So what's the number .......Cowards?

Good evening Folks & the Cowards amongst you.

So you all avoided answering the question.......how quaint of you,especially you silly Billy lefties.

What's the limit? What's the number? How many?

How high should the UK population be allowed to rise until a limit is reached?

I'll mark your answers out of 10.

They didn't come Shady, irrelevant.

People emigrate, people immigrate.   Apparently, there might be more going to Romania than coming from it.   You get your nice lacy knickers in a twist, I'm not going to.

Actually I would say we should be aiming for maintaining a steady population around the 60 million mark by looking to control immigration, emigration, births and deaths.

Then again I think the world population should be bought under control aiming for a steady population - around the level seen in 1985 should do it as the number presently considered starving is smaller than the overall population increase since then so obviously the planet can feed that number of people as it is doing so.

Sassy wrote:They didn't come Shady, irrelevant.

People emigrate, people immigrate.   Apparently, there might be more going to Romania than coming from it.   You get your nice lacy knickers in a twist, I'm not going to.

Sassy is a mature pupil who finds it difficult to mix with the other children and has a problem with answering straight forward questions.Hopefully she will improve this term.

Must try harder 1/10.

LOL, so how you going to stabilise births and deaths Sphinx, bump people off and sterilize them?

Shady wrote:

Sassy wrote:They didn't come Shady, irrelevant.

People emigrate, people immigrate.   Apparently, there might be more going to Romania than coming from it.   You get your nice lacy knickers in a twist, I'm not going to.

Sassy is a mature pupil who finds it difficult to mix with the other children and has a problem with answering straight forward questions.Hopefully she will improve this term.

Must try harder 1/10.

Oh bless, know I've got you when you start that tack.        

sphinx wrote:Actually I would say we should be aiming for maintaining a steady population around the 60 million mark by looking to control immigration, emigration, births and deaths.

Then again I think the world population should be bought under control aiming for a steady population - around the level seen in 1985 should do it as the number presently considered starving is smaller than the overall population increase since then so obviously the planet can feed that number of people as it is doing so.

Sphinx is a polite but at times awkward pupil although she does mix well with most of the children.

She does find it difficult to stick to the salient points and tends to chatter which along with myself has caused annoyance with other teachers.

Must try harder.2/10

   

OK people, it's Shady the troll tonight, don't feed the trolls.

Sassy wrote:   

OK people, it's Shady the troll tonight, don't feed the trolls.

Just asking for a number.Why can't you answer the question?

Sassy wrote:LOL, so how you going to stabilise births and deaths Sphinx, bump people off and sterilize them?

Just because I think something should be done does not mean I believe it is possible to do it.

My higher "John Lennon" psyche says it should be possible to educate people to bring about the necessary balance starting with a charity drive to send condoms and contraceptives to famine hit areas rather than food (if we had sent condoms instead of food with live aid in 85 would there be famine now?) My lower "deal with life how it is not how you want it to be" psyche says breeding is a primitive drive and will not be overcome.

My mid to long term predictions are either we manage to develop technology to allow large numbers to leave this planet and live elsewhere or a highly infectious highly fatal infection will develop and take hold wiping out a significant chunk of the population. (world population that is)

Shady wrote:

sphinx wrote:Actually I would say we should be aiming for maintaining a steady population around the 60 million mark by looking to control immigration, emigration, births and deaths.

Then again I think the world population should be bought under control aiming for a steady population - around the level seen in 1985 should do it as the number presently considered starving is smaller than the overall population increase since then so obviously the planet can feed that number of people as it is doing so.

Sphinx is a polite but at times awkward pupil although she does mix well with most of the children.

She does find it difficult to stick to the salient points and tends to chatter which along with myself has caused annoyance with other teachers.

Must try harder.2/10

Me mix well?

What planet are you living on?

Shady wrote:

Sassy wrote:   

OK people, it's Shady the troll tonight, don't feed the trolls.

Just asking for a number.Why can't you answer the question?

Last time, its irrelevent. At the moment we have some more immigrants than emigrants, that could change at any time, and has before.

Sassy wrote:   

OK people, it's Shady the troll tonight, don't feed the trolls.

...But you did last night you wicked woman!

Catman wrote:

Sassy wrote:   

OK people, it's Shady the troll tonight, don't feed the trolls.

...But you did last night you wicked woman!

No, didn't feed him, took the piss, easy peasy lol

Sassy wrote:

Shady wrote:

Just asking for a number.Why can't you answer the question?

Last time, its irrelevent.   At the moment we have some more immigrants than emigrants, that could change at any time, and has before.  

Name calling is the childish way of avoiding a straight forward question which prompts this..



The ships provided a smoke screen for Sassy.

I didn't call you a name did I, and who the hell cares about your ship picture.

