Are liberal teachers brainwashing children in schools?

Firstly my own disclaimer: this is a Katie Hopkins article in the Daily Mail (horrid paper), so I'm not sure how much of it is true....a lot of 'parent hearsay'.
I'm putting this here for discussion as I think it's rather interesting:


KATIE HOPKINS: Schools are supposed to teach kids HOW to think for themselves, not WHAT to think. So why are so many liberal teachers bullying and brain-washing children with their own intolerant views?

Are you sitting comfortably, children? Then I have a creative task for you. Tell me, is this poem from the Bush era, still relevant today?

'When the president talks to god

Does he ever think that maybe he's not?

That that voice is just inside his head

When he kneels next to the presidential bed

Does he ever smell his own bulls**t When the president talks to god.

I doubt it. I doubt it.'

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is being taught in British schools. Teachers asking children to think about Trump and his bulls**t. And whether he smells it.

Do they smell their own I wonder? I doubt it, I doubt it.


Thirteen-year-old children were given this poem in a 'creative writing task', and were asked to imagine 'how Trump would react'


Another teacher made protest banners with her class of twelve-year-olds (I repeat: twelve-year-olds) which she took along to the protest against Trump outside Westminster.

She even had a pathetic picture taken to commemorate the occasion.

Tell me: would you be happy if this was the teacher of your twelve-year-old?

Even as my suspicions have been growing about the indoctrination of our young children by so-called liberals, so has the number of stories arriving in my inbox.

Worried parents whose little kids come home repeating opinions they have been taught in school, rather than lessons, wondering how they should talk to the school about it without getting their kids into trouble.

Children being taught that Trump is a bad man and a racist. That Brexit is wrong. That the correct answer is Clinton.

A young man aged 17 from Hertfordshire was ostracised from his politics class for daring to admit he supported Trump. He was told by the teacher to have 'less strong views' and was isolated by his class.

Eventually he dropped the subject completely because no one would sit with him or talk to him.

A child isolated for his opinion and hounded for his views.  

Another worried mother, Rachel from Solihull recounts that her eight-year-old came home from primary school and asked her why she liked Trump when he is a racist and hates women.

And then this from a mum in Bournemouth

'My seven-year-old daughter came home from school saying she had been learning Donald Trump's job is to take care of all the people but he doesn't because he is a nasty evil man.

'I asked her why, and she said ... in school they had been shown a newspaper of a little girl holding up a sign saying 'not my President' because Trump had held a book and sworn to take care of all people but he lied.

'Because American people don't have newspapers, they cannot see what a horrible man he really is and what he is really like. And a lady wanted to be president and she actually got more votes than him. But they still let him win. And that's not fair.'


Much more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4194048/KATIE-HOPKINS-liberal-brainwashing-schools.html#ixzz4XwsKYiqC


This was pinned to a classroom wall by a teacher. I think it holds a lovely message actually but is it too political for children?

What,  exactly is a "liberal" teacher  ???

Despite often reading about their prevalence online and in newspaper 'letters' pages,  how come we don't seem to meet that many of them in real life  ???

The way that those demagogues like Hopkins, Bill O'Reilly and the Dumpster carry on, you could be forgiven for expecting that every second teacher that one meets, should be a raving marxist/liberal/lefty/radical, determined to bring down modern society as we know it ..      

I wonder if Katie Hopkins grew up on a diet of Rudyard Kippling poems, Biggles novels and Sunday School fables  ?

I liked all them,,,, what did you read, Marx @ Lenin?

I've read Marx's Communist Manifesto. Lovely ideal but not practical in the real world. I would wager there are few who use the term 'Marxist' who actually have a clue what he talked about.

As to this teacher. Well they certainly shouldn't have used that poem. But I think this is more a problem of the individual or a few individuals than 'liberals' as a whole.

I don't think the poem is a good idea....if a discussion is about America and it's president it should start somewhere on middle ground and see where the debate goes....the poem makes it all one sided from the start.

