A Chair On The Beach

The guy with the paper is thinking....Fucking weirdo's.

Very un-American message. In America, ya knock the other guy off first, then winner takes all.

Isn't sharing a socialist ideal?

I wouldn't share...who wants to have half an arse cheek hanging off a wooden chair that looks uncomfy in the first place?

Syl wrote:I wouldn't share...who wants to have half an arse cheek hanging off a wooden chair that looks uncomfy in the first place?

Yeah, really.

Instead of sitting on a wobbly old chair why not just  strip off, run into the waves to frolic gregariously, then emerge and throw yourself onto the beach for a snog...'from here to eternity' style.

Let the other guy have the seat and wonder where he went wrong.

Syl wrote:Instead of sitting on a wobbly old chair why not just  strip off, run into the waves to frolic gregariously, then emerge and throw yourself onto the beach for a snog...'from here to eternity' style.

Let the other guy have the seat and wonder where he went wrong.

Yes. That sort of went through my mind too.

Naked. Sea. Sex (on the chair). Pizza.

Great song for this thread because it’s been playing in my head since I clicked on it:

Cleary the message trying to be protrayed here has been lost in translation by the replies made.

How badly did people center on the negative here and not any positive from what he thought?

It did however get people to think what would be seen as beautiful to them.

Original Quill wrote:Very un-American message.  In America, ya knock the other guy off first, then winner takes all.

Isn't sharing a socialist ideal?

Sharing is a voluntary act. Socialism is force.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Very un-American message.  In America, ya knock the other guy off first, then winner takes all.

Isn't sharing a socialist ideal?

Sharing is a voluntary act. Socialism is force.  

Boom, great reply.

Didge wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Very un-American message.  In America, ya knock the other guy off first, then winner takes all.

Isn't sharing a socialist ideal?

Sharing is a voluntary act. Socialism is force.  

Boom, great reply.

I agree. A green from me.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:Very un-American message.  In America, ya knock the other guy off first, then winner takes all.

Isn't sharing a socialist ideal?

Sharing is a voluntary act. Socialism is force.  

Right!  And voluntary acts are for chumps, eh?  That's why they're called 'snowflakes'.

Vindicates my point: Americans don't do anything if it doesn't involve profit for them. The chair is a false narrative.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Sharing is a voluntary act. Socialism is force.  

Right!  And voluntary acts are for chumps, eh?  That's why they're called 'snowflakes'.

Vindicates my point: Americans don't do anything if it doesn't involve profit for them.

So why do many Americans help people and not gain profit from this?

The only profit they gain is feeling good.

Maddog is right. Socialism forces people to do things, and thus lacks any meaning. Stalins form of sharing was ensuring Millians of Ukanians starved to death, whilst he continually had his fill.

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Right!  And voluntary acts are for chumps, eh?  That's why they're called 'snowflakes'.

Vindicates my point: Americans don't do anything if it doesn't involve profit for them.

So why do many Americans help people and not gain profit from this?

The only profit they gain is feeling good.

Maddog is right. Socialism forces people to do things, and thus lacks any meaning. Stalins form of sharing was ensuring Millians of Ukanians starved to death, whilst he continually had his fill.

I don't know why it's unAmerican.  Someone should do a study on the origins of ideology. But Americans like to think of themselves as rugged individualists...any charitable act is a gain for the bums, and a loss to the individual.

Maddog changed the subject.  He wanted to co-opt my metaphor; my point is that socialism is considered, by Americans, as soft and squishy...like, well, snowflakes.  Voluntary act or not, sharing is not something that Americans do well.  They look down on it...like it is unmasculine.

We already have a debate going on socialism on another thread.  Here, I'm just viewing it through the eyes (ideology) of America.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

So why do many Americans help people and not gain profit from this?

The only profit they gain is feeling good.

Maddog is right. Socialism forces people to do things, and thus lacks any meaning. Stalins form of sharing was ensuring Millians of Ukanians starved to death, whilst he continually had his fill.

I don't know why it's unAmerican.  Someone should do a study on the origins of ideology.