The question is irrelevant.

Sassy wrote:I didn't call you a name did I, and who the hell cares about your ship picture.

The question is irrelevant.

....Yes it's a fucking boring picture that he posts time and time again, along with the Zombie one, and the one where someone is being sick..ect   

I seem to remember the last Labour Govt saying ten thousand Poles would come here.

It was a million.

The left are still in denial. Clearly in the minds of the comrades on here facts are simply whitewashed out. How very Soviet Union.

Still Sassy couldn't count to ten thousand let alone really big numbers like a million.

Incidentally I have great respect for the Poles that said how do the comrades propose to get the funds to pay for the schools health services etc.

Still in denial about the deficit as well no doubt.

I don't know what it says about this forum when we get yet another British right-winger, and I'm just breathing a huge sigh of relief that it wasn't Andrea Borman trying to sign up again ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:I don't know what it says about this forum when we get yet another British right-winger, and I'm just breathing a huge sigh of relief that it wasn't Andrea Borman trying to sign up again ...

It's probably Drinky (his original user tag)   ...Didge put a message out on Flap for him to join...He doesn't like Sassy that much!

...He also had the tag 'Bev'.....I'll reserve further comment!

Clarkson wrote:I seem to remember the last Labour Govt saying ten thousand Poles would come here.

It was a million.

The left are still in denial. Clearly in the minds of the comrades on here facts are simply whitewashed out. How very Soviet Union.

Still Sassy couldn't count to ten thousand let alone really big numbers like a million.

  

Clarkson wrote:I seem to remember the last Labour Govt saying ten thousand Poles would come here.

It was a million.

The left are still in denial. Clearly in the minds of the comrades on here facts are simply whitewashed out. How very Soviet Union.

Still Sassy couldn't count to ten thousand let alone really big numbers like a million.

Definitely Drinky, and still obsessed lol

Ben_Reilly wrote:I don't know what it says about this forum when we get yet another British right-winger, and I'm just breathing a huge sigh of relief that it wasn't Andrea Borman trying to sign up again ...

Oh they are a joy Ben, Andrea is a pussy cat in comparison, just a very repetitive pussy cat lol

200 million   

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Clarkson wrote:I seem to remember the last Labour Govt saying ten thousand Poles would come here.

It was a million.

The left are still in denial. Clearly in the minds of the comrades on here facts are simply whitewashed out. How very Soviet Union.

Still Sassy couldn't count to ten thousand let alone really big numbers like a million.

A distorted view of the picture, one million may have come but of that how many stayed and how many were born to those who stayed would provide a better picture would you not agree?

Sassy wrote:

Clarkson wrote:I seem to remember the last Labour Govt saying ten thousand Poles would come here.

It was a million.

The left are still in denial. Clearly in the minds of the comrades on here facts are simply whitewashed out. How very Soviet Union.

Still Sassy couldn't count to ten thousand let alone really big numbers like a million.

Definitely Drinky, and still obsessed lol

Have you noticed every forum you are involved with shuts sassy. You shaft those around you and leave when the damage is done. I take it you will drive out any dissenting comment on here thereby ensuring the demise of this forum as well comrade. Victor must have been so pleased he took your advice. :D 

I have to say you are very amusing though but only when you don't intend to be. Have you managed to count those noughts there were 6.

PhilDidge wrote:

Clarkson wrote:I seem to remember the last Labour Govt saying ten thousand Poles would come here.

It was a million.

The left are still in denial. Clearly in the minds of the comrades on here facts are simply whitewashed out. How very Soviet Union.

Still Sassy couldn't count to ten thousand let alone really big numbers like a million.

A distorted view of the picture, one million may have come but of that how many stayed and how many were born to those who stayed would provide a better picture would you not agree?

Not at all distorted Phil this actually happened and is well documented. The Polish population is a significant part of our demographic. MY point was these lefty clowns are still in denial they are too thick to learn from history because of their inbuilt prejudices. Frankly they are so cretinous they refuse to learn!! For decades debate about immigration was suppressed by the cries of racism emitted by the left to ensure debate could not occur.

Surely you do no support the view that this cannot be discussed.  I do not deny there are genuine racist but in my experience they come from all walks of life including many Labour voters. Moreover the so called anti racist radical leftist are very racist themselves they just happen to be very anti white and are blind to the dichotomies they introduce by supporting various crazy ideas.

A simple illustration that leaps to mind is defending a Black Police association. This is defended but if we had a White Police association it would be decried as Apartheid.

I despise racist from both sides but sensible voices who express genuine concerns are derided by thickos like Sassy. Absolutely no reference to Labours mistakes opening the floodgates which even Labour leadership figures have accepted now.

