Collapse in Christianity in Britain blamed on mothers by former bishop

Mothers have been blamed for the collapse in churchgoing in Britain by a former Church of England bishop.
Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester from 1994 to 2009, told the Ukip conference of his sadness that "holy days have become holidays".

He told around 200 activists that this was in part because mothers stopped passing on their faith to their children at home. Mr Nazir-Ali told the activists: "There was a sudden death for Christian discourse in public life in this country around the 1960s."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/29/collapse-christianity-britain-blamed-mothers-former-bishop/


His sadness?

That children are not having religion shoved down their throats and that parents are allowing their children freedom of thought?

There is no doubt Yesuha was a great teacher. Its a shame that Christians deified him and clearly failed to understand his teachings. Where many adopted the Pauline Christianity we see today.

This country may have adopted Christian-Judaeo beliefs, but it was enlightenment, secualarism and equality, that has shaped and made this country. To be, one of the best places to live. Not any poorly conceived absolute morals found in religion.

The fact that he blames women, shows how backward he is in thinking and how they are formed from the teachings of Paul. Which makes some Christians so utterly misogynistic. That they look to blame women for why people are turning away from Christianity. Its the original first sin bullshit all over again, in blaming women. 

I mean its bad enough that Christianity is based more on the views of Paul, than it is of Yesuha. But to claim women are to blame for the Church of England's own failings. Says it all, how archaic some Christians are. Not even a view to blame fathers, but women, shows how sadly sexist the Church of England truly is.

Thank goodness that parents no matter whether male or female have  allowed their children the freedom of thought to choose what they believe.

i wonder if didge takes holiday at Christmas time???

or does he stand up and say "no thank you im not a Christian i don't want participate in this holy time for Christians please let me back to work"

smelly-bandit wrote:
i wonder if didge takes holiday at Christmas time???

or does he stand up and say "no thank you im not a Christian i don't want participate in this holy time for Christians please let me back to work"

The fuckwit Smelly once again shows his inbred stupidity...

Aren't you aware that Christmas is a pre-Christian/Roman "holy" day taken over by Christianity (after all, Jesus was born in the northern Spring -- not in December); while Easter was a pagan fertility celebration, again commandeered by Christian churches (hence the Easter bunny distributing Easter Eggs..).

Once again, SmellyKlutz shoots himself in the foot.

smelly-bandit wrote:i wonder if didge takes holiday at Christmas time???

or does he stand up and say "no thank you im not a Christian i don't want participate in this holy time for Christians please let me back to work"

You mean do I celebrate Mithras day smells?

No I certainly do not celebrate the fake birthday of Christ, that was adopted from the birthday of Mithras. In order to unite the Roman Empire.

Typical Christian, thinking this holiday was the actual birthday of some god.

Jesus was born in March smells, if you follow the scripture.

Maybe I should not celebrate the May bank holiday, as do you have a reason i should not, my little sheep friend?

so you're happy to take free leave for a religious Holiday you don't celebrate

you're like that black student who took a scholarship from Rhodes university and then demanded they tear down his statue

smelly-bandit wrote:so you're happy to take free leave for a religious Holiday you don't celebrate

you're like that black student who took a scholarship from Rhodes university and then demanded they tear down his statue

We have 8 bank holidays

All people no matter their ethnicity or faith have these days off

Are you suggesting I force my company to make me work, when they are closed over these days?

Where have I demanded that Christmas is cancelled?

Have you been watching Alan Rickman again as the Sheriff of Nottingham wanking off over this smells?

So what you are saying, being as most people are not religious, is that they should not celebrate giving presents to each other. I mean of course Santa was at the birth of Jesus was he not?

smelly-bandit wrote:so you're happy to take free leave for a religious Holiday you don't celebrate

you're like that black student who took a scholarship from Rhodes university and then demanded they tear down his statue

Being the prize hypocrite you are,  SmellyWanker...

How many public holidays do you take off each year,  even when you don't personally agree with the underlying reasons ???

