Turkey - Was the coup real or a set up so Erdogan could gobble up even more power?

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:00 pm

"...Following the failed coup, the government moved swiftly to shore up President Erdogan's power and remove those perceived as an enemy, saying on Sunday it had detained 6,000 people.

The crackdown targeted not only generals and soldiers, but a wide swathe of the judiciary that has sometimes blocked Mr Erdogan, raising concerns that the effort to oust him will push Turkey even further into authoritarian rule.

Conspiracy theorists are saying the attempted military coup was faked, comparing it to the Reichstag fire - the 1933 arson attack on the German parliament building used by Hitler as an excuse to suspend civil liberties and order mass arrests of his opponents.

Some of the soldiers detained following the coup reportedly told interrogators they were not aware they were part of a coup attempt and had been told by commanders they were taking part in military manoeuvres.

The swift rounding up of judges and others allegedly involved in the coup indicated the government had prepared a list beforehand, the EU commissioner dealing with Turkey's membership bid said.

"It looks at least as if something has been prepared. The lists are available, which indicates it was prepared and to be used at a certain stage," Johannes Hahn said.

"I'm very concerned. It is exactly what we feared."

Observers said the scale of the crackdown, especially against the judiciary, indicated the government was taking the opportunity to further consolidate Mr Erdogan's power..."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-attempt-rebel-jets-had-erdogans-plane-in-their-sights-but-did-not-fire-a7142116.html

by Raggamuffin Mon Jul 18, 2016 9:36 pm

I'm having trouble understanding this coup. Is Erdogan too Islamic or not Islamic enough?

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:41 am

the failed coup was saying he was too Islamic

it may indeed be a false flag operation to let the President grab more power.

the fact they those rounded up beyond the soldiers include university lecturers that spoke out against him in favour of secular policy is not good

by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:52 am

veya_victaous wrote:the failed coup was saying he was too Islamic

it may indeed be a false flag operation to let the President grab more power.

the fact they those rounded up beyond the soldiers include university lecturers that spoke out against him in favour of secular policy is not good

Yipper, nothing like staging a 'FAKE COUP' to enact military law and the 'Hammer of Justice' and the total control looks so natural and quite effective too! Suspect

by eddie Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:30 am

So you lot can believe something that big can be a false flag and yet I'm a loon for suggesting it about other things?

Rolling Eyes

by Eilzel Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:36 am

In the US the gun control debate, and gun attacks, have been going on for years. The only thing that varies is the intensity of the attacks. It seems odd some attacks are cited as false flags, while others are not.

In this case, and I am not convinced it was staged yet, it is a sudden thing no one expected and plays to Erdogan's wishes. There is more reason to believe this 'out of nowhere' attempted coup followed by immediate clamp down, was set up.

Another shooting in a long line of shootings- not so much.

by eddie Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:48 am

I don't know enough - should I say, I haven't read enough, to make a call either way.
Lbw good to get Dean's take on it. I read flap last night and there was a thread about him and his experience of that nightc

by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:31 am

eddie wrote:So you lot can believe something that big can be a false flag and yet I'm a loon for suggesting it about other things?

Well, I've never written or used that word ...LOON!
Yet the type of dictatorship coup has been used before to take over a countries own resources - oust the controlling leader - declare military rule with out an election that might not go the direction that the opposition party wants it toand elections take along time ...do you read any of the historical military coup's that have happen in just our lifetimes? Turkey - Was the coup real or a set up so Erdogan could gobble up even more power? 202592697

Turkey - Was the coup real or a set up so Erdogan could gobble up even more power? 202592697

by Raggamuffin Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:07 pm

Hmmmm, Erdogan's response to the coup will surely hinder Turkey's bid to join the EU, so I'm not sure he would risk that on purpose. It might even threaten their membership of NATO.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-could-threaten-countrys-nato-membership-john-kerry-warns-a7142491.html

by eddie Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:12 pm

Was just about to post that link. Turkey is going to kick off big style this year. Holidays there are ridiculously cheap!

by HoratioTarr Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:15 pm

eddie wrote:Was just about to post that link. Turkey is going to kick off big style this year. Holidays there are ridiculously cheap!

Who the hell wants to go there now?

by eddie Tue Jul 19, 2016 3:22 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
eddie wrote:Was just about to post that link. Turkey is going to kick off big style this year. Holidays there are ridiculously cheap!

Who the hell wants to go there now?

I know a couple of people. They simply said they don't care and "it can happen anywhere"

That was before Oliver's army decided to rampage through the country though.

by Tommy Monk Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:31 pm

Teachers and civil servants being sacked in the thousands now...

by Raggamuffin Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Teachers and civil servants being sacked in the thousands now...