Our infrastructure schools n particular were severely overstretched by the influx. Personally I like to be able to express my opinion whilst this is still a democracy. It wont be much longer if the comrades have their way.

Clarkson wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

A distorted view of the picture, one million may have come but of that how many stayed and how many were born to those who stayed would provide a better picture would you not agree?

Not at all distorted Phil this actually happened and is well documented. The Polish population is a significant part of our demographic. MY point was these lefty clowns are still in denial they are too thick to lean from history because of their inbuilt prejudices. For decades debate about immigration was suppressed by the cries of racism emitted ny the left to ensure debate could not occur.


Surely you do no support the view that this cannot be discussed.  I do not deny there are genuine racist but in my experience they come from all walks of life including many Labour voters. Moreover the so called anti racist radical leftist are very racist themselves they just happen to be very anti white and are blind to the dichotomies they introduce by supporting various crazy ideas.

A simple illustration that leaps to mind is defending a Black Police association. This is defended but if we had a White Police association it would be decried as Apartheid.

I despise racist from both sides but sensible voices who express genuine concerns are derided by thickos like Sassy. Absolutely no reference to Labours mistakes opening the floodgates which even Labour leadership figures have accepted now.

Our infrastructure schools n particular were severely overstretched by the influx. Personally I like to be able to express my opinion whilst this is still a democracy. It wont be much longer if the comrades have their way.

Of course it is distorted, if there are only half a million Poles in the country today, then to say 1 million came over a period of ten years does not infer at any time one million Poles were here does it Drinky?

I am not claiming any racism, but pointing out an error in your claim, so you are barking up the wrong tree on that one

Your point on the Black association is also very poor to say the least as is there a need for a white association Police force where there is no evidence of racism against white officers? mainly as it is vastly majority white
If there was such a need you would have a point, but there is none but there is though countless evidence of racism against not only blacks and Asian within the Police force but also in stop and search and arrests.

PhilDidge wrote:Your point on the Black association is also very poor to say the least as is there a need for a white association Police force where there is no evidence of racism against white officers? mainly as it is vastly majority white
If there was such a need you would have a point, but there is none but there is though countless evidence of racism against not only blacks and Asian within the Police force but also in stop and search and arrests.

If a black policeman is passed over for promotion on the basis of his colour that is racism - I would agree with that.

Therefore if a white policeman is passed over for promotion in order to put a black one there, is that also not racism? Would you agree that happens, under the guise of positive discrimination?

The hiring of ethnic minorities in public places over white Brits?

So, is there or is there not racism against whites? There is, and that's why we see anger from white Brits. It isn't racism, they're just fed up and angry Phil - you know that.

BigAndy9 wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:Your point on the Black association is also very poor to say the least as is there a need for a white association Police force where there is no evidence of racism against white officers? mainly as it is vastly majority white
If there was such a need you would have a point, but there is none but there is though countless evidence of racism against not only blacks and Asian within the Police force but also in stop and search and arrests.

If a black policeman is passed over for promotion on the basis of his colour that is racism - I would agree with that.

Therefore if a white policeman is passed over for promotion in order to put a black one there, is that also not racism?  Would you agree that happens, under the guise of positive discrimination?

The hiring of ethnic minorities in public places over white Brits?

So, is there or is there not racism against whites?  There is, and that's why we see anger from white Brits.  It isn't racism, they're just fed up and angry Phil - you know that.

yes but has there been a case where a white officer has received any form of racism or discrimination Andy, the point you are missing when they make up not only the vast majority of the Police force but practically nearly every senior officer?

So please present your evidence of this within the Police force, you should have many examples to thus justify having a white association

The rest of your post was just waffle Andy

Clarkson wrote:I seem to remember the last Labour Govt saying ten thousand Poles would come here.

It was a million.

The left are still in denial. Clearly in the minds of the comrades on here facts are simply whitewashed out. How very Soviet Union.

Still Sassy couldn't count to ten thousand let alone really big numbers like a million.

Good reply and 7/10.But give me a number please.

PhilDidge wrote:

Clarkson wrote:

Not at all distorted Phil this actually happened and is well documented. The Polish population is a significant part of our demographic. MY point was these lefty clowns are still in denial they are too thick to lean from history because of their inbuilt prejudices. For decades debate about immigration was suppressed by the cries of racism emitted ny the left to ensure debate could not occur.


Surely you do no support the view that this cannot be discussed.  I do not deny there are genuine racist but in my experience they come from all walks of life including many Labour voters. Moreover the so called anti racist radical leftist are very racist themselves they just happen to be very anti white and are blind to the dichotomies they introduce by supporting various crazy ideas.

A simple illustration that leaps to mind is defending a Black Police association. This is defended but if we had a White Police association it would be decried as Apartheid.