The sign is good...EXCEPT, picking out certain groups, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, females, gays, etc is obviously ignoring certain groups (Whites and males for eg) so maybe just giving the message that EVERYONE is equal and respected, would have sufficed.

eddie wrote:Firstly my own disclaimer: this is a Katie Hopkins article in the Daily Mail (horrid paper), so I'm not sure how much of it is true....a lot of 'parent hearsay'.
I'm putting this here for discussion as I think it's rather interesting:


KATIE HOPKINS: Schools are supposed to teach kids HOW to think for themselves, not WHAT to think. So why are so many liberal teachers bullying and brain-washing children with their own intolerant views?

Are you sitting comfortably, children? Then I have a creative task for you. Tell me, is this poem from the Bush era, still relevant today?

'When the president talks to god

Does he ever think that maybe he's not?

That that voice is just inside his head

When he kneels next to the presidential bed

Does he ever smell his own bulls**t When the president talks to god.

I doubt it. I doubt it.'

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is being taught in British schools. Teachers asking children to think about Trump and his bulls**t. And whether he smells it.

Do they smell their own I wonder? I doubt it, I doubt it.


Thirteen-year-old children were given this poem in a 'creative writing task', and were asked to imagine 'how Trump would react'


Another teacher made protest banners with her class of twelve-year-olds (I repeat: twelve-year-olds) which she took along to the protest against Trump outside Westminster.

She even had a pathetic picture taken to commemorate the occasion.

Tell me: would you be happy if this was the teacher of your twelve-year-old?

Even as my suspicions have been growing about the indoctrination of our young children by so-called liberals, so has the number of stories arriving in my inbox.

Worried parents whose little kids come home repeating opinions they have been taught in school, rather than lessons, wondering how they should talk to the school about it without getting their kids into trouble.

Children being taught that Trump is a bad man and a racist. That Brexit is wrong. That the correct answer is Clinton.

A young man aged 17 from Hertfordshire was ostracised from his politics class for daring to admit he supported Trump. He was told by the teacher to have 'less strong views' and was isolated by his class.

Eventually he dropped the subject completely because no one would sit with him or talk to him.

A child isolated for his opinion and hounded for his views.  

Another worried mother, Rachel from Solihull recounts that her eight-year-old came home from primary school and asked her why she liked Trump when he is a racist and hates women.

And then this from a mum in Bournemouth

'My seven-year-old daughter came home from school saying she had been learning Donald Trump's job is to take care of all the people but he doesn't because he is a nasty evil man.

'I asked her why, and she said ... in school they had been shown a newspaper of a little girl holding up a sign saying 'not my President' because Trump had held a book and sworn to take care of all people but he lied.

'Because American people don't have newspapers, they cannot see what a horrible man he really is and what he is really like. And a lady wanted to be president and she actually got more votes than him. But they still let him win. And that's not fair.'


Much more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4194048/KATIE-HOPKINS-liberal-brainwashing-schools.html#ixzz4XwsKYiqC


This was pinned to a classroom wall by a teacher. I think it holds a lovely message actually but is it too political for children?

Well done Hopkins for writing about this and publicising it!

We all know this sort of shit is happening... and it is very wrong and those responsible for pushing/imposing their personal political/lifestyle views onto children should be facing misconduct charges!!!

Interestingly, these leftie twats are constantly preaching 'equality/diversity/inclusivity/tolerance/fairness' etc but in the article it mentions an example of where someone who doesn't follow the dictated way of thinking is punished and suddenly they and their opinion doesn't qualify for any of the 'equality/diversity/inclusivity/tolerance/fairness'...


The only time a teacher should be allowed to get into the realms of politics with children, Is when they are actually a teacher of politics conducting a politics class to a group of students there to study politics... and even then they should not be using it as a platform to preach/push/impose their own personal political views!!!

I agree that pushing a political idea on a child is wrong, much like forcing a religion on them, I guess?

I have to say though, that it's just all hearsay and earlier, when I tried to find this story in other media online sources, I could not. So it's the Sun's word and we all know it's a paper that deals in fuckeries.

Also, they discuss politics at my son's school - last year of high school - and he tells me all the things they discuss and not once, has a teacher ever directly expressed their opinion unless asked. My son would be the first to complain if he felt he was being force-fed anything.

Yeah...I would take anything agenda ridden publicity hungry Katie Hopkins says with a pinch of salt.
However, it only takes one teacher who wishes to push their political/social/sexual opinions out to influence dozens, even hundreds of kids.

