Care home abusers escape jail sentence.

by Syl Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:49 pm

When is the abuse of our old folk in care homes going to be taken seriously?

"The family of a 95-year-old blind woman who was called a ‘b****’ by two male carers and slapped by one of them criticised the justice system last night after they escaped jail.
Relatives of dementia sufferer Marjorie Preston set up a secret camera in her room at a care home after spotting unexplained bruises on her arms.
When they watched the footage they were horrified. The film revealed Polish national Piotre Ciecielowski, 26, and Pedro Dias, 21, originally from Portugal, swearing at and man-handling the widow – whose late husband Bernard was a D-Day veteran – as they got her ready for bed at Prestbury House Care Home in Macclesfield, Cheshire.A distressed Mrs Preston can be seen pleading ‘Please God, help me,’ and asking for her glasses, but Dias simply tells her to ‘shut the f*** up’. He threatens to ‘break every bone’ in her body and says he will ‘drag her by her neck to bed’ and ‘kill’ her if she resists.

Chester Crown Court was told that Dias was also seen slapping the grandmother across the face, causing her to yelp in pain. He called her a ‘dipstick’ and a ‘d***head’, accused her of trying to bite and scratch him, and said: ‘God thinks you are a b****.’ Ciecielowski failed to stop Dias or report him and branded Mrs Preston a ‘silly b****’.

The carers, who claimed they weren’t properly trained to deal with challenging dementia patients, both admitted ill-treatment and were sentenced to nine months in prison, suspended for two years. They were also banned from working as carers and ordered to complete 250 hours of unpaid work."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4929798/Daughter-releases-harrowing-video-carers-beating-mother.html

by Syl Sat Sep 30, 2017 5:56 pm

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This is the 95 year old lady that the two big brave 'carers' abused.

by Original Quill Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:05 pm

Of all the forms of discrimination, elder abuse is the most insidious because the average person has yet to suffer it. We have all been in situations of inequity, so we can understand racism, sexism or discrimination by other means.

But we have never been in the disadvantaged situation of the elderly. They have special needs, and society as a general rule finds it easier to look the other way. Hell, we have only lately recognized the special needs of the disabled...so there is hope, but it's only on the horizon.

by nicko Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:07 pm

Why "suspended" unless by the neck what's the point?

by Syl Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:14 pm

Original Quill wrote:Of all the forms of discrimination, elder abuse is the most insidious because the average person has yet to suffer it. We have all been in situations of inequity, so we can understand racism, sexism or discrimination by other means.

But we have never been in the disadvantaged situation of the elderly. They have special needs, and society as a general rule finds it easier to look the other way. Hell, we have only lately recognized the special needs of the disabled...so there is hope, but it's only on the horizon.

Most of us who are still able to communicate and be listened to haven't suffered it yet, but some of us have seen beloved family members needing the care and expertise that care homes offer, and pray it doesn't happen to their loved ones.

When, as all to often, cases like this are found out, go to court and made public, how disgusting that the abusers walk free, with not much more than a slap on the wrist.

by Original Quill Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:26 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Of all the forms of discrimination, elder abuse is the most insidious because the average person has yet to suffer it. We have all been in situations of inequity, so we can understand racism, sexism or discrimination by other means.

But we have never been in the disadvantaged situation of the elderly. They have special needs, and society as a general rule finds it easier to look the other way. Hell, we have only lately recognized the special needs of the disabled...so there is hope, but it's only on the horizon.

Most of us who are still able to communicate and be listened to haven't suffered it yet, but some of us have seen beloved family members needing the care and expertise that care homes offer, and pray it doesn't happen to their loved ones.

When, as all to often, cases like this are found out, go to court and made public, how disgusting that the abusers walk free, with not much more than a slap on the wrist.

They walk free because society doesn't place the premium on elderly abuse, that we do. It becomes negligible. The judge sees there won't be picketers and a possible recall petition if he just sweeps it all under the rug.

We are still in on that RW presumption that we should all take care of ourselves, and if we can't, its because we are lazy and somehow undeserving.

by Miffs2 Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:31 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Most of us who are still able to communicate and be listened to haven't suffered it yet, but some of us have seen beloved family members needing the care and expertise that care homes offer, and pray it doesn't happen to their loved ones.