I despise racist from both sides but sensible voices who express genuine concerns are derided by thickos like Sassy. Absolutely no reference to Labours mistakes opening the floodgates which even Labour leadership figures have accepted now.

Our infrastructure schools n particular were severely overstretched by the influx. Personally I like to be able to express my opinion whilst this is still a democracy. It wont be much longer if the comrades have their way.

Of course it is distorted, if there are only half a million Poles in the country today, then to say 1 million came over a period of ten years does not infer at any time one million Poles were here does it Drinky?

I am not claiming any racism, but pointing out an error in your claim, so you are barking up the wrong tree on that one

I'm not at all sure your figure is right but 500,000 net stayers is 50 times more than the 10k predicted! Over a million did come a 10 times more than predicted. As to my assertions about schools in particular areas being overrun that is equally well documented. Lets be clear immigrants settle in clumps not spread evenly over the country.

There are many schools in central London that are towers of Bable with over 30 languages spoken. I might add in providing comprehensive translation services we exascerbated the situation.

The wholesale inward immigration has been a disaster. BTW I am not against inward immigration I just want it to be controlled as many democracies do e.g. Canada Australia etc.

veya_victaous wrote:200 million   

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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOORAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!! An answer.

Good afternoon Veya.

Please God don't let it be as many as 200 million because we'll all be living in the sea then.

I'm trying to remember where I read an article which explained how the UK can only cope with a 17 million population effectively with our present infrastructure etc.

Veya is a well thought of pupil who always contributes positively to any conversation and reminds me of Shady.....9/10.Well done.

Sheesh times must be bad if I'm agreeing with Shady!

Clarkson wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

Of course it is distorted, if there are only half a million Poles in the country today, then to say 1 million came over a period of ten years does not infer at any time one million Poles were here does it Drinky?

I am not claiming any racism, but pointing out an error in your claim, so you are barking up the wrong tree on that one

I'm not at all sure your figure is right but 500,000 net stayers is 50 times more than the 10k predicted! Over a million did come a 10 times more than predicted. As to my assertions about schools in particular areas being overrun that is equally well documented. Lets be clear immigrants settle in clumps not spread evenly over the country.

There are many schools in central London that are towers of Bable with over 30 languages spoken. I might add in providing comprehensive translation services we exascerbated the situation.

The wholesale inward immigration has been a disaster. BTW I am not against inward immigration I just want it to be controlled as many democracies do e.g. Canada Australia etc.

The points you are missing though Drinky is by and large immigration has benefited this country more than negatives. I am all for controlled numbers, but not for it to stop as seen by my many points of an ethos culture of those thinking work is beneath them in this country, who do as little at school as possible and try to get through life doing as little as possible. This all brought about by Labour policies on a benefit culture. Thus companies have turned to migrants and are much of the reason why migrants have stayed, those from within the EU. They are the most employed and least in claiming benefits, because mainly they work hard and are keeping the economy going where many are over qualified doing minimum paid jobs that some Brits in this country as stated think are beneath them.

So there is much more to this than is being stated, lets face some realities, the root cause is a requirement of workers needed to fill vacancies that indigenous Brits did not want to do or in many cases those that did were unreliable. Would are economy have ever requirement without this mass of immigrants from within the EU that have helped the economy recover? yes there are problems like infrastructure and schools, but these are being overcome and grades have actually improved during the Coalition. So I do not see it as a disaster and if anything they have helped bail this country out of a mess.

Weigh up the pro's and con's and you will see it has benefited us more than it has created problems and as stated the root cause is a culture of people thinking they can get through life on benefits which created the need for immigrants to fill vacancies.

Immigrants always settle together in towns and within a generation in any country their children are more so British, so even that is of no relevance

Where is your evidence that immigration has over all benefited this country?

SEXY MAMA wrote:Sheesh times must be bad if I'm agreeing with Shady!

Good afternoon Sexy Mama.

Great minds think alike & remember how much we agreed with each other following the London riots a couple of years ago.(Was it 2 years ago?)

So Sexy what's your estimate as to the limit of the UK population? If the UK was a geographically large country like the states or Canada then I wouldn't have asked the question.

What do you reckon?

sphinx wrote:Where is your evidence that immigration has over all benefited this country?

Try reading my answers, it may help

Shady wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:Sheesh times must be bad if I'm agreeing with Shady!

Good afternoon Sexy Mama.

Great minds think alike & remember how much we agreed with each other following the London riots a couple of years ago.(Was it 2 years ago?)

So Sexy what's your estimate as to the limit of the UK population? If the UK was a geographically large country like the states or Canada then I wouldn't have asked the question.

What do you reckon?

