Mum Furious After School 'Banned' Daughter From Wearing Shoes Deemed 'Inappropriate'

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:49 pm

A mum has called her daughter's school uniform policy "ridiculous" because she claims they "banned" her daughter from wearing boot-like shoes.
Kasia Kowalska-Trela, 41, from Salford claimed her daughter Oliwia, 14, was told to find another pair of shoes from the school's lost and found cupboard, or face detention if she didn't comply. After recently paying £50 for the shoes, Kowalska-Trela was frustrated she had to buy a new pair.

"There is absolutely nothing wrong with them, but the school classes them as boots," she told Manchester Evening News.

"They’re half an inch higher than other shoes. It’s ridiculous."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02/04/mum-school-uniform-shoes_n_9156954.html

by Raggamuffin Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:50 pm

They're not shoes, they're boots.

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:55 pm

Oh for fuck sake, who gives a fuck what they are, for the school to have such a policy is down right stupid, end of

by Raggamuffin Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:57 pm

What absurd is that parents keep trying to get round the school rules. If the rules say the pupils should wear shoes and not boots, buy them shoes FFS, not boots. What's so difficult about that?

It's normal for pupils themselves to try to get around the rules, but if they're pulled up on it, they expect it and they change what they're wearing. That's how it was at my school anyway.

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:58 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:What absurd is that parents keep trying to get round the school rules. If the rules say the pupils should wear shoes and not boots, buy them shoes FFS, not boots. What's so difficult about that?

It's normal for pupils themselves to try to get around the rules, but if they're pulled up on it, they expect it and they change what they're wearing. That's how it was at my school anyway.

No what is absurd is for schools to make such fucking daft rules and I back the mother as the school are being right royal pricks

Trust you to stick out for such a twat policy, sums up what an idiot you are

by Raggamuffin Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:58 pm

If the girl is "stressed" because she was told she was wearing the wrong footwear, she must be a very sensitive little flower.

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:59 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:If the girl is "stressed" because she was told she was wearing the wrong footwear, she must be a very sensitive little flower.

Who the fuck are you to judge what kind of girl she is based on who you are?

Get a life you twat

by Raggamuffin Wed Feb 10, 2016 12:59 pm

Anyone would think there weren't any shoes for sale in shops in the UK ...

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 1:00 pm

Anyone would think the school is being over the top on what kids should wear

by nicko Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:32 pm

How you seen what some Teachers wear?

I went to a Parent evening once, mini skirts, high heels, lipstick and ear rings and nose rings,

and that was just the men!

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 2:36 pm

nicko wrote:How you seen what some Teachers wear?

I went to a Parent evening once, mini skirts, high heels, lipstick and ear rings and nose rings,

and that was just the men!

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 4:40 pm

I doubt the school changed the rule of shoes not boots without giving notice, if they did they are wrong. If they gave appropriate notice parents should buy their kids stuff that fits within that schools dress code.
Son and grandson had to wear black leather shoes....not trainers or boots, so that's what we bought.

The most ridiculous aspect is the fact that this is in the papers, if the girl is stressed maybe her mum should have thought of that before she chased her 5 minutes of fame. Rolling Eyes

by eddie Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:07 pm

What rags and Syl said Mum Furious After School 'Banned' Daughter From Wearing Shoes Deemed 'Inappropriate' 1716015268

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:13 pm

And as seen not one of you can justify why the school needs or requires such a daft rule

by eddie Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:20 pm

Speaking for myself, it's all the reasons I've stated before on other threads about school uniform.

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:26 pm

Again then what is wrong with having boots or shoes with heels as part of a school uniform?

Nothing, against its an absurd rule just as is having school uniforms

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:31 pm

Didge wrote:And as seen not one of you can justify why the school needs or requires such a daft rule

It's there because the kids are expected to conform to a certain standard. That's why uniforms are compulsory in many schools.
Going by your way of thinking schoolkids should be entitled to dress however they please then?

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:34 pm

One reason school uniforms are beneficial (imo) is that they put everyone on an even playing field. You don't get one kid dressed in Primark and another in designer gear (which is important to kids, specially the ones who have little)

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:35 pm

Syl wrote:
Didge wrote:And as seen not one of you can justify why the school needs or requires such a daft rule

It's there because the kids are expected to conform to a certain standard. That's why uniforms are compulsory in many schools.
Going by your way of thinking schoolkids should be entitled to dress however they please then?