Maddog changed the subject.  He wanted to co-opt my metaphor; my point is that socialism is considered, by Americans, as soft and squishy...like, well, snowflakes.  Voluntary act or not, sharing is not something that Americans do well.  They look down on it...like it is unmasculine.

We already have a debate going on socialism on another thread.  Here, I'm just viewing it through the eyes (ideology) of America.

He did nothing of the sort.
He easily rendered your left wing views, as Totalitarian.
This one statement has emotionally compremised you. Not because of it, but two people praised it.
That has angered you. Hence your absurd reply, making faklse assumptions, As if to defend you.
If Americans did not share, many would starve. Its because they are genereous, that many do not starve

Didge wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

I don't know why it's unAmerican.  Someone should do a study on the origins of ideology.

Maddog changed the subject.  He wanted to co-opt my metaphor; my point is that socialism is considered, by Americans, as soft and squishy...like, well, snowflakes.  Voluntary act or not, sharing is not something that Americans do well.  They look down on it...like it is unmasculine.

We already have a debate going on socialism on another thread.  Here, I'm just viewing it through the eyes (ideology) of America.

He did nothing of the sort.
He easily rendered your left wing views, as Totalitarian.

See? Even you agree that he changed (you use the verb, "rendered") the subject.

Didge wrote:This one statement has emotionally compremised you. Not because of it, but two people praised it.

That has angered you.

It's not about me. I will take your comments as your agreement with my assessment of America.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

He did nothing of the sort.
He easily rendered your left wing views, as Totalitarian.

See?  Even you agree that he changed (you use the verb, "rendered") the subject.

Didge wrote:Have I? Or have you in your own head?

It's not about me.  I will take your comments as your agreement with my assessment of America.

You will take my views as in agreemnt?

Will you?

Did I actually agree with you on everything?

You are radical, fundemental by such a claim
As I dont agree on your assessment of America
I think you more care about me being in agreement with you. Not the actual problem itself

Now go back and either respond to my points or continue this attempt at creating a force field you want.

Original Quill wrote:

Didge wrote:

So why do many Americans help people and not gain profit from this?

The only profit they gain is feeling good.

Maddog is right. Socialism forces people to do things, and thus lacks any meaning. Stalins form of sharing was ensuring Millians of Ukanians starved to death, whilst he continually had his fill.

I don't know why it's unAmerican.  Someone should do a study on the origins of ideology.  But Americans like to think of themselves as rugged individualists...any charitable act is a gain for the bums, and a loss to the individual.

Maddog changed the subject.  He wanted to co-opt my metaphor; my point is that socialism is considered, by Americans, as soft and squishy...like, well, snowflakes.  Voluntary act or not, sharing is not something that Americans do well.  They look down on it...like it is unmasculine.

We already have a debate going on socialism on another thread.  Here, I'm just viewing it through the eyes (ideology) of America.

I consider socialism as force.

That's hardly soft and squishy.

BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.

Maddog wrote:BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.  

Umm NO
we all VOTED to share, the Citizens Campaigned and pushed for Sharing.
You guys can't even agree to Stop Blowing each others brains out, and starving each other and Letting each other die of Basic Illness.
I don't care what Dumb ass Propaganda you've been feed the USA is NO WHERE NEAR the most sharing in any way shape or form

HoratioTarr wrote:The guy with the paper is thinking....Fucking weirdo's.

That’s what I think

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.  

Umm NO
we all VOTED to share, the Citizens Campaigned and pushed for Sharing.
You guys can't even agree to Stop Blowing each others brains out, and starving each other and Letting each other die of Basic Illness.
I don't care what Dumb ass Propaganda you've been feed the USA is NO WHERE NEAR the most sharing in any way shape or form

Exactly my point.  The US value-ideology is built on selfishness (called the capitalist system) and there's no room within selfishness for sharing.  It's considered a red badge of courage to withhold any sort of charitable contribution to your neighbors.  Look at healthcare.  Conservative Americans have tried over 60 times to withhold what is essentially, saving your neighbor's life.  Is that sharing???

Original Quill wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.  