Afternoon Shady

We are a very small Island and as much as i love the kind hearted people of Great Britain who are willing to open the borders and think we should help the 'needy' enough is enough. We already have far too many people here and its just going to get worse.

We should only allow people who can benefit us like the Australians do even though they are 10 if not more times larger than us.

So basically Shady and Sexy are thinking of themselves and not the world problem of our population which of course the Uk cannot even sustain itself on its own resources and if all took this approach then we would be screwed.

Again immigration needs to be controlled to sensible levels, but top look to yourself when we are taught and teach people to share shows how we go against something we teach our own children

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Shady wrote:

Good afternoon Sexy Mama.

Great minds think alike & remember how much we agreed with each other following the London riots a couple of years ago.(Was it 2 years ago?)

So Sexy what's your estimate as to the limit of the UK population? If the UK was a geographically large country like the states or Canada then I wouldn't have asked the question.

What do you reckon?

Afternoon Shady

We are a very small Island and as much as i love the kind hearted people of Great Britain who are willing to open the borders and think we should help the 'needy' enough is enough. We already have far too many people here and its just going to get worse.

We should only allow people who can benefit us like the Australians do even though they are 10 if not more times larger than us.

Sexy.......I love you.But our warm embraces can only remain in our dreams as our paths are never destined to meet.

Excellent answer madame & even though you didn't provide an actual figure I will score you as follows...

Sexy Mama is a model pupil who only thinks of others & has an adult nature well beyond her tender years.She will do well.....10/10.

Shady wrote:

SEXY MAMA wrote:

Afternoon Shady

We are a very small Island and as much as i love the kind hearted people of Great Britain who are willing to open the borders and think we should help the 'needy' enough is enough. We already have far too many people here and its just going to get worse.

We should only allow people who can benefit us like the Australians do even though they are 10 if not more times larger than us.

Sexy.......I love you.But our warm embraces can only remain in our dreams as our paths are never destined to meet.

Excellent answer madame & even though you didn't provide an actual figure I will score you as follows...

Sexy Mama is a model pupil who only thinks of others & has an adult nature well beyond her tender years.She will do well.....10/10.

I shady score 0/100 to be honest for selfishness, thinking only to yourself and not towards all humanity, which without you would be along with many others here in dire straights

All I want is a number.Not your bloody life story.

sphinx wrote:

Sassy wrote:LOL, so how you going to stabilise births and deaths Sphinx, bump people off and sterilize them?

Just because I think something should be done does not mean I believe it is possible to do it.

My higher "John Lennon" psyche says it should be possible to educate people to bring about the necessary balance starting with a charity drive to send condoms and contraceptives to famine hit areas rather than food (if we had sent condoms instead of food with live aid in 85 would there be famine now?) My lower "deal with life how it is not how you want it to be" psyche  says breeding is a primitive drive and will not be overcome.

My mid to long term predictions are either we manage to develop technology to allow large numbers to leave this planet and live elsewhere or a highly infectious highly fatal infection will develop and take hold wiping out a significant chunk of the population. (world population that is)

I doubt sending condoms would have made a difference, sending money certainly didn't - as Bob Geldof found out when he tried to visit some of the projects funded by Live Aid ten or so years later - absolutely nothing had been done in many places and in some of those that had something done, they may have well not bothered as the whole thing was in disrepair and non functioning, although I suppose some projects were done and are still functioning - can't find any specific evidence for it though.

Can I just say, I love how Shady manages to deride people for name-calling and not "mixing well" in a thread he/she started off by calling everyone who disagrees with him/her "cowards." That's pretty priceless.

Vintage wrote:

sphinx wrote:

Just because I think something should be done does not mean I believe it is possible to do it.

My higher "John Lennon" psyche says it should be possible to educate people to bring about the necessary balance starting with a charity drive to send condoms and contraceptives to famine hit areas rather than food (if we had sent condoms instead of food with live aid in 85 would there be famine now?) My lower "deal with life how it is not how you want it to be" psyche  says breeding is a primitive drive and will not be overcome.

My mid to long term predictions are either we manage to develop technology to allow large numbers to leave this planet and live elsewhere or a highly infectious highly fatal infection will develop and take hold wiping out a significant chunk of the population. (world population that is)

I doubt sending condoms would have made a difference, sending money certainly didn't - as Bob Geldof found out when he tried to visit some of the projects funded by Live Aid ten or so years later - absolutely nothing had been done in many places and in some of those that had something done, they may have well not bothered as the whole thing was in disrepair and non functioning, although I suppose some projects were done and are still functioning - can't find any specific evidence for it though.