Eddie... if Hopkins created this article herself from her own research and sources, as it looks like she has, then of course you wouldn't find other versions/media sources elsewhere!

Also... you mentioned your boys 'politics class' experience... I would be very surprised if it was what i would like to see being taught, the objective teaching of what govts actually are, what they are supposed to do, how they work/operate/function etc, the various different systems/types of govt with historical examples/contexts etc... then a focus on our (supposed) system "democracy", origin/meaning/history, then further focus on recent couple centuries of uk history... just for starters!!!


But I bet the 'politics class' was none of this at all... but instead something much more predictable... like a lefty teacher leading a biased and agenda driven guided tour (controlled discussion) round some of their favourite pc examples of 'enrichment' through 'celebrating multiculturalism and diversity' etc...

No Tommy. The class was discussing the American election on the day it happened and also Brexit and it was one huge debate and discussion. It does happen in schools you know....fair-minded debate.  Their teacher won't even tell them whether he's an atheist or not until the very last day of school so as not to influence religious debate.  
I don't know why you're doubting what I'm saying.

And I'll tell you something further: poltics does NOT get discussed in primary schools with children of the average age five or six.  
It doesn't happen. I think it's bollocks to be completely honest and those parents would be advised to go to the school governing fucking body to report that shit.

eddie wrote:No Tommy. The class was discussing the American election on the day it happened and also Brexit and it was one huge debate and discussion. It does happen in schools you know....fair-minded debate.  Their teacher won't even tell them whether he's an atheist or not until the very last day of school so as not to influence religious debate.  
I don't know why you're doubting what I'm saying.

And I'll tell you something further: poltics does NOT get discussed in primary schools with children of the average age five or six.  
It doesn't happen. I think it's bollocks to be completely honest and those parents would be advised to go to the school governing fucking body to report that shit.

Like I said Ed... and as you just conceded... not an education on the foundations of what govt/politics actually is, what it does, where it comes from, how it works, historical context and examples, various forms of, political constructs/movements within, democracy (history of/ours/principles/workings of etc)...


But more just a teacher led/controlled 'discussion' where only the typical leftie waffle opinions are encouraged as being 'correct'...


And the only things 5-6 year old kids should be doing in class is playing with painting and building stuff out of Lego etc...

So you think slightly older school children shouldn't encouraged to give and debate opinions, tommy?

The example in the OP, if true, is an example of one bad teacher, not something endemic in all institutions, however much you rave that it is.

Don't you think slightly older students should be encouraged to discuss issues?

eddie wrote:I agree that pushing a political idea on a child is wrong, much like forcing a religion on them, I guess?

I have to say though, that it's just all hearsay and earlier, when I tried to find this story in other media online sources, I could not. So it's the Sun's word and we all know it's a paper that deals in fuckeries.

Also, they discuss politics at my son's school - last year of high school - and he tells me all the things they discuss and not once, has a teacher ever directly expressed their opinion unless asked. My son would be the first to complain if he felt he was being force-fed anything.

So do religious schools exist?
Op is invalid then

Public schooling is a program BASED entirely in socialist theory, Pure capitalist societies would not have state funded education. it is counter to the ideals of capitalism to have any state funded services that can be provided by the market.
Therefore, all public schools should teach the merits of socialism like religious schools teach the merits of their religion. simply teaching the ideals that allow them to exist

and it is not political to tell kids they are loved regardless of what outdated assholes say, which is why you need to point out the different categories, too many children are told that 'this group' is different they're 'not normal' they are re 'deviant' etc. thus saying 'everyone' is actually exclusive because of backward conservative that think they hold the keys to the definition of normal.
Literally we have seen posters on here do that to other posters on here.

Teaching 'Progressive liberal' ideals like conservative teach and expect their conservative ideals to be taught would be teaching students that "conservatives are obsolete and need to be fought against to allow 'progress and improvement' that they are fundamentally against.."

This goes back to the complaints Manning made of Obama. Progressives allow Conservatives to define as negative the progressive neutral-stance. Progressives should be more active in opposing conservativism and define it properly, as 'individuals and groups that oppose progress and improvement' or simple 'obsolete individuals' ...