Umm NO
we all VOTED to share, the Citizens Campaigned and pushed for Sharing.
You guys can't even agree to Stop Blowing each others brains out, and starving each other and Letting each other die of Basic Illness.
I don't care what Dumb ass Propaganda you've been feed the USA is NO WHERE NEAR the most sharing in any way shape or form

Exactly my point.  The US value-ideology is built on selfishness (called the capitalist system) and there's no room within selfishness for sharing.  It's considered a red badge of courage to withhold any sort of charitable contribution to your neighbors.  Look at healthcare.  Conservative Americans have tried over 60 times to withhold what is essentially, saving your neighbor's life.  Is that sharing???

exactly
Maddog seems to be under the delusion that we have socialist policies by Accident or some one forced us too as opposed the reality of Grass roots Campaigns driven by the People(often Unions through the Labor party) to create these services.
it is the total Opposite we see the cut-throat dog eat dog existence of Americans and Say "NO THANK YOU!!!!!" More accuratly Aussies say "Fuck that shit", we'd prefer to look after our fellow citizens and put Humans before Corporate profit

The great "American  Dream" would be to forcibly lay claim to that chair, then charge all comers $2/half hour to sit on it...

The Brit's would say "how uncouth !",  and keep on walking along the beach..

The Aussies would say "Fuck you, Septic !", move up into the dunes and start throwing their empty beer bottles at the chair's new concessionairre/"owners".          

The Japanese would ask how they could mass-produce a few more chairs, and sell them to anyone who wants one..

And then that innovative Jap' entrepreneur would 'offshore' their production into China, to lower their per/unit costs even further...

And the Chinese one would be painted with Lead based paint and collapse as soon as sat on !

Maddog wrote:
BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.  

Total bullshit,  yet again...

Where's your evidence to back your outright lie..

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog wrote:
BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.  

Total bullshit,  yet again...

Where's your evidence to back your outright lie..

You could Google it. I know it's a fact because I have researched it.

I have no obligation to do tour research for you, not shall I .

Hope you don't like that.

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.  

Umm NO
we all VOTED to share, the Citizens Campaigned and pushed for Sharing.
You guys can't even agree to Stop Blowing each others brains out, and starving each other and Letting each other die of Basic Illness.
I don't care what Dumb ass Propaganda you've been feed the USA is NO WHERE NEAR the most sharing in any way shape or form

Voting doesn't make it voluntary for the minorities in each election.

Voluntary means there is no legal requirement to engage in that activity.

Paying your taxes does not make one a noble human.

Maddog wrote:Paying your taxes does not make one a noble human.  

No, but failing to pay taxes makes one ignoble.  It's is like failing to pay child support. Maybe you didn't mean to get that woman pregnant, or bring that child into the world. But now it's here, and it's your obligation.

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Paying your taxes does not make one a noble human.  

No, but failing to pay taxes makes one ignoble.  It's is like failing to pay child support.  Maybe you didn't mean to get that woman pregnant, or bring that child into the world.  But now it's here, and it's your obligation.

If I could get away without paying taxes, I would.

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, but failing to pay taxes makes one ignoble.  It's is like failing to pay child support.  Maybe you didn't mean to get that woman pregnant, or bring that child into the world.  But now it's here, and it's your obligation.

If I could get away without paying taxes, I would.

You sound like an American colonist around 1775.

Maddog wrote:

eddie wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, but failing to pay taxes makes one ignoble.  It's is like failing to pay child support.  Maybe you didn't mean to get that woman pregnant, or bring that child into the world.  But now it's here, and it's your obligation.

If I could get away without paying taxes, I would.

You sound like an American colonist around 1775.  

I’ve often been told that. Must be my hat.

Maddog wrote:

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:


Total bullshit,  yet again...

Where's your evidence to back your outright lie..

You could Google it. I know it's a fact because I have researched it.  

I have no obligation to do tour research for you, not shall I .  

Hope you don't like that.  

And, I still call your bullshit lies out for what they are...

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You could Google it. I know it's a fact because I have researched it.  

I have no obligation to do tour research for you, not shall I .  

Hope you don't like that.  

And, I still call your bullshit lies out for what they are...

You can do anything that makes you feel better.

I'm feeling generous and shall help those incapable of doing a minor amount of research. Guess it's because I'm American.  

America has been named as the world’s most generous nation in the world, where its citizens give the most to charity, according to a new report.