The projects may have disappeared but (this is the bit that gets me savaged) people lived who otherwise would have died and now there are even more people on the planet that there were. The planet is now feeding more people than the total population at the time because the number starving today is less than the number by which the population increased. We are still urged to sent food to starving people with pictures of desperate children - well if the children weren't conceived and born there would be less starving. Although sending condoms might not work we could save more people more suffering in the long term if instead of trying to feed the starving we tried to get everyone to have less children.

Condoms, having children etc are not the reason for Africa still being poor.   Multi-nationals and Banks are.

Hiding Africa's Looted Funds: The Silence of Western Media

By Lord Aikins Adusei
Quite often when you read newspapers, listen to the radio and watch television in the West you will are bombarded with how poor and corrupt Africans are. However, you will never watch, read or hear anything in these media outlets on the role play by : Western banking institutions; property development and estate companies; technology corporations; oil and mining cartels; defense and engineering companies; and western political and business elite in promoting corruption in Africa.

When it comes to Africa and the developing world, the Western media pretend to be doing a good job only when there is an embarrassing story or a scandal that undermines their own credibility as the watchdog of the state. It is not uncommon to see poverty stricken Africans being shown in documentaries, movies, and television screens in the West but these same documentaries fail to show the involvement of Western capitalist institutions in fanning the poverty. Although corruption involves a giver and recipient, it is always the taker who is reported in the media. In many instances bribes are offered in order to secure contracts, secure official favour or to induce officials in order to influence the out come of a government decision. In other instances people become corrupt because of the existence of favouring conditions as can be seen in most western countries with their banking secrecy laws.

Why does the media in the West ignore the role of western institutions in corrupt deals? The media in the west tend to ignore the role of western institutions for many reasons. They would rather show the poverty level in Africa but refuse to show the role play by western institutions for fear of loosing revenue through adverts. Most media outlets survive through advertisements from mega businesses and the multinational corporations so for fear of loosing revenues the media turn a blind eye to their activities such bribing politicians, public officials and polluting the environment. Again the editors, programme directors and the other big wigs in the media are thelselves shareholders in the companies in question so why would they want to jeopardise the source of their own wealth?

The enthusiasm with which CNN, BBC, ABC, CBS, ITN, SKYNEWS, television producers portray Africa as poor, backward, least developed and corrupt is not displayed when they report on the role play by Western institutions in perpetuating the aforementioned. They fail to tell the world that the looted funds that make Africans poor are sitting in Europe, America, Australia, New Zealand and other offshore Islands controlled by the West. They fail to tell the world that Africa would be a different place if all the stolen monies are returned from Switzerland, Britain, America, France, Luxembourg, Austria and Liechtenstein. After years of foot draggings Swiss authorities decided to repatriate monies stolen by the Abacha regime. So I asked myself where was the western media when Swiss and British Banks were receiving the looted funds? The fact still remains that until recently and with the exception of the BBC none of the western media establishment had permanent reporters based in Africa with reason only best known to themselves. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3577032.stm

Corruption is rife in Africa because banking institutions in Europe especially Switzerland, France, Jersey Island, Britain, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Austria and US among others accept money from African leaders without questioning its source. According to the UN and the AU around $148 billion is stolen from the continent annually by political leaders, multinational corporations, the business elite and civil servants with complicity of banking and property industries in Europe and North America.

Even though western banks act as safe havens for looted funds, very little attention is received from the western media to expose them. No effort has been made by the political elite in Europe and America to force the banks to return these stolen monies because they are often the shareholders and beneficiaries of profits made by these banks. They have no agenda to combact corruption as that would mean no fat dividends for them and no cheap credits for their citizens.

Within five years of his reign (1993-98) Sani Abacha of Nigeria according to official sources was able to stash four billion dollars and between 12 and 16 billion dollars according to unofficial sources. After his death in 1998, investigators in Nigeria, Europe and America stumbled on over 130 bank accounts in Australia, New Zealand, London, New York, France and Switzerland among other countries where some of the money stolen was kept.

According to France24, a French police investigation has established that Bongo and his family own at least 33 luxury properties in France, including a villa located at Rue de la Baume, near the Elysée Palace, in Paris bought in 2007 for 18.8 million Euros. The French President Nicolas Sarkozy was spotted greeting Bongo in this villa bought with funds looted from Gabon. http://www.france24.com/en/20090226-french-court-seizes-gabonese-presidents-accounts-omar-bongo-bank. Other investigations have uncovered that he and his family have at least 59 properties, several bonds and stocks in France alone.