Tommy why does this discussion/debate that my son's teacher have with his class, have to have a motive behind it in your eyes?

eddie wrote:No Tommy. The class was discussing the American election on the day it happened and also Brexit and it was one huge debate and discussion. It does happen in schools you know....fair-minded debate.  Their teacher won't even tell them whether he's an atheist or not until the very last day of school so as not to influence religious debate.  
I don't know why you're doubting what I'm saying.

And I'll tell you something further: poltics does NOT get discussed in primary schools with children of the average age five or six.  
It doesn't happen. I think it's bollocks to be completely honest and those parents would be advised to go to the school governing fucking body to report that shit.

I agree...

That story reported in The Sun is a total crock..

Most likely fabricated purely to promote discussion and foment more propaganda from the likes of poor little Tommykins.

Eilzel wrote:So you think slightly older school children shouldn't encouraged to give and debate opinions, tommy?

The example in the OP, if true, is an example of one bad teacher, not something endemic in all institutions, however much you rave that it is.

Don't you think slightly older students should be encouraged to discuss issues?

After they have been given the information I suggested, yes...

I actually fail to see what is wrong here.

A poem has been presented.

No views are expressed on the poem, just questions.

Views are asked to have the students use empathic intelligence on what might the present President might think of this poem.

It also asks if the poem is relevant too today. (a hint, this poem, may not have been written recently, it was from the Bush)

The teacher is asking the students to be critical in their thinking..

Teaching students is making them think critically.

It does not ask whether they agreed with the poem.

So what can someone show me what brainwashing is going on, when its just a very immature poem presented and asking students to critically think?

The other picture if you look, is posted on an event wall.

Its claimed its too political?

How exactly?

If anything is trying to teach children, that all students are accepted and welcome.

Its attempting to combat poor stereotypes.

How is that political?

Its teaching equality and can someone tell me what is wrong with that?

I thought American society was based on equality and Liberal values, like secularism, welcome people from all walks of life? True secularism, is allowing for all people to express their views.

How is that different in any other school?

Now if a teacher was being really political. They would not be asking questions, but giving their own biased and demeaning view. In each picture I see none of these claims made.

eddie wrote:Tommy why does this discussion/debate that my son's teacher have with his class, have to have a motive behind it in your eyes?

Well... for a start... why conflate two totally different/separate topics...?
(American presidential election and uk referendum on continued eu membership)

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:Tommy why does this discussion/debate that my son's teacher have with his class, have to have a motive behind it in your eyes?

Well... for a start... why conflate two totally different/separate topics...?
(American presidential election and uk referendum on continued eu membership)

There is no doubt some teachers who hold Far left views and also the other way. Of which I experienced in my own days were very political. Of which I had a major set too with one, when it was a French lesson and he was a commie. In fact it was the one time my dad came to the school and the teacher was pulled up over. As the lesson had nothing to do with politics. I actually rose to the challenge with the teacher and why i was pulled up with the headmaster. Of which my dad came to my defense. The reality is the teacher did not like me having any critical views and expected me to respect his. He was not a Liberal but an illiberal, which is what is the difference.

This article has two pictures and then makes poor claims off them, when there is nothing illiberal about the pictures and the tasks asked. If teachers ostracized pupils for their views, then they conflict with every single liberal value and are regressive's.

Hence why the title on liberalism being indoctrinated is a crock of shit.

We are already a liberal society and its a British value, which is clearly already taught in schools.

Teachers who are ostracizing students for their views, should be disciplined, because they should remain impartial. The sign teaching equality and tolerance is impartial, so is the excercize on the poem.

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Well... for a start... why conflate two totally different/separate topics...?
(American presidential election and uk referendum on continued eu membership)

There is no doubt some teachers who hold Far left views and also the other way. Of which I experienced in my own days were very political. Of which I had a major set too with one, when it was a French lesson and he was a commie. In fact it was the one time my dad came to the school and the teacher was pulled up over. As the lesson had nothing to do with politics. I actually rose to the challenge with the teacher and why i was pulled up with the headmaster. Of which my dad came to my defense. The reality is the teacher did not like me having any critical views and expected me to respect his. He was not a Liberal but an illiberal, which is what is the difference.

This article has two pictures and then makes poor claims off them, when there is nothing illiberal about the pictures and the tasks asked. If teachers ostracized pupils for their views, then they conflict with every single liberal value and are regressive's.