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:so you're happy to take free leave for a religious Holiday you don't celebrate

you're like that black student who took a scholarship from Rhodes university and then demanded they tear down his statue

Being the prize hypocrite you are,  SmellyWanker...

How many public holidays do you take off each year,  even when you don't personally agree with the underlying reasons ???

I imagine smelly has adopted some Aztec ritual, where whilst wanking, he rips the heart out of a flea. 

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:so you're happy to take free leave for a religious Holiday you don't celebrate

you're like that black student who took a scholarship from Rhodes university and then demanded they tear down his statue

We have 8 bank holidays

All people no matter their ethnicity or faith have these days off

Are you suggesting I force my company to make me work, when they are closed over these days?

Where have I demanded that Christmas is cancelled?

Have you been watching Alan Rickman again as the Sheriff of Nottingham wanking off over this smells?

So what you are saying, being as most people are not religious, is that they should not celebrate giving presents to each other. I mean of course Santa was at the birth of Jesus was he not?

Not everyone who works has bank holidays off - just saying.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:

We have 8 bank holidays

All people no matter their ethnicity or faith have these days off

Are you suggesting I force my company to make me work, when they are closed over these days?

Where have I demanded that Christmas is cancelled?

Have you been watching Alan Rickman again as the Sheriff of Nottingham wanking off over this smells?

So what you are saying, being as most people are not religious, is that they should not celebrate giving presents to each other. I mean of course Santa was at the birth of Jesus was he not?

Not everyone who works has bank holidays off - just saying.

But that is their choice is it not?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Not everyone who works has bank holidays off - just saying.

But that is their choice is it not?

In what way? Are you suggesting they volunteer to work on bank holidays?

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


But that is their choice is it not?

In what way? Are you suggesting they volunteer to work on bank holidays?

They choose the jobs they take do they not, knowing they could work bank holidays?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

In what way? Are you suggesting they volunteer to work on bank holidays?

They choose the jobs they take do they not, knowing they could work bank holidays?

So it's not true that all people have those days off, as you claimed. Well done.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


They choose the jobs they take do they not, knowing they could work bank holidays?

So it's not true that all people have those days off, as you claimed. Well done.

Yes they can have that day off, as the choice is with them

Ahh someone is tired again

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So it's not true that all people have those days off, as you claimed. Well done.

Yes they can have that day off, as the choice is with them

Ahh someone is tired again

Obviously, they can't have that day off if their contract says they can't. Do put your brain in gear.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Yes they can have that day off, as the choice is with them

Ahh someone is tired again

Obviously, they can't have that day off if their contract says they can't. Do put your brain in gear.

But they have the choice to work and sign that contract do they not, as i already said?

Thus they know when signing that contract they could work bank holidays.

Thus, they have made an active choice have they not?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Obviously, they can't have that day off if their contract says they can't. Do put your brain in gear.

But they have the choice to work and sign that contract do they not, as i already said?

Thus they know when signing that contract they could work bank holidays.

Thus, they have made an active choice have they not?

So they can't have that day off then. Well done - there's no need for you to keep trying to defend what you said - just admit that it was wrong. All people do not necessarily have bank holidays off - it's quite simple.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


But they have the choice to work and sign that contract do they not, as i already said?

Thus they know when signing that contract they could work bank holidays.

Thus, they have made an active choice have they not?

So they can't have that day off then. Well done - there's no need for you to keep trying to defend what you said - just admit that it was wrong. All people do not necessarily have bank holidays off - it's quite simple.

Only if they actively choose to work for that company

So where at any point was i wrong Rags?

Take you time

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:so you're happy to take free leave for a religious Holiday you don't celebrate

you're like that black student who took a scholarship from Rhodes university and then demanded they tear down his statue

We have 8 bank holidays

All people no matter their ethnicity or faith have these days off

Are you suggesting I force my company to make me work, when they are closed over these days?

Where have I demanded that Christmas is cancelled?

Have you been watching Alan Rickman again as the Sheriff of Nottingham wanking off over this smells?

So what you are saying, being as most people are not religious, is that they should not celebrate giving presents to each other. I mean of course Santa was at the birth of Jesus was he not?