When, as all to often, cases like this are found out, go to court and made public, how disgusting that the abusers walk free, with not much more than a slap on the wrist.

They walk free because society doesn't place the premium on elderly abuse, that we do. It becomes negligible. The judge sees there won't be picketers and a possible recall petition if he just sweeps it all under the rug.

We are still in on that RW presumption that we should all take care of ourselves, and if we can't, its because we are lazy and somehow undeserving.

Sometimes you don't half make some good posts. This thread is one of them. You are right, the elderly aren't valued.

by Syl Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:32 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Most of us who are still able to communicate and be listened to haven't suffered it yet, but some of us have seen beloved family members needing the care and expertise that care homes offer, and pray it doesn't happen to their loved ones.

When, as all to often, cases like this are found out, go to court and made public, how disgusting that the abusers walk free, with not much more than a slap on the wrist.

They walk free because society doesn't place the premium on elderly abuse, that we do. It becomes negligible. The judge sees there won't be picketers and a possible recall petition if he just sweeps it all under the rug.

We are still in on that RW presumption that we should all take care of ourselves, and if we can't, its because we are lazy and somehow undeserving.

The irony is that many people in care homes are paying out thousands a month, so they are still taking care of their own business.
It may take 20 plus years to buy a home, but when needing care in the latter stages in life that home can be gone in 3 or 4 years in extortionate care home fees.

by Syl Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:34 pm

Miffs2 wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

They walk free because society doesn't place the premium on elderly abuse, that we do. It becomes negligible. The judge sees there won't be picketers and a possible recall petition if he just sweeps it all under the rug.

We are still in on that RW presumption that we should all take care of ourselves, and if we can't, its because we are lazy and somehow undeserving.

Sometimes you don't half make some good posts. This thread is one of them. You are right, the elderly aren't valued.

He does.
Presumably the old are valued as much in the US as they are in the UK.

by Original Quill Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:48 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

They walk free because society doesn't place the premium on elderly abuse, that we do. It becomes negligible. The judge sees there won't be picketers and a possible recall petition if he just sweeps it all under the rug.

We are still in on that RW presumption that we should all take care of ourselves, and if we can't, its because we are lazy and somehow undeserving.

The irony is that many people in care homes are paying out thousands a month, so they are still taking care of their own business.
It may take 20 plus years to buy a home, but when needing care in the latter stages in life that home can be gone in 3 or 4 years in extortionate care home fees.

Fair point, showing that capitalists are still greedy. If the blind man can't see, it's OK to give him 'ones' instead of 'ten-spots' in change.

I just helped out a neighbor who has a father-in-law in care, with the 'Home' extracting some $67,000 from his bank account supposedly for "necessities". Of course, the shit he took it for was just laundry and kleenex. I asked him to prove he had the power of attorney to withdraw the money, and he folded immediately.

California has a strong Dependent Adult Civil Protection Act [15600 - 15675], and if the neighbor decides to go to court, he could end up owing the rat...thank goodness.

by Miffs2 Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:51 pm

Syl wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:

Sometimes you don't half make some good posts. This thread is one of them. You are right, the elderly aren't valued.

He does.
Presumably the old are valued as much in the US as they are in the UK.

I reckon. That's the worst part of my job when the victim is elderly. I want to go find the bastards myself Evil or Very Mad

by Raggamuffin Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:59 pm

Care home employees really need to be chosen with more care. Unfortunately, the pay is usually low so they can't be too picky. They need to employ people who have endless patience and who understand that the job can be frustrating at times.

by Syl Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:54 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Care home employees really need to be chosen with more care. Unfortunately, the pay is usually low so they can't be too picky. They need to employ people who have endless patience and who understand that the job can be frustrating at times.

I agree. Paying minimum wage isnt the best way to attract good caring staff.

On the other hand no amount of money can make a cruel person kind.
People who can treat a 95 year old blind woman suffering from dementia in such a horrendous way would be cruel no matter how much they were paid or how much training they had recieved.

by Syl Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

The irony is that many people in care homes are paying out thousands a month, so they are still taking care of their own business.
It may take 20 plus years to buy a home, but when needing care in the latter stages in life that home can be gone in 3 or 4 years in extortionate care home fees.