Hence why the title on liberalism being indoctrinated is a crock of shit.

We are already a liberal society and its a British value, which is clearly already taught in schools.

Teachers who are ostracizing students for their views, should be disciplined, because they should remain impartial. The sign teaching equality and tolerance is impartial, so is the excercize on the poem.

You are just confirming that a certain pc/leftie/liberal/'progressive' way of thinking is being enforced on children...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Thorin wrote:

There is no doubt some teachers who hold Far left views and also the other way. Of which I experienced in my own days were very political. Of which I had a major set too with one, when it was a French lesson and he was a commie. In fact it was the one time my dad came to the school and the teacher was pulled up over. As the lesson had nothing to do with politics. I actually rose to the challenge with the teacher and why i was pulled up with the headmaster. Of which my dad came to my defense. The reality is the teacher did not like me having any critical views and expected me to respect his. He was not a Liberal but an illiberal, which is what is the difference.

This article has two pictures and then makes poor claims off them, when there is nothing illiberal about the pictures and the tasks asked. If teachers ostracized pupils for their views, then they conflict with every single liberal value and are regressive's.

Hence why the title on liberalism being indoctrinated is a crock of shit.

We are already a liberal society and its a British value, which is clearly already taught in schools.

Teachers who are ostracizing students for their views, should be disciplined, because they should remain impartial. The sign teaching equality and tolerance is impartial, so is the excercize on the poem.

You are just confirming that a certain pc/leftie/liberal/'progressive' way of thinking is being enforced on children...

Enforced?

British values, are based on Liberal values and secularism.
Please show me where they are not.

Equality
Free speech
Freedom of expression
Civil Rights
Civil Liberties
Human rights
Political freedoms
Open Society
Democracy
Ect

How is that a PC agenda? This is what the Uk system is based on.

It seems you would be more at home with something more totalitarian.
Something like sharia law maybe?

Sounds more like the promotion of all the regular leftie pc waffle to me...

Tommy Monk wrote:Sounds more like the promotion of all the regular leftie pc waffle to me...

So you are against the following

Equality
Free speech
Freedom of expression
Civil Rights
Civil Liberties
Human rights
Political freedoms
Open Society
Democracy
Ect

All these things allow for people to have their own views and express them.
Which is odd, as you claim this is wrong, even though you hold views and express them different to this, which you would never be allowed to do without Liberalism.

Irony at its best.

Thorin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Sounds more like the promotion of all the regular leftie pc waffle to me...

So you are against the following

Equality
Free speech
Freedom of expression
Civil Rights
Civil Liberties
Human rights
Political freedoms
Open Society
Democracy
Ect

All these things allow for people to have their own views and express them.
Which is odd, as you claim this is wrong, even though you hold views and express them different to this, which you would never be allowed to do without Liberalism.

Irony at its best.

I think
Tommy Support the More traditional British values of

Racism
oppression
Classism
Cap doffing
No rights for non-brits
denial of humanity to other humans
theft
insular ignorance
Sexual oppression

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:Tommy why does this discussion/debate that my son's teacher have with his class, have to have a motive behind it in your eyes?

Well... for a start... why conflate two totally different/separate topics...?
(American presidential election and uk referendum on continued eu membership)

They were discussing politics - first the American election and then Brexit. What's so hard to understand?
Jesus, you're like a detective who thinks he's a dog chasing an imaginary tail.

veya_victaous wrote:

Thorin wrote:

So you are against the following

Equality
Free speech
Freedom of expression
Civil Rights
Civil Liberties
Human rights
Political freedoms
Open Society
Democracy
Ect

All these things allow for people to have their own views and express them.
Which is odd, as you claim this is wrong, even though you hold views and express them different to this, which you would never be allowed to do without Liberalism.

Irony at its best.

I think
Tommy Support the More traditional British values of

Racism
oppression
Classism
Cap doffing
No rights for non-brits
denial of humanity to other humans
theft
insular ignorance
Sexual oppression

A tad unfair lol, but not far off the mark and certainly nothing like British



This is the problem Veya, those opposed to Liberalism, fight against it using Liberal values.
In other words they contradict themselves

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


Well... for a start... why conflate two totally different/separate topics...?
(American presidential election and uk referendum on continued eu membership)

They were discussing politics - first the American election and then Brexit. What's so hard to understand?
Jesus,  you're like a detective who thinks he's a dog chasing an imaginary tail.