No one is forcing you to take leave on Christmas, you could always give it up

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

So they can't have that day off then. Well done - there's no need for you to keep trying to defend what you said - just admit that it was wrong. All people do not necessarily have bank holidays off - it's quite simple.

Only if they actively choose to work for that company

So where at any point was i wrong Rags?

Take you time

You were wrong because you said everyone has bank holidays off. That was easy.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Only if they actively choose to work for that company

So where at any point was i wrong Rags?

Take you time

You were wrong because you said everyone has bank holidays off. That was easy.

Everyone can have a bank holiday off

Think about it

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:

We have 8 bank holidays

All people no matter their ethnicity or faith have these days off

Are you suggesting I force my company to make me work, when they are closed over these days?

Where have I demanded that Christmas is cancelled?

Have you been watching Alan Rickman again as the Sheriff of Nottingham wanking off over this smells?

So what you are saying, being as most people are not religious, is that they should not celebrate giving presents to each other. I mean of course Santa was at the birth of Jesus was he not?

No one is forcing you to take leave on Christmas, you could always give it up

I could work smelly, but how can I work, when my company closes for Christmas?

Okay, how about I call it Mithras day, as that is what it really is.

Do you celebrate Mithras day?

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

No one is forcing you to take leave on Christmas, you could always give it up

I could work smelly, but how can I work, when my company closes for Christmas?

Okay, how about I call it Mithras day, as that is what it really is.

Do you celebrate Mithras day?

Wow you really are angry today.

You could work in homeless shelter seen as how's its Christmas and the season for goodwill.

Its OK didge, you're not the only atheist hypocrite out there

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:


I could work smelly, but how can I work, when my company closes for Christmas?

Okay, how about I call it Mithras day, as that is what it really is.

Do you celebrate Mithras day?

Wow you really are angry today.

You could work in homeless shelter seen as how's its Christmas and the season for goodwill.

Its OK didge, you're  not the only atheist hypocrite out there

Or i could go to Ireland and be there with my Catholic Mother and other siblings, as they want me to be there smells.

I could work in a homeless shelter of which I actually have before, have you smells?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You were wrong because you said everyone has bank holidays off. That was easy.

Everyone can have a bank holiday off

Think about it

You said they have bank holidays off, not that they can have a bank holiday off.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Everyone can have a bank holiday off

Think about it

You said they have bank holidays off, not that they can have a bank holiday off.

They do.

Hence I asked you to think about it?

I am asking you to seriously think about it yet again

Do you ever go sick Rags?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You said they have bank holidays off, not that they can have a bank holiday off.

They do.

Hence I asked you to think about it?

I am asking you to seriously think about it yet again

Do you ever go sick Rags?

Didge, you got it wrong - there's an end to it. Just suck it up.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


They do.

Hence I asked you to think about it?

I am asking you to seriously think about it yet again

Do you ever go sick Rags?

Didge, you got it wrong - there's an end to it. Just suck it up.

Actually rags, i  just reeled you in

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Didge, you got it wrong - there's an end to it. Just suck it up.

Actually rags, i  just reeled you in

No you didn't. You said something which wasn't true and then tried to defend it.

NO-ONE works a bank holiday, they just have a different day to everyone else

I'd like to get rid of te christian "holidays" and go back to the "old ones"

i mean a week statutory holiday for summer and winted solstice, a week long orgy on saturnalia

3 days for the equinox (s)

plus one day intween each celebration

(there are 8 celebratory days in the pagan wheel, the rest are for stuffing your face (and wenches) and getting pissed/stoned.

Lord Foul wrote:NO-ONE works a bank holiday, they just have a different day to everyone else

I'd like to get rid of te christian "holidays" and go back to the "old ones"

i mean a week statutory holiday for summer and winted solstice, a week long orgy on saturnalia

3 days for the equinox (s)

plus one day intween each celebration

(there are 8 celebratory days in the pagan wheel, the rest are for stuffing your face (and wenches) and getting pissed/stoned.