The USA, New Zealand and Canada have the highest rate of charitable donations as a percentage gross domestic product (GDP), the Charities Aid Foundation (CAF) found.

The UK had the fourth highest rate of charitable donations in a study of 24 nations and topped all other EU countries that were looked at.

CAF’s report took data from countries accounting for around 75 per cent of global GDP and 53 per cent of the world population.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/america-new-zealand-and-canada-top-list-of-world-s-most-generous-nations-a6849221.html


You're welcome Wolfie.  

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:Paying your taxes does not make one a noble human.  

No, but failing to pay taxes makes one ignoble.  It's is like failing to pay child support.  Maybe you didn't mean to get that woman pregnant, or bring that child into the world.  But now it's here, and it's your obligation.

exactly
it not about being Noble it is just meeting the minimal standard for being a decent human

veya_victaous wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

No, but failing to pay taxes makes one ignoble.  It's is like failing to pay child support.  Maybe you didn't mean to get that woman pregnant, or bring that child into the world.  But now it's here, and it's your obligation.

exactly
it not about being Noble it is just meeting the minimal standard for being a decent human

Oh look. More virtue signaling.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:BTW, Americans share voluntarily more than anyone on the planet.  

Umm NO
we all VOTED to share, the Citizens Campaigned and pushed for Sharing.
You guys can't even agree to Stop Blowing each others brains out, and starving each other and Letting each other die of Basic Illness.
I don't care what Dumb ass Propaganda you've been feed the USA is NO WHERE NEAR the most sharing in any way shape or form

Voting doesn't make it voluntary for the minorities in each election.  

Voluntary means there is no legal requirement to engage in that activity.  

Only to suit your false claims

No one that can see would ever suggest the USA is more charitable
it is one of the least charitable western nations
Proven by the sorrowful conditions it's citizens live under

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Voting doesn't make it voluntary for the minorities in each election.  

Voluntary means there is no legal requirement to engage in that activity.  

Only to suit your false claims

No one that can see would ever suggest the USA is more charitable
it is one of the least charitable western nations
Proven by the sorrowful conditions it's citizens live under

Scroll back a few posts.

Or should I repost it for you. I'm feeling charitable for the less capable today.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Voting doesn't make it voluntary for the minorities in each election.  

Voluntary means there is no legal requirement to engage in that activity.  

Only to suit your false claims

No one that can see would ever suggest the USA is more charitable
it is one of the least charitable western nations
Proven by the sorrowful conditions it's citizens live under

Scroll back a few posts.

Or should I repost it for you. I'm feeling charitable for the less capable today.  

Based on Americans response to (not ACTUAL Donations or Charitable acts towards fellow citizens )

Gallup asked people which of the following three charitable acts they had undertaken in the past month:[4]
helped a stranger, or someone they didn’t know who needed help?
donated money to a charity?
volunteered your time to an organisation?

And USA came 2nd Aussies 3rd
and it hasn't taken into account that American rely on charities for what are freely given citizens rights in Australia

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Scroll back a few posts.

Or should I repost it for you. I'm feeling charitable for the less capable today.  

Based on Americans response to (not ACTUAL Donations or Charitable acts towards fellow citizens )

Gallup asked people which of the following three charitable acts they had undertaken in the past month:[4]
helped a stranger, or someone they didn’t know who needed help?
donated money to a charity?
volunteered your time to an organisation?

And USA came 2nd Aussies 3rd
and it hasn't taken into account that American rely on charities for what are freely given citizens rights in Australia  

Yes, there are different methodologies for conducting the survey.

Americans always come out at, or very near the top.

Glad you don't like it.

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Scroll back a few posts.

Or should I repost it for you. I'm feeling charitable for the less capable today.  

Based on Americans response to (not ACTUAL Donations or Charitable acts towards fellow citizens )

Gallup asked people which of the following three charitable acts they had undertaken in the past month:[4]
helped a stranger, or someone they didn’t know who needed help?
donated money to a charity?
volunteered your time to an organisation?

And USA came 2nd Aussies 3rd
and it hasn't taken into account that American rely on charities for what are freely given citizens rights in Australia  

Yes, there are different methodologies for conducting the survey.