No... they were not discussing/exploring the topic of politics... they were having a very controlled teacher led guided tour round the leftie/liberal/progressive thought garden...


And I can imagine just how it went... Trump and brexit are bad cos they are both racist... Muslims are great and loads more mass immigration must be allowed because anything else is racist and just like the Nazis etc...

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:

They were discussing politics - first the American election and then Brexit. What's so hard to understand?
Jesus,  you're like a detective who thinks he's a dog chasing an imaginary tail.

No... they were not discussing/exploring the topic of politics... they were having a very controlled teacher led guided tour round the leftie/liberal/progressive thought garden...


And I can imagine just how it went... Trump and brexit are bad cos they are both racist... Muslims are great and loads more mass immigration must be allowed because anything else is racist and just like the Nazis etc...

How was it controlled?

Not sure how controlled something is when you ask students to place themselves in the position of a President.

So by your reasoning, you must think Muslims are bad Tommy?

Is that correct?

Based on bad ideas, should we be worried about you?

What has usa pres election got to do with uk eu referendum...?

Okay let me try and explain this to you so you can follow it one more time:

My son is an A* student as are the rest of his intelligent classmates. On the day of the US election they had a lesson and because the teacher treats them as independent free-thinking adults, he said let's leave today's lesson and chat about the American election. The floor was open, he gave no opinion becasue I asked my son myself; "What does your teacher think of the election?" My son replied that during class debates and discussions teacher will rarely give an answer even when pushed and teased by the class.
Now, firstly, my son isn't stupid. Far from it. He is an incredibly self-reliant human and thinks his own thoughts and I actually values his opinion on many things - he's pretty similar to me, so we have good communication.

Secondly, I am in total surprise that you would be so paranoid that you'd think teachers go around brainwashing children with their own political agenda. I'm not saying that has never happened - but you're doubting what I'm telling you in this instance.
Unless you choose to believe me, the conversation is pretty much done.

Tommy Monk wrote:What has usa pres election got to do with uk eu referendum...?

When democracy is abused..

Show me in the poem lesson, and the other picture where it asked this Tommy?

Tommy Monk wrote:What has usa pres election got to do with uk eu referendum...?

Are you actually fucking winding me up?

eddie wrote:Okay let me try and explain this to you so you can follow it one more time:

My son is an A* student as are the rest of his intelligent classmates. On the day of the US election they had a lesson and because the teacher treats them as independent free-thinking adults, he said let's leave today's lesson and chat about the American election. The floor was open, he gave no opinion becasue I asked my son myself; "What does your teacher think of the election?" My son replied that during class debates and discussions teacher will rarely give an answer even when pushed and teased by the class.
Now, firstly, my son isn't stupid. Far from it. He is an incredibly self-reliant human and thinks his own thoughts and I actually values his opinion on many things - he's pretty similar to me, so we have good communication.

Secondly, I am in total surprise that you would be so paranoid that you'd think teachers go around brainwashing children with their own political agenda. I'm not saying that has never happened - but you're doubting what I'm telling you in this instance.
Unless you choose to believe me, the conversation is pretty much done.

Suggestion is a powerful influence...


Usa pres election has nothing to do with uk eu referendum.


And I bet my summary of the class debate is 100% accurate.

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:Okay let me try and explain this to you so you can follow it one more time:

My son is an A* student as are the rest of his intelligent classmates. On the day of the US election they had a lesson and because the teacher treats them as independent free-thinking adults, he said let's leave today's lesson and chat about the American election. The floor was open, he gave no opinion becasue I asked my son myself; "What does your teacher think of the election?" My son replied that during class debates and discussions teacher will rarely give an answer even when pushed and teased by the class.
Now, firstly, my son isn't stupid. Far from it. He is an incredibly self-reliant human and thinks his own thoughts and I actually values his opinion on many things - he's pretty similar to me, so we have good communication.

Secondly, I am in total surprise that you would be so paranoid that you'd think teachers go around brainwashing children with their own political agenda. I'm not saying that has never happened - but you're doubting what I'm telling you in this instance.
Unless you choose to believe me, the conversation is pretty much done.

