' they say they lost their patience and called 101 the police non emergency line.

Debbie Petinou, 59, had been left to lie in her own urine and faeces on countless occasions, it is alleged, leaving her with the equivalent of third degree burns. And she was forced to remain in a chair on a ward for more than two weeks because the hospital couldn't find her the right sort of bed.

A police report is now with social workers charged with protecting vulnerable adults.

The straw that broke the camel's back came after Mrs Petinou soiled herself and was left for so long she rang one of her daughters. Speaking from her bed at the North Middlesex Hospital, the diabetic mother-of-three, who weighs 22 stone, said: 'I just got to the end of my tether. It wasn't the first time I'd been left for hours like that. It had happened many times before.

'I rang my youngest daughter and she called in and tried to talk to the staff but they kept shouting down at the phone at her and then hung up.

Last week the trust that runs the hospital in Edmonton, North London was failed by a Care Quality Commission inspection for the third time in three years and given a rating of Requires Improvement.

Earlier this year a patient bled to death after being left unattended in the A&E department for hours.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173321/Diabetic-mothers-family-call-police-nurses-hospital-refused-help-59-year-old.html

22 stone?

It doesnt matter WHAT her weight is, protracted, on going failure to provide proper health care to a patient in a health care setting SHOULD be a criminal matter with charges brought against both the staff and managers responsible, Withe especial attention being reserved for the administrators.

Lord Foul wrote:It doesnt matter WHAT her weight is, protracted, on going failure to provide proper health care to a patient in a health care setting SHOULD be a criminal matter with charges brought against both the staff and managers responsible, Withe especial attention being reserved for the administrators.

+1

Spot on, she was treated appallingly

I don't really believe she sat on a chair in A&E for 14 hours without moving.

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't really believe she sat on a chair in A&E for 14 hours without moving.

Based on what reasoning, when many people already wait many hours in A&E?

It does not matter what you believe, as this is just the tip of the iceberg with such problems

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't really believe she sat on a chair in A&E for 14 hours without moving.

Based on what reasoning, when many people already wait many hours in A&E?

It does not matter what you believe, as this is just the tip of the iceberg with such problems

Anyone would get up and move around, they wouldn't just sit there for 14 hours, especially if they're just waiting for a scan. There is another side to this story - as reported in the article.

I know this is not about lifestyle, but why on earth is someone with diabetes allowing themselves to reach 22 stone, and is then having to put up with all the consequences when they could help themselves? It doesn't say what type it is, but I bet it's type 2.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Based on what reasoning, when many people already wait many hours in A&E?

It does not matter what you believe, as this is just the tip of the iceberg with such problems

Anyone would get up and move around, they wouldn't just sit there for 14 hours, especially if they're just waiting for a scan. There is another side to this story - as reported in the article.

What if they are unable to?

Well do you understand what hyper and hypo is and then tell me how when she was placed in a bed, she could then get up?

So why do you think she was placed into a bed and thus admitted to the hospital?

This is about her lying in her own piss and shit, in a bed, not about sitting

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Anyone would get up and move around, they wouldn't just sit there for 14 hours, especially if they're just waiting for a scan. There is another side to this story - as reported in the article.

What if they are unable to?

Well do you understand what hyper and hypo is and then tell me how when she was placed in a bed, she could then get up?

So why do you think she was placed into a bed and thus admitted to the hospital?

This is about her lying in her own piss and shit, in a bed, not about sitting

She was admitted to hospital because she allegedly didn't move for 14 hours.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


What if they are unable to?

Well do you understand what hyper and hypo is and then tell me how when she was placed in a bed, she could then get up?

So why do you think she was placed into a bed and thus admitted to the hospital?

This is about her lying in her own piss and shit, in a bed, not about sitting

She was admitted to hospital because she allegedly didn't move for 14 hours.

She is diabetic, and you think she was admitted based on waiting times?

Seriously?

Why on earth did she have injections in her eyes then?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

She was admitted to hospital because she allegedly didn't move for 14 hours.

She is diabetic, and you think she was admitted based on waiting times?

Seriously?

Why on earth did she have injections in her eyes then?

Because she has diabetes, possibly because she is very overweight. Why are her family blaming the state of her legs on the hospital?

It just makes no sense. The family didn't like the way she was treated in hospital, but then said that she was released too soon. I know that hospital staff do sometimes need to be "nagged" a bit, but I'm not sure I believe that it was so extreme.