Excellent, count me in. I will happilly celebrate your pagan holidays..

I am all about integration.

Lord Foul wrote:NO-ONE works a bank holiday, they just have a different day to everyone else

I'd like to get rid of te christian "holidays" and go back to the "old ones"

i mean a week statutory holiday for summer and winted solstice, a week long orgy on saturnalia

3 days for the equinox (s)

plus one day intween each celebration

(there are 8 celebratory days in the pagan wheel, the rest are for stuffing your face (and wenches) and getting pissed/stoned.

What do you mean no one works on a bank holiday?

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Wow you really are angry today.

You could work in homeless shelter seen as how's its Christmas and the season for goodwill.

Its OK didge, you're  not the only atheist hypocrite out there

Or i could go to Ireland and be there with my Catholic Mother and other siblings, as they want me to be there smells.

I could work in a homeless shelter of which I actually have before, have you smells?

But you're not a Christian didge, so why participate in a Christian holiday??

Rank hypocrisy

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Or i could go to Ireland and be there with my Catholic Mother and other siblings, as they want me to be there smells.

I could work in a homeless shelter of which I actually have before, have you smells?

But you're not a Christian didge, so why participate in a Christian holiday??

Rank hypocrisy

So you think I am a hypocrite, whoopdedoo

I mean to me I dont actually participate that is actually Christian itself.

I mean you do realize that Christians hijacked a day that was already celebrated, where gifts had been exchanged for 2,000 years previous to the birth of Jesus?
As there was such a thing as midwinter festivals.

So how can I be a hypocrite smelly?

Take your time

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

But you're not a Christian didge, so why participate in a Christian holiday??

Rank hypocrisy

So you think I am a hypocrite, whoopdedoo

I mean to me I dont actually participate that is actually Christian itself.

I mean you do realize that Christians hijacked a day that was already celebrated, where gifts had been exchanged for 2,000 years previous to the birth of Jesus?
As there was such a thing as midwinter festivals.

So how can I be a hypocrite smelly?

Take your time

Happy to attack Christianity but also happy to take the time off for a Christian holiday

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:


So you think I am a hypocrite, whoopdedoo

I mean to me I dont actually participate that is actually Christian itself.

I mean you do realize that Christians hijacked a day that was already celebrated, where gifts had been exchanged for 2,000 years previous to the birth of Jesus?
As there was such a thing as midwinter festivals.

So how can I be a hypocrite smelly?

Take your time

Happy to attack Christianity but also happy to take the time off for a Christian holiday

Happy to take time off when its a public holiday..

The birth of Christmas

So if Christmas didn’t originate with Christ’s birth being on Dec. 25, when and how did it originate?
Christmas began long before the birth of Jesus Christ. Alexander Hislop’s book The Two Babylons explores many historical sources showing that the holiday precedes Christ by at least 2,000 years, as earlier mentioned (1957, pp. 97-98).

A nativity celebration for pagan gods was observed near the winter solstice in both Syria and Egypt. Later, some 400 years before Christ, the Mithraic religion, centering on the Persian sun god Mithras, provided the foundation for the Christmas celebration. Mithraism became very popular in the Roman Empire, and many elements of its worship survive today in Roman Catholicism.

For example, the noted British anthropologist, historian and scholar Sir James Frazer, knighted for his contributions to our understanding of ancient religions, wrote in his book The Golden Bough:

“There can be no doubt that the Mithraic religion proved a formidable rival to Christianity, combining as it did a solemn ritual with aspirations after moral purity and a hope of immortality.

Indeed the issue of the conflict between the two faiths appears for a time to have hung in the balance. An instructive relic of the long struggle is preserved in our festival of Christmas, which the Church seems to have borrowed directly from its heathen rival .

“In the Julian calendar the twenty-fifth of December was reckoned the winter solstice, and it was regarded as the Nativity [birthday] of the Sun, because the day begins to lengthen and the power of the sun to increase from that turning-point of the year. The ritual of the nativity, as it appears to have been celebrated in Syria and Egypt, was remarkable. The celebrants retired into certain inner shrines, from which at midnight they issued with a loud cry, ‘The Virgin has brought forth! The light is waxing [stronger]!’