Suggestion is a powerful influence...


Usa pres election has nothing to do with uk eu referendum.


And I bet my summary of the class debate is 100% accurate.

Suggestion?

Are you saying you were brainwashed at school Tommy and now cannot think for yourself?

I wonder what would have happened if one of the class had declared that they thought trump was great and was in support of the building of the wall on border with Mexico, and supported the travel ban on the 7 countries, and supported the tougher action in deporting illegal immigrants etc...?





I'm sure those views would have been given the same 'freedom and equality' that the others were...

Tommy Monk wrote:

I wonder what would have happened if one of the class had declared that they thought trump was great and was in support of the building of the wall on border with Mexico, and supported the travel ban on the 7 countries, and supported the tougher action in deporting illegal immigrants etc...?





I'm sure those views would have been given the same 'freedom and equality' that the others were...

Maybe you can show where the questions asked of the students reflect that?
Or are you also so despate to deflect Tommy?
So ok, you are a teacher. Explain, how Trump thinks its okay to grab a pussy? To your students?

Maybe the teacher should have been showing the video of democrat president bill clinton telling the world how he did not have sexual relations with the woman who he had sexual relations with...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

Maybe the teacher should have been showing the video of democrat president bill clinton telling the world how he did not have sexual relations with the woman who he had sexual relations with...!?

So you want to combine current history with infidelity in regards to a poem, that has zero connection?

the teacher should be holding up people like tommy as the Reason why Progressive ideologies are so important
the world would not function if filled with people as foolish as him.

And if they said they support Trump etc. they WOULD be given the same treatment as progressive views, Reviewed Discussed and the logical outcome identified ..
that is literally all that happens the Problem is that Conservative like to believe in Illogical fairytales and other bullshit that when Reviewed and educated discussion held are found to be Shitty poorly thought out beliefs of cowards and incompetents or those with highly vested interest in maintaining the status quo

Tommy is such a fucking idiot on this topic, I don't even believe he has any children in real life...

Only in his imagination, a fake "family" -- invented purely to add weight to the kind of shit he posts on here..

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:What has usa pres election got to do with uk eu referendum...?

Are you actually fucking winding me up?

No... serious question.

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:What has usa pres election got to do with uk eu referendum...?

Are you actually fucking winding me up?

No... serious question.

You never been in a discussion that led somewhere else, Tommy?

This is how I see it: you are looking through your little glasses, peering out at life as you think you see it, scared to death, whilst waiting for the "good old days" to come skipping back down the road.
It's made you paranoid.

No... I've seen a lot that makes me wise...

Tommy Monk wrote:No... I've seen a lot that makes me wise...

You're talking absolute wank.

Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

Tommy Monk wrote:Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

No Tommy. I just think you're actually ultra-paranoid and I also know that you have absolutely no concept of intelligent 15 and 16 year olds now. All the information they gather and read and digest are off the Internet so they have a huge variety of opinion to choose from. This isn't a generation that watches the news.
I have many of these clever young creatures eating round my dinner table on any given night and their intelligence, knowledge on world affairs and fairness, would put you to shame.

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

No Tommy. I just think you're actually ultra-paranoid and I also know that you have absolutely no concept of intelligent 15 and 16 year olds now. All the information they gather and read and digest are off the Internet so they have a huge variety of opinion to choose from. This isn't a generation that watches the news.
I have many of these clever young creatures eating round my dinner table on any given night and their intelligence, knowledge on world affairs  and fairness, would put you to shame.

Social media 'echo chambers'...!?

Tommy Monk wrote:

eddie wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

No Tommy. I just think you're actually ultra-paranoid and I also know that you have absolutely no concept of intelligent 15 and 16 year olds now. All the information they gather and read and digest are off the Internet so they have a huge variety of opinion to choose from. This isn't a generation that watches the news.
I have many of these clever young creatures eating round my dinner table on any given night and their intelligence, knowledge on world affairs  and fairness, would put you to shame.

Social media 'echo chambers'...!?

Same as what you read then? Where do you get your news....1920?

"...Suck, suck your teenage thumb. Toilet trained and dumb. When the power runs out. We'll just hum..."