How come this story is only in the tabloids?

And who took those photos of her and published them?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


She is diabetic, and you think she was admitted based on waiting times?

Seriously?

Why on earth did she have injections in her eyes then?

Because she has diabetes, possibly because she is very overweight. Why are her family blaming the state of her legs on the hospital?

You have not read the story properly

She should have never been in A&E

She was due to have these injections, but also later had severe swollen legs, which later had blisters bursts on these legs

So because of undue swelling of the eyes, they told her she needed a scan and she was wrongly sent to A&E. Her legs then became swollen and its very probable due to the 14 hours she was made to wait in A&E on a chair

The claim is she was kept in a chair for two weeks and its very possible this is what has happened based on bed shortages

That is appalling

She was never even meant to be in A&E

Raggamuffin wrote:And who took those photos of her and published them?

People with a human conscience

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:And who took those photos of her and published them?

People with a human conscience

Nonsense.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


People with a human conscience

Nonsense.

I agree, it was nonsense for you to debate with never properly reading the article

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Because she has diabetes, possibly because she is very overweight. Why are her family blaming the state of her legs on the hospital?

You have not read the story properly

She should have never been in A&E

She was due to have these injections, but also later had severe swollen legs, which later had blisters bursts on these legs

So because of undue swelling of the eyes, they told her she needed a scan and she was wrongly sent to A&E. Her legs then became swollen and its very probable due to the 14 hours she was made to wait in A&E on a chair

The claim is she was kept in a chair for two weeks and its very possible this is what has happened based on bed shortages

That is appalling

She was never even meant to be in A&E

I have read it. She was an outpatient, but ended up in A&E waiting for a scan, allegedly didn't move for 14 hours, which caused her legs to swell. Why would anyone sit in a chair for that long if they knew it was bad for their legs?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Nonsense.

I agree, it was nonsense for you to debate with never properly reading the article

I did read it - stop lying.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


You have not read the story properly

She should have never been in A&E

She was due to have these injections, but also later had severe swollen legs, which later had blisters bursts on these legs

So because of undue swelling of the eyes, they told her she needed a scan and she was wrongly sent to A&E. Her legs then became swollen and its very probable due to the 14 hours she was made to wait in A&E on a chair

The claim is she was kept in a chair for two weeks and its very possible this is what has happened based on bed shortages

That is appalling

She was never even meant to be in A&E

I have read it. She was an outpatient, but ended up in A&E waiting for a scan, allegedly didn't move for 14, which caused her legs to swell. Why would anyone sit in a chair for that long if they knew it was bad for their legs?

Why does she need to be in A&E as an outpatient waiting for a scan

As out patients come for scans all the time?

The penny has not dropped yet has it?

Why don't people look after themselves better anyway? If it's type 2, it would have helped her to lose a lot of weight, but she clearly didn't. I don't get it. No wonder her legs swell up.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I have read it. She was an outpatient, but ended up in A&E waiting for a scan, allegedly didn't move for 14, which caused her legs to swell. Why would anyone sit in a chair for that long if they knew it was bad for their legs?

Why does she need to be in A&E as an outpatient waiting for a scan

As out patients come for scans all the time?

The penny has not dropped yet has it?

Why did she just sit there and say nothing - not even to ask why she was in A&E?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


I agree, it was nonsense for you to debate with never properly reading the article

I did read it - stop lying.

Well I only have two theories here

Either you have no idea what you are talking about or, you do know and you are being disingenuous?

So which is it?

Raggamuffin wrote:Why don't people look after themselves better anyway? If it's type 2, it would have helped her to lose a lot of weight, but she clearly didn't. I don't get it. No wonder her legs swell up.

Misdirection and proves you know you are in the wrong

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I did read it - stop lying.

Well I only have two theories here

Either you have no idea what you are talking about or, you do know and you are being disingenuous?

So which is it?

My posts make perfect sense, it's you who's talking in riddles.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Why does she need to be in A&E as an outpatient waiting for a scan

As out patients come for scans all the time?

The penny has not dropped yet has it?

Why did she just sit there and say nothing - not even to ask why she was in A&E?

So your view is that people should be like you?

Not everyone is like you nd think this is what they are meant to do

Which means the hospital fucked up

Even more so when they left her in her own piss and shit and even worse you are trying to defend that based off her being 22 stone

wow

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Well I only have two theories here

Either you have no idea what you are talking about or, you do know and you are being disingenuous?