“The Egyptians even represented the new-born sun by the image of an infant which on his birthday, the winter solstice, they brought forth and exhibited to his worshippers. No doubt the Virgin who thus conceived and bore a son on the twenty-fifth of December was the great Oriental [i.e., Middle Eastern] goddess whom the Semites called the Heavenly Virgin or simply the Heavenly Goddess; in Semitic lands she was a form of Astarte [Easter]” (The Golden Bough, 1993, p. 358, emphasis added throughout) 

If people insist on defending Christmas, at least they should know how it originated.

https://www.ucg.org/the-good-news/christmas-before-christ-the-surprising-truth

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Or i could go to Ireland and be there with my Catholic Mother and other siblings, as they want me to be there smells.

I could work in a homeless shelter of which I actually have before, have you smells?

But you're not a Christian didge, so why participate in a Christian holiday??

Rank hypocrisy

Same as those who have the big white church weddings. Never stepped foot in church before the rehearsal.

Miffs2 wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

But you're not a Christian didge, so why participate in a Christian holiday??

Rank hypocrisy

Same as those who have the big white church weddings. Never stepped foot in church before the rehearsal.

Ah something else that the Christian Church hijacked around the 10th and 11th century

Weddings

Raggamuffin wrote:

Lord Foul wrote:NO-ONE works a bank holiday, they just have a different day to everyone else

I'd like to get rid of te christian "holidays" and go back to the "old ones"

i mean a week statutory holiday for summer and winted solstice, a week long orgy on saturnalia

3 days for the equinox (s)

plus one day intween each celebration

(there are 8 celebratory days in the pagan wheel, the rest are for stuffing your face (and wenches) and getting pissed/stoned.

What do you mean no one works on a bank holiday?

By law, if you work a bank holiday (say xmas day) you are entitled to a day off at another time in lieu

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

Happy to attack Christianity but also happy to take the time off for a Christian holiday

Happy to take time off when its a public holiday..

It's take take take with you

How convenient

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Happy to take time off when its a public holiday..

It's take take take with you

How convenient

Oh dear someones tired again and you have only just woken from your last nap as well.

How come its always the 'mothers' fault?

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

It's take take take with you

How convenient

Oh dear someones tired again and you have only just woken from your last nap as well.

calm down didge im only busting your chops buddy.

sheesh you're so easy to wind up

do you think if someone said to me that they were making eid a bank holiday that ole smelly bandit would say "no thanks i prefer to work".

hells no, i be celebrating eid by drinking beer and eating bacon off of some American flag bikini clad chicks ass

Syl wrote:How come its always the 'mothers' fault?

because you're bad mother??

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Oh dear someones tired again and you have only just woken from your last nap as well.

calm down didge im only busting your chops buddy.

sheesh you're so easy to wind up

do you think if someone said to me that they were making eid a bank holiday that ole smelly bandit would say "no thanks i prefer to work".

hells no, i be celebrating eid by drinking beer and eating bacon off of some American flag bikini clad chicks ass

I am fine buddy

So you would be basically shooting your load then?

smelly-bandit wrote:

Syl wrote:How come its always the 'mothers' fault?

because you're  bad mother??

Still trying to goad??
Try harder.

Syl wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

because you're  bad mother??

Still trying to goad??
Try harder.

im not known for goading people syl, unless of course you consider my questioning of your morality "goading"

if you do then maybe your morality needs looking at

Thorin wrote:

smelly-bandit wrote:

calm down didge im only busting your chops buddy.

sheesh you're so easy to wind up

do you think if someone said to me that they were making eid a bank holiday that ole smelly bandit would say "no thanks i prefer to work".

hells no, i be celebrating eid by drinking beer and eating bacon off of some American flag bikini clad chicks ass

I am fine buddy

So you would be basically shooting your load then?

you sound fine

smelly-bandit wrote:

Thorin wrote:


I am fine buddy

So you would be basically shooting your load then?

you sound fine

Thanks