What standard?
Backwardness?
So why do schools without uniforms also excel?
It renders the need of a uniform redundant.
Why should not kids be able to feel comfortable in what they wear to school when studying, as uniforms are like a straitjacket?
Is not their comfortably to study and learn more important than some daft school code of ethics regarding uniforms?

by Victorismyhero Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:36 pm

I'd take the piss.....and turn up in a pair of crocs......

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:37 pm

Syl wrote:One reason school uniforms are beneficial (imo) is that they put everyone on an even playing field. You don't get one kid dressed in Primark and another in designer gear (which is important to kids, specially the ones who have little)

No they do not as kids will still have more expensive footwear for example or trousers and those with less money cannot replace.
So it makes little difference as studies have shown on bullying where what is better is kids getting used to their classmates as they would also be outside school.

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:37 pm

Lord Foul wrote:I'd take the piss.....and turn up in a pair of crocs......

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:48 pm

Didge wrote:
Syl wrote:One reason school uniforms are beneficial (imo) is that they put everyone on an even playing field. You don't get one kid dressed in Primark and another in designer gear (which is important to kids, specially the ones who have little)

No they do not as kids will still have more expensive footwear for example or trousers and those with less money cannot replace.
So it makes little difference as studies have shown on bullying where what is better is kids getting used to their classmates as they would also be outside school.

They may have better quality footwear but they wont have the designer stuff that is the latest fashion (pink and orange clodhoppers at the moment).....and that would be what set them apart.
I haven't compared studies as to which schools do better, but personally I see benefits from kids wearing uniforms...it makes for a sense of community and it also identifies which school they go to when travelling, which possibly makes them behave more responsibly.

Bullying is a different matter....that should be clamped down on no matter what a kid is wearing.

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:53 pm

Syl wrote:
Didge wrote:

No they do not as kids will still have more expensive footwear for example or trousers and those with less money cannot replace.
So it makes little difference as studies have shown on bullying where what is better is kids getting used to their classmates as they would also be outside school.

They may have better quality footwear but they wont have the designer stuff that is the latest fashion (pink and orange clodhoppers at the moment).....and that would be what set them apart.
I haven't compared studies as to which schools do better, but personally I see benefits from kids wearing uniforms...it makes for a sense of community and it also identifies which school they go to when travelling, which possibly makes them behave more responsibly.

Bullying is a different matter....that should be clamped down on no matter what a kid is wearing.

You are talking silly now as kids will have designer trainers for sports, so again it matters little as these kids will be seen after school in their own clothes and its better to normalize what they wear both in and outside school. You do not combat bullying by just pushing it to one side or trying to make people look the same when we all look fundamentally different.

What benefits? So a school cannot have a sense of community if its not in a uniform and what rationality are you basing that on?
Again why should a child outside school be identified by the school they attend? Are you saying the school should take credit for nothing they have done where a kid does something good or when bad? Why should the school take the credit or blame for that?

The only reason for uniforms is to regiment children, which is insulting in itself, as if they need something to classify them to make them good children. Again what should matter most of all is the child themselves in what they feel comfortable studying in, of which many hate wearing a uniform.

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:04 pm

Didge wrote:
Syl wrote:

They may have better quality footwear but they wont have the designer stuff that is the latest fashion (pink and orange clodhoppers at the moment).....and that would be what set them apart.
I haven't compared studies as to which schools do better, but personally I see benefits from kids wearing uniforms...it makes for a sense of community and it also identifies which school they go to when travelling, which possibly makes them behave more responsibly.

Bullying is a different matter....that should be clamped down on no matter what a kid is wearing.

You are talking silly now as kids will have designer trainers for sports, so again it matters little as these kids will be seen after school in their own clothes and its better to normalize what they wear both in and outside school. You do not combat bullying by just pushing it to one side or trying to make people look the same when we all look fundamentally different.

What benefits? So a school cannot have a sense of community if its not in a uniform and what rationality are you basing that on?
Again why should a child outside school be identified by the school they attend? Are you saying the school should take credit for nothing they have done where a kid does something good or when bad? Why should the school take the credit or blame for that?

The only reason for uniforms is to regiment children, which is insulting in itself, as if they need something to classify them to make them good children. Again what should matter most of all is the child themselves in what they feel comfortable studying in, of which many hate wearing a uniform.

They wont have designer trainers for sport if they have a dress code will they.

Who said bullying should be pushed to one side? I implied the opposite. It should be given priority, but I don't think wearing a uniform or not figures highly on most bullies agendas.

Yes a school can have a sense of community without a uniform, but I also think wearing a uniform adds to this.
Why do certain professions wear a uniform....it's certainly not to demean or insult them, more to unite them.