So which is it?

My posts make perfect sense, it's you who's talking in riddles.

I just proved you were talking bullshit

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Why did she just sit there and say nothing - not even to ask why she was in A&E?

So your view is that people should be like you?

Not everyone is like you nd think this is what they are meant to do

Which means the hospital fucked up.

Even more so when they left her in her own piss and shit and even worse you are trying to defend that based off her being 22 stone

wow

Allegedly Didge, allegedly. I just don't know why people don't have more common sense. If people with type 2 diabetes looked after themselves, perhaps they wouldn't need to be in hospital at all.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

My posts make perfect sense, it's you who's talking in riddles.

I just proved you were talking bullshit

No you didn't. Stop lying.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


I just proved you were talking bullshit

No you didn't. Stop lying.

You were found out here, because you were simple too lazy to actually read the article

Outpatients come for scans all the time and she should have never been sent to A&E

To say she should have known this, is ridiculous

She just went where she was told to go

She should have remained in the out patient section andf why do I know?

Because unlike you, I have worked in the NHS

All of which does not matter, she should have never been left in her own piss and shit

Whilst I think people should learn to overcome fears of their weight and excercize, you chose to lead with her weight

I want to help people overweight, yet you led with this

So why did you lead with her weight

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


So your view is that people should be like you?

Not everyone is like you nd think this is what they are meant to do

Which means the hospital fucked up.

Even more so when they left her in her own piss and shit and even worse you are trying to defend that based off her being 22 stone

wow

Allegedly Didge, allegedly. I just don't know why people don't have more common sense. If people with type 2 diabetes looked after themselves, perhaps they wouldn't need to be in hospital at all.

Which shows you have no comprehension of the complications of diabetes

Does this condition effect the mind?

Yes or no?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

No you didn't. Stop lying.

You were found out here, because you were simple too lazy to actually read the article

Outpatients come for scans all the time and she should have never been sent to A&E

To say she should have known this, is ridiculous

She just went where she was told to go

She should have remained in the out patient section andf why do I know?

Because unlike you, I have worked in the NHS

All of which does not matter, she should have never been left in her own piss and shit

Whilst I think people should learn to overcome fears of their weight and excercize, you chose to lead with her weight

I want to help people overweight, yet you led with this

So why did you lead with her weight

I did read it. Stop lying. You just don't like my opinion, despite your claim that you like honesty.

I already addressed the issue of her being in A&E. Why didn't she ask why she was there? Why did she sit there for 14 hours without moving - allegedly?

I'm tired of hearing about people with health issues which are related to their huge weight, and they do fuck all about it. They go around on mobility scooters which makes matters worse.

The number of obese people in this country is reaching absurd levels. I don't mean people who are a bit podgy, that could happen to any of us, but it's full of people barely able to walk because they're so huge.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


You were found out here, because you were simple too lazy to actually read the article

Outpatients come for scans all the time and she should have never been sent to A&E

To say she should have known this, is ridiculous

She just went where she was told to go

She should have remained in the out patient section andf why do I know?

Because unlike you, I have worked in the NHS

All of which does not matter, she should have never been left in her own piss and shit

Whilst I think people should learn to overcome fears of their weight and excercize, you chose to lead with her weight

I want to help people overweight, yet you led with this

So why did you lead with her weight

I did read it. Stop lying. You just don't like my opinion, despite your claim that you like honesty.

I already addressed the issue of her being in A&E. Why didn't she ask why she was there? Why did she sit there for 14 hours without moving - allegedly?

I'm tired of hearing about people with health issues which are related to their huge weight, and they do fuck all about it. They go around on mobility scooters which makes matters worse.

Claiming what if's has no bearing, as its based on your perceived view and not that person

You cannot expect them to think as you do, hence a ridiculous argument

She was an out patient and should have never ended up in A&E

Period

So no matter how pathtically you argue on this, it has zero relavance and in fact you end up defending the wrongs here

So what you are saying is you hate this person because she is fat

Without any idea about them or whether they want to change this

You have condemned them

wow

Raggamuffin wrote:The number of obese people in this country is reaching absurd levels. I don't mean people who are a bit podgy, that could happen to any of us, but it's full of people barely able to walk because they're so huge.