21,000 teachers sacked!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/19/turkey-demands-resignation-of-every-university-dean-in-country-a/

by eddie Tue Jul 19, 2016 8:59 pm

This is actual madness. He can't do that surely?

by Raggamuffin Tue Jul 19, 2016 9:09 pm

There are reports that Erdogan will use the coup to turn Turkey towards full-scale Islamisation. I don't think they'll be joining the EU as their values will be incompatible.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-coup-president-erdogan-islam-akp-government-a7142836.html

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:25 pm

There's a real diplomatic bun fight going on at the moment between Turkey and the USA with the Turks implying that the USA were somehow involved in the Coup.

The Turks are calling for the immediate extradition of an Islamic cleric named Gulen who the Turks say started it all off.

My grandson just got back from Marmaris about 10 days ago so glad he's out of it. Say's it was very quiet around the resort but he still enjoyed it.

by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:33 pm

Irn Bru wrote:There's a real diplomatic bun fight going on at the moment between Turkey and the USA with the Turks implying that the USA were somehow involved in the Coup.

The Turks are calling for the immediate extradition of an Islamic cleric named Gulen who the Turks say started it all off.

My grandson just got back from Marmaris about 10 days ago so glad he's out of it. Say's it was very quiet around the resort but he still enjoyed it.

Least we forget about those 'Cold War-era Nuclear Weapons' still stored in Turkey - not somuchadoaboutnothing if those are kept out of the coup hands or terrorist that seem to use this country as a revolving door safe haven!

How safe are US nukes in Turkey?
By Barbara Starr and Ryan Browne, CNN

Updated 2:29 PM ET, Tue July 19, 2016
Washington (CNN)As Turkey deals with the fallout of a failed coup, the country's fragility and proximity to Islamic terrorism have raised questions about the safety of US nuclear weapons stationed there.
Most experts believe that the US maintains 50 nuclear weapons in Turkey housed at the US air base at Incirlik. The weapons are Cold War-era B-61 "gravity" bombs.

"It's an open secret" the bombs are at Incirlik, Joshua Walker of the German Marshall Fund, who specializes on US-Turkey relations, told CNN.
Turkish authorities encircled the base, cut off the power supply and temporary closed the airspace around Incirlik as they fought off the coup launched on Friday.
Incirlik, a joint US-Turkish air base, was established in the 1950s in southeastern Turkey. The base has played a critical role in the fight against ISIS, as the US launches strikes into nearby Syria.
While the Pentagon will not publicly confirm the presence of nuclear weapons at Incirlik, US officials are saying all American weapons in Turkey remain safely in US hands.
"We've taken all those steps that we need to take to make sure that everything that we control in Turkey is safe and secure," Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told reporters Monday.
There is also no indication that US military personnel or technical experts from the Department of Energy went to Turkey to provide further oversight for the weapons or to move them outside of Turkey due to concerns about their security.
But if that were to happen, it would be such a highly classified operation that only a small handful of personnel in addition to the President would know about it, a US official told CNN.
While US aircraft, weapons and personnel at Incirlik are located on a separate portion of the base from where Turkish forces operate, within hours of the attempted coup, the US raised force protection levels for its 2,700 military personnel in Turkey, including Incirlik, to its highest classification.
The condition, "Delta," technically indicates an attack is imminent.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/19/politics/us-nuclear-weapons-turkey-attempted-coup/index.html#

But isn't it just sad - shocking even that this entire event seemed to, yet again miss our surveillance and nothing appeared on the radar {paraphrased} so that our CIA/Sec. of State John Kerry would know WTH was coming down?

by Guest Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:35 pm

eddie wrote:This is actual madness. He can't do that surely?

And people thought Castro was a lunatic, that he'd be over thrown within months of his military coup of Cuba Shocked

by veya_victaous Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:11 am

eddie wrote:So you lot can believe something that big can be a false flag and yet I'm a loon for suggesting it about other things?

I have said that 9/11 could be a flase flag operation but the 'planning' many of the conspiracies give is silly

much like this there coulsd be something that you let come to a head Knowing you can stomp it when you are ready to
and use it as excuse to do what they want.

by Tommy Monk Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:09 pm

Erdogan has now extended the time people can be held without charge to 30 days.

And ordered closure of 1000 private schools and more than 1200 associations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36874145

I remember our labour govt increasing the time people could be held by police without charge too...

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2008/06/terr-j13.html?view=article_mobile

by nicko Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:25 pm

Isn't this how Hitler started?

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