French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner was embarrassed when it was revealed that Bongo’s government paid his consultancy firm a staggering 2.64 million Euros for advice on health policy drawn up by Kouchner before he took office. Source: Timesonline February 5, 2009. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5661746.ece.Kouchener is not the only person in France, Europe and America to have benfited from the shady and corrupt dealing of Africa's political and business establishments. It has recently come to light that Omar Bongo secretly financed Jacques Chirac and Francois Mitterand election campaigns using money he had stolen from his country.The question is who assisted him to steal and hide his ill-gotten wealth in France I mean the 70 banks accounts stashed with hundreds of millions of euros and the 33 luxury mansions that he bought? Is it not those he helped to become presidents, prime ministers and foreign ministers? The fact is that Bongo was able to steal, mismanage and poorly run his country because of the support he received from those he helped win elections in France.

Araminta Wordsworth of Nationalpost.com says:"The French media are operating under no constraints in commenting on Africa’s longest-ruling despot, a man successive French presidents played a huge role in keeping in power and vice-versa. Bongo contributed to the election campaigns of François Mitterrand and Jacques Chirac; Nicolas Sarkozy’s first act as president-elect was to call the Gabonese president and thank him for his advice. Bongo also worked for the French secret service. But oil was key to his power, as Laurent d’Ersu notes in La Croix". Source: National Post, June 9, 2009

The disgraced Elf-Aquataine executives said they paid Bongo between 30 to 50 million dollars through secrete bank accounts in Switzerland but no attempt has been made to expose and prosecute these banks.

On February 26, 2009 a French court had Omar Bongo’s nine bank accounts containing several millions of Euros frozen. In confirming the court’s decision, lawyer Jean-Philippe Le Bail said, “This concerns Crédit Lyonnais, in which the president of Gabon has two current accounts, two savings accounts and a share account, and BNP, in which he has two checking accounts, a savings account and a share account”. These are the banks whose shady deals with the political and business elite impoverish African countries but which for profits sake the media refuse to tell the world about. The banks know these corrupt leaders have stolen the money yet they pretend not to know until there is a scandal before they begin to act as if they are responsible institutions. How and why Bongo was able to open so many bank accounts in France is only known to the banks and the political establishment in France but it is an undisputable fact that the media in France did notdo enougth to expose the rot in involving Bongo and the institutions in that country.

Most foreign banks have been implicated for receiving billions of dollars of looted funds from the late Mobutu of Zaire; Lansana Conte of Guinea; Eyadema of Togo; and a number of tyrants such as Omar Bongo of Gabon; Obiang Nguema of Equatorial Guinea; Dos Santos of Angola; Denis Sassou Nguesso of Congo; Paul Biya of Cameroon; Arap Moi of Kenya; Jerry Rawlings of Ghana; Ibrahim Babadjinda of Nigeria and a number of sitting and ex-presidents in Africa yet western media is silent about where the funds are being kept.

The banks in Europe and America that aided, abetted and provided sanctuary for Abacha´s $4 billion stolen funds are: Australia and New Zealand Banking Group, ANZ, London Branch; Bank Len, Zurich; Bankers Trust Company, London; Bankers Trust Company, Frankfurt; Bankers Trust Company, New York; Banque Barring Brothers, Geneva; Bank in Liechtenstein A. G. Vaduz; Barclays Bank, New York; Barclays Bank, London; Banque Edouard Constant, General; Banque Nationale De Paris, Geneva; Banque Nationale De Paris, London; Banque Nationale De Paris, Basle; Citibank N. A. London; Citibank N. A. New York; Citibank N. A. Luxembourg; Citibank Zurich; Credit Lyonnais , New York; Credit Suisse , New York; Credit Suisse, General; Credit Suisse, Zurich; Deutche Morgan Grenfell, Jersey; FIBI Bank (Schweiz) A. G. Zurich; First Bank of Boston , London; Goldman Sachs and Company, Zurich; Gothard Bank, Geneva; LGT Liechtenstein Bank, Vaduz; Liechtenstein Landesbank, Vaduz; M. M. Warburg and Company, Luxembourg; M. M. Warburg and Company,Zurich; M. M. Warburg and Company, Hamburg; Merrill Lynch Bank, New York; Merrill Lynch Bank, Geneva; Midland Bank, London; National Westminister Bank, London; Paribus, London; Paribus, Geneva; Royal Bank of Scotland , Leeds; Standard Bank London Limited, London; UBS AG, Zurich; UBS AG, Geneva; Union Bancaire Privee, Geneva; Union Bancaire Privee, London; London Branch; Verwaltungs Und Private Bank A. G., Vaduz; and ANZ, New York; ANZ, Frankfurt. Source: Tell Magazine, October 7, 2002. Only heaven knows how much of Abacha´s loot still remain in these banks. We did not hear anything about these banks in the Western media and how they were helping Abacha to loot Nigeria's resources until his death in the until his death in 1998.