I agree it is a problem, so you think shaming them and casting them as you have here is the answer

I mean you are the first to cry wolf when you claim I judge you

Go figure

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I did read it. Stop lying. You just don't like my opinion, despite your claim that you like honesty.

I already addressed the issue of her being in A&E. Why didn't she ask why she was there? Why did she sit there for 14 hours without moving - allegedly?

I'm tired of hearing about people with health issues which are related to their huge weight, and they do fuck all about it. They go around on mobility scooters which makes matters worse.

Claiming what if's has no bearing, as its based on your perceived view and not that person

You cannot expect them to think as you do, hence a ridiculous argument

She was an out patient and should have never ended up in A&E

Period

So no matter how pathtically you argue on this, it has zero relavance and in fact you end up defending the wrongs here

So what you are saying is you hate this person because she is fat

Without any idea about them or whether they want to change this

You have condemned them

wow

Change this? It's best to change it before one hits 22 stone.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:The number of obese people in this country is reaching absurd levels. I don't mean people who are a bit podgy, that could happen to any of us, but it's full of people barely able to walk because they're so huge.

I agree it is a problem, so you think shaming them and casting them as you have here is the answer

I mean you are the first to cry wolf when you claim I judge you

Go figure

Well encouraging them to lose weight doesn't seem to be working does it? The problem is getting worse and worse.

Where were her family when she was in A&E anyway? Wouldn't one of them have questioned that?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Claiming what if's has no bearing, as its based on your perceived view and not that person

You cannot expect them to think as you do, hence a ridiculous argument

She was an out patient and should have never ended up in A&E

Period

So no matter how pathtically you argue on this, it has zero relavance and in fact you end up defending the wrongs here

So what you are saying is you hate this person because she is fat

Without any idea about them or whether they want to change this

You have condemned them

wow

Change this? It's best to change it before one hits 22 stone.

So your view is to discriminate based on weight and size?

How about smoking or drinking?

How about sugar intake?

Is that your philosophy to help people?

wow

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Change this? It's best to change it before one hits 22 stone.

So your view is to discriminate based on weight and size?

How about smoking or drinking?

How about sugar intake?

Is that your philosophy to help people?

wow

Are you suggesting that people wake up one morning and suddenly find they're 22 stone without having previously noticed they're putting on a lot of weight?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


I agree it is a problem, so you think shaming them and casting them as you have here is the answer

I mean you are the first to cry wolf when you claim I judge you

Go figure

Well encouraging them to lose weight doesn't seem to be working does it? The problem is getting worse and worse.

Before they have a scan?

You are saying its justified to have her be lying in her own piss and shit, based on her weight?

The problem here is you discriminate, prejudice and do nothing to help combat obseity

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


So your view is to discriminate based on weight and size?

How about smoking or drinking?

How about sugar intake?

Is that your philosophy to help people?

wow

Are you suggesting that people wake up one morning and suddenly find they're 22 stone without having previously noticed they're putting on a lot of weight?

Desperation

can you find any post where i claimed that?

How about you actually address the points I raised?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Are you suggesting that people wake up one morning and suddenly find they're 22 stone without having previously noticed they're putting on a lot of weight?

Desperation

can you find any post where i claimed that?

How about you actually address the points I raised?

Well what are you suggesting then?

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well encouraging them to lose weight doesn't seem to be working does it? The problem is getting worse and worse.

Before they have a scan?

You are saying its justified to have her be lying in her own piss and shit, based on her weight?

The problem here is you discriminate, prejudice and do nothing to help combat obseity

Allegedly Didge, allegedly.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Desperation

can you find any post where i claimed that?

How about you actually address the points I raised?

Well what are you suggesting then?

I suggested you actually answer my questions

Would you like me to repeat them?

What does help to combat obesity then? Nobody else can do that for someone else - the solution is in their own hands.

Didge wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Well what are you suggesting then?

I suggested you actually answer my questions

Would you like me to repeat them?

You never answer my questions.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge wrote:


Before they have a scan?

You are saying its justified to have her be lying in her own piss and shit, based on her weight?

The problem here is you discriminate, prejudice and do nothing to help combat obseity

Allegedly Didge, allegedly.

So why is this hopspital already under measures Rags?

Where is the  allegedly in that Rags?

I mean we have found out that its warped to place an out patient in A&E, when they have scheduled appointments

Raggamuffin wrote:What does help to combat obesity then? Nobody else can do that for someone else - the solution is in their own hands.

There are many measures