Americans always come out at, or very near the top.

Glad you don't like it.  

well of course the USA thinks it's highly charitable when you need charity to cover the systematic failure of your nation to look after it's citizens. Many of your fellow citizens make the same mistake as you do, but civilized peoples don't mistake 'basic Humanity toward Their fellow citizens' with being Charitable.

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Yes, there are different methodologies for conducting the survey.

Americans always come out at, or very near the top.

Glad you don't like it.  

well of course the USA thinks it's highly charitable when you need charity to cover the systematic failure of your nation to look after it's citizens.  Many of your fellow citizens make the same mistake as you do, but civilized peoples don't mistake 'basic Humanity toward Their fellow citizens' with being Charitable.  

We give to citizens all over the planet.

Voluntarily, which is an actual measure of compassion, unlike paying your taxes.

It's amazing how little you know about the country you hate so much.

LOL
I don't hate America
but I don't feel the need to continue with obvious bullshit that it is a Nice or good place, it is clearly a sick society that needs intervention, cause kids are supposed to Worry about First Girlfriends and Finals Not Being Shot in class. the fact that Breaking Bad is a possible storyline is testament to how badly the systems have failed the people.

AND like Quill said
Sharing is Un-American
You literally send you culture out on TVs all over the world,
we see what Americans consider 'normal' we see the blatant brainwashing and propaganda it produces for it's own citizens consumption.
and many of us a horrified by what Americans consider freedoms.

But you keep Drinking to Cool-aide cause you love your guns more than being responsible or striving for a better society

veya_victaous wrote:LOL
I don't hate America
but I don't feel the need to continue with obvious bullshit that it is a Nice or good place, it is clearly a sick society that needs intervention, cause kids are supposed to Worry about First Girlfriends and Finals Not Being Shot in class. the fact that Breaking Bad is a possible storyline is testament to how badly the systems have failed the people.  

AND like Quill said
Sharing is Un-American
You literally send you culture out on TVs all over the world,
we see what Americans consider 'normal' we see the blatant brainwashing and propaganda it produces for it's own citizens consumption.
and many of us a horrified by what Americans consider freedoms.

But you keep Drinking to Cool-aide cause you love your guns more than being responsible or striving for a better society  

Thanks. Keep on doing whatever makes you happy down there.

Sharing is American. Being forced to share isn't.

And "Breaking Bad"?

Are you fucking talking about a TV show?

Maddog wrote:

veya_victaous wrote:LOL
I don't hate America
but I don't feel the need to continue with obvious bullshit that it is a Nice or good place, it is clearly a sick society that needs intervention, cause kids are supposed to Worry about First Girlfriends and Finals Not Being Shot in class. the fact that Breaking Bad is a possible storyline is testament to how badly the systems have failed the people.  

AND like Quill said
Sharing is Un-American
You literally send you culture out on TVs all over the world,
we see what Americans consider 'normal' we see the blatant brainwashing and propaganda it produces for it's own citizens consumption.
and many of us a horrified by what Americans consider freedoms.

But you keep Drinking to Cool-aide cause you love your guns more than being responsible or striving for a better society  

Thanks. Keep on doing whatever makes you happy down there.

Sharing is American. Being forced to share isn't.

And "Breaking Bad"?  

Are you fucking talking about a TV show?  

Yes, One with the very Foreign Plot that someone can't access medical treatment due to financial reasons
I Believe the fella is forced to turn to Crime because his Society Failed him so badly...

not that I have watched it

Maddog happily ignores the fact that more American citizens rely on charity compared with other Western countries for one simple reason --  the USA's totally fucked and failing barely-there welfare system...

While his libertarian freedom to give, or not, means that much of that charity is only going into favoured charities  --  and rarely ends up where it's most needed..

When in doubt, follow the money trail.

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog happily ignores the fact that more American citizens rely on charity compared with other Western countries for one simple reason --  the USA's totally fucked and failing barely-there welfare system...

While his libertarian freedom to give, or not, means that much of that charity is only going into favoured charities  --  and rarely ends up where it's most needed..

When in doubt, follow the money trail.

And he doesn't seem to care for my Charitable concern for the welfare of American people