Fair point, showing that capitalists are still greedy. If the blind man can't see, it's OK to give him 'ones' instead of 'ten-spots' in change.

I just helped out a neighbor who has a father-in-law in care, with the 'Home' extracting some $67,000 from his bank account supposedly for "necessities". Of course, the shit he took it for was just laundry and kleenex. I asked him to prove he had the power of attorney to withdraw the money, and he folded immediately.

California has a strong Dependent Adult Civil Protection Act [15600 - 15675], and if the neighbor decides to go to court, he could end up owing the rat...thank goodness.

Why is the family not in charge of their father in laws finances?

by Original Quill Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:38 am

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Fair point, showing that capitalists are still greedy. If the blind man can't see, it's OK to give him 'ones' instead of 'ten-spots' in change.

I just helped out a neighbor who has a father-in-law in care, with the 'Home' extracting some $67,000 from his bank account supposedly for "necessities". Of course, the shit he took it for was just laundry and kleenex. I asked him to prove he had the power of attorney to withdraw the money, and he folded immediately.

California has a strong Dependent Adult Civil Protection Act [15600 - 15675], and if the neighbor decides to go to court, he could end up owing the rat...thank goodness.

Why is the family not in charge of their father in laws finances?

Zot!! Right to the point. Good for you.

That's the very question I asked. I asked, Where's the conservatorship? Turns out, the old man was just nodding off on the withdrawals.

Even the family can't manage the finances without a conservatorship. And the old man is subject to elderly status under the law. We had the home coming and going.

by Syl Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:08 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Why is the family not in charge of their father in laws finances?

Zot!! Right to the point. Good for you.

That's the very question I asked. I asked, Where's the conservatorship? Turns out, the old man was just nodding off on the withdrawals.

Even the family can't manage the finances without a conservatorship. And the old man is subject to elderly status under the law. We had the home coming and going.

I don't understand what a conservatorship is Quill.
Here, if property or money is involved, and the person is not able to take care of their finances, a family member or trusted friend can be given power of attorney....is that a similar thing to a 'conservatorship'?
It makes good sense to choose yourself who you want to do this whilst you are still in sound mind.....saves getting ripped off when/if you cant make your own decisions.

Or, as we did, simply fill a bank form in that you are the person who will now handle the bank account and finances of the person who is in need of care. I guess that only works if not a huge amount of money or property is involved.

by Original Quill Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:51 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Zot!! Right to the point. Good for you.

That's the very question I asked. I asked, Where's the conservatorship? Turns out, the old man was just nodding off on the withdrawals.

Even the family can't manage the finances without a conservatorship. And the old man is subject to elderly status under the law. We had the home coming and going.

I don't understand what a conservatorship is Quill.
Here, if property or money is involved, and the person is not able to take care of their finances, a family member or trusted friend can be given power of attorney....is that a similar thing to a 'conservatorship'?

Yes. A conservatorship is a kind of trust, resulting from a proceeding in which a guardian or a protector is appointed by a judge to manage the financial affairs and/or daily life of another due to physical or mental limitations, or old age. My question to this director was, By whose authority did you remove funds from this man's bank account? There was no conservatorship.

Syl wrote:It makes good sense to choose yourself who you want to do this whilst you are still in sound mind.....saves getting ripped off when/if you cant make your own decisions.

But it's a choice not to be taken lightly. If you are doing it merely because some hospital administrator is pushing you, you are going about it all wrong. There should be a lot of forethought and planning that goes into who can pull the plug on you...and why!

Syl wrote:Or, as we did, simply fill a bank form in that you are the person who will now handle the bank account and finances of the person who is in need of care. I guess that only works if not a huge amount of money or property is involved.

That sounds like a "specific" power of attorney...that is, specific to that account.

by Syl Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:22 pm

I agree its not a decision to be taken lightly.
It could be one of the most important decisions a person ever makes, one best made when a person is still in sound mind and body and well before they are hospitalised or needing full time care.
Its always best to be prepared ....then when/if the time comes that you need help making financial decisions, it wont be a judge, a stranger, who decides who will be the one in charge of where your hard earned cash goes.

I think people shouldn't shy away from these things, its a bit like making a will....do it as soon as you have anything of value, and make it clear in writing who the executors will be.

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