What is the Non-Aggression Principle?

by Maddog Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:15 pm

First topic message reminder :

A fairly good definition, of how I try to make decisions in life, in terms of what I support politically. It explains where I come from, and why I seem to be an odd duck bashing a statist like Trump one minute, and then supporting one of his ideas the next.

Libertarianism is based on a single ideal, the non-aggression principle, so libertarian rhetoric tends to be remarkably consistent. Libertarians oppose the initiation of force to achieve social or political goals. They reject “first-strike” force, fraud or theft against others; they only use force in self-defense. Those who violate this “non-aggression principle” are expected to make their victims whole as much as possible. This “Good Neighbor Policy” is what most of us were taught as children. We were told not to lie, cheat, steal, not to strike our playmates unless they hit us first. If we broke a friend’s toy, we were expected to replace it.

Most of us still practice what we learned as children with other individuals, but we have grown accustomed to letting government aggress against others when we think we benefit. Consequently, our world is full of poverty and strife, instead of the harmony and abundance that freedom (i.e., freedom from aggression) brings.

Simply put, libertarians take the non-aggression principle that most people implicitly follow in their interactions with other individuals, and apply it to group actions, including government actions, as well.

You might have heard the Libertarian Party (LP) referred to as the “Party of Principle.” This is because the LP bases its programs and policy positions on the non-aggression principle.

https://www.theadvocates.org/aggression/

by Eilzel Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:36 am

Maddog wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Didge wrote:Interesting Eddie.

As its due to capitalism, that we have the finanaces that you even have an education, a health care system and social security.

Nasty capitalism eh

That's not entirely true, is it.

While we have a capitalist market economy, it is socialist principles brought social security, the NHS and free education for all. If the UK was purely capitalist, we'd have to pay directly for all those things.

That's the welfare state, which is funded by capitalism. The better capitalism works, the more welfare the state can distribute. Socialism is the state controlling the means of production.

But in a purely capitalist society there would be no welfare state, private enterprise would control healthcare and education, both of which would be subject to market forces.

In a country where the state isn't involved, the only people who would get quality heathcare and education would be those who could pay, and pay itself would be decided by big business. It might work out, but there's as much if not more chance it wouldn't.

by 'Wolfie Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:46 am

Maddog actually needs to look up the proper meaning of 'Libertarianism'...

Where proper libertarians are opposed to universal healthcare, publicly funded (i.e. gov't funded) education, welfare in general, publicly-funded pensions, or compulsory superannuation for those who can afford it, publicly-funded emergency services..

Genuine 'libertarians' only tolerate police and military inasmuch as those services will protect their own private property..

Under a full-blown "Libertarian" system healthcare, education and retirement should be fully self-funded/"user pays".

From declaring himself a "libertarian" early on in the piece, now we see Maddog back-flipping into supporting certain limited-socialist, socialist-democrat and/or market-regulation policies, to suit the occasion...

by Maddog Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:58 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Maddog actually needs to look up the proper meaning of 'Libertarianism'...

Where proper libertarians are opposed to universal healthcare, publicly funded (i.e. gov't funded) education, welfare in general, publicly-funded pensions, or compulsory superannuation for those who can afford it, publicly-funded emergency services..

Genuine 'libertarians' only tolerate police and military inasmuch as those services will protect their own private property..

Under a full-blown "Libertarian" system healthcare, education and retirement should be fully self-funded/"user pays".

From declaring himself a "libertarian" early on in the piece, now we see Maddog back-flipping into supporting certain limited-socialist, socialist-democrat and/or market-regulation policies, to suit the occasion...

Libertarian has many different meanings. Everything from an anarchist, to a someone like Ron Paul.

Maddog does not need to look up anything, but nice try. Wink

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