According to a 110 page report prepared by international risk consultancy firm Kroll, Arap Moi and his family have banked £1 billion in 28 countries including Britain but the media in the west will not expose the banks involved.The Guardian, Friday 31 August 2007. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/aug/31/kenya.topstories3

Apart from the banking sector, the property sector in Europe, America and Australia have also connived with the political and business elite in Africa to impoverish the people. Several African leaders have bought properties in Europe and America using monies stolen from their poor countries. It is on record that Mobutu of DRC (Zaire) bought several villas in France, Switzerland, Belgium and many European Countries. Yet again the companies selling the villas have been kept secret by the media. Why ?

It has recently come to light that Arap Moi of Kenya and his family bought several multimillion pound properties in London, New York, South Africa including 10,000-hectare ranch in Australia and bank accounts containing hundreds of millions of pounds. While majority of Kenyans live in slums and in rural areas, with little roofing on their heads and lacking water and other basic necessities of life, Moi’s family live in a £4m home in Surrey and £2m flat in Knightsbridge yet the media will not expose the estate companies involved. The Guardian, Friday 31 August 200, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/aug/31/kenya.topstories3

It is common for western companies looking for lucrative contracts to pay bribes and kickbacks to induce officials into awarding them contracts. For example on 17th September 2002, a Canadian firm called Acres International was convicted by a High Court in Lesotho for paying $260,000 bribe to secure an $8 billion dam contract. Source: Probe International.http://www.eprf.ca/pi/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=5484

In 2002, Halliburton, a company once controlled by Dick Cheney (former US Vice President) was accused of establishing $180m fund and used it to bribe Nigerian officials in order to secure a $10 billion Liquefied Gas Plant contract in Nigeria. Source: Royal Dutch Shell plc .com http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/09/04/halliburton-paid-180-million-in-bribes-to-senior-nigerian-government-officials/

Achair Partners (a Swiss company) and Progresso (an Italian company) have been accused of bribing Somalia’s Transition Government officials in order to secure contracts to deposit highly toxic industrial waste in the waters of Somalia. Such corrupt practices by western companies seeking contracts in Africa are one of the reasons why poverty and diseases are rife in the continent.

The catastrophic environmental damage being caused by Oil, mining and timber companies such as Shell, BP, Total, Elf, Texaco, Mittal, Anglo-America Corporation in Nigeria, Ghana, Gabon, Equatorial Guinea, Angola, Congo, DR. Congo, South Africa, Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Senegal do not make the news in the West. How often do we hear about the huge environmental price Africans are paying to satisfy the west’s insatiable appetite for energy and technology? Apart from the huge profits being made by these conglomerates which we often hear in the news, do we hear also their complete disregard for environmental rules; the pollution of rivers, lakes, streams, wells, and the environment? On June 30, 2009 a report by Amnesty International entitled "OIL INDUSTRY HAS BROUGHT POVERTY AND POLLUTION TO NIGER DELTA" catalogues list of environmental destruction and damage that the Oil Cartel is causing in the region. http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/oil-industry-has-brought-poverty-and-pollution-to-niger-delta-20090630, http://www.democracynow.org/features/shell_on_trial.

In October 2002, after a three year investigation a UN Panel of Experts implicated Cabot Corporation (Boston), Eagle Wings Resources International, and George Forrest’s OM Group (Ohio) for arming rebel groups and collaborating with them to traffic from DR. Congo gold, diamond, timber and most importantly coltan (columbo-tantalite)-a precious ore essential to Sony playstations, laptop computers, and cell phones. Coltan is often spirited out of DRC to U.S., Swiss, Belgian, and German clients by Uganda and Rwanda army officers, rebel groups and through a network of criminal syndicates. In all 85 companies were implicated by the report.http://www.fpif.org/fpiftxt/4999, http://globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/181/33592.html

Except the wars and the stranded faces of hungry refugees, do these illegal activities by the corporations make the news in the Western media? Definitely not. Even when local journalists and writers document this for broadcast in the west, it is not published as it does not serve their interests. The media only publish stories after NGOs and civil society organisations have fought to expose corruption and shady deals involving western corporations, business and political leaders.

This is the hypocrisy and double standard of the western media. They want the world to know how poor Africans are but fail to tell the world that Africans are poor because Western banking institutions, property development companies, defence companies and defence contractors, oil and mining corporations are major stakeholders in promoting Africa’s poverty and underdevelopment. Corruption and bribery in Africa and indeed the developing world could be reduced tremendously if the media for once put aside the pick and choose journalism and attached the same importance to show the degree of involvement by western capitalist institutions Europe, America and Japan and their role in keeping Africans poor.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Hiding_Africa%27s_Looted_Funds:_The_Silence_of_Western_Media


If only the problems in Africa was that people were having too many children, how easy it would be to fix.   Once again, that is how the media present it, once again the poor are blamed for their problems, while the rich actually causing it are getting away with blue murder.