Wearing a uniform whilst travelling to and from school has benefits imo. I do believe if kids are accountable they will act better....it's a good lesson to learn early on in life..

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:11 pm

Syl wrote:
Didge wrote:

You are talking silly now as kids will have designer trainers for sports, so again it matters little as these kids will be seen after school in their own clothes and its better to normalize what they wear both in and outside school. You do not combat bullying by just pushing it to one side or trying to make people look the same when we all look fundamentally different.

What benefits? So a school cannot have a sense of community if its not in a uniform and what rationality are you basing that on?
Again why should a child outside school be identified by the school they attend? Are you saying the school should take credit for nothing they have done where a kid does something good or when bad? Why should the school take the credit or blame for that?

The only reason for uniforms is to regiment children, which is insulting in itself, as if they need something to classify them to make them good children. Again what should matter most of all is the child themselves in what they feel comfortable studying in, of which many hate wearing a uniform.

They wont have designer trainers for sport if they have a dress code will they.

Who said bullying should be pushed to one side? I implied the opposite. It should be given priority, but I don't think wearing a uniform or not figures highly on most bullies agendas.

Yes a school can have a sense of community without a uniform, but I also think wearing a uniform adds to this.
Why do certain professions wear a uniform....it's certainly not to demean or insult them, more to unite them.

Wearing a uniform whilst travelling to and from school has benefits imo. I do believe if kids are accountable they will act better....it's a good lesson to learn early on in life..

There is no dress code for sports with trainers, not that I have ever come across and again kids will come to school in their trainers and change them at school, so on each count you are simply wrong.

A uniform does not deter any bullying and again having children be dressed in their own clothes normalize them whether in or outside school.

Again how does it add to this? A Uniform for many jobs is due for reasons like being able to recognize them apart from others, which a school does not require does it? So going off jobs where it is a necessity to distinguish people from others have no bearing on children.
Again all a uniform is in reality is to identify for the school and benefit the school and not the child, as its the school that gains the praise. The need then of the school is for its own gratification and is thus self centred.

Again why should a child be accountable with the school whilst not in school? That is like saying the school is responsible for even when they go to bed if still in their uniform, which is absurd. The only benefit of a uniform would be in the case of a crime, making identification that much easier. That is it, but again a school should not suffer or be given praise for what a child does outside school when the actions of the child had no influence from the school.

by Major Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:12 pm

Could they have been 'bootees'?

by Major Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:19 pm

Ordering the girl to get shoes from the lost and found cupboard was wrong IMO, I would not wear someone elses footwear and if someone made my dorta do such their would be trouble, UNHYGIENIC, may get a foot disorder.

Another bleeding foruna by the spelling of her name,

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:27 pm

Didge wrote:
Syl wrote:

They wont have designer trainers for sport if they have a dress code will they.

Who said bullying should be pushed to one side? I implied the opposite. It should be given priority, but I don't think wearing a uniform or not figures highly on most bullies agendas.

Yes a school can have a sense of community without a uniform, but I also think wearing a uniform adds to this.
Why do certain professions wear a uniform....it's certainly not to demean or insult them, more to unite them.

Wearing a uniform whilst travelling to and from school has benefits imo. I do believe if kids are accountable they will act better....it's a good lesson to learn early on in life..

There is no dress code for sports with trainers, not that I have ever come across and again kids will come to school in their trainers and change them at school, so on each count you are simply wrong.

A uniform does not deter any bullying and again having children be dressed in their own clothes normalize them whether in or outside school.

Again how does it add to this? A Uniform for many jobs is due for reasons like being able to recognize them apart from others, which a school does not require does it? So going off jobs where it is a necessity to distinguish people from others have no bearing on children.
Again all a uniform is in reality is to identify for the school and benefit the school and not the child, as its the school that gains the praise. The need then of the school is for its own gratification and is thus self centred.

Again why should a child be accountable with the school whilst not in school? That is like saying the school is responsible for even when they go to bed if still in their uniform, which is absurd. The only benefit of a uniform would be in the case of a crime, making identification that much easier. That is it, but again a school should not suffer or be given praise for what a child does outside school when the actions of the child had no influence from the school.

I am not wrong. Plain black trainers were required for sports in both my sons/grandsons schools.

You are the one who first mentioned bullying....I see no connection with wearing or not wearing a uniform, like I said I doubt dress code spurs on most bullying incidents.... though I imagine if a kid is inclined to bully the fact that he could be identified outside of school if he WAS wearing a uniform would be beneficial to whoever he was bullying if it was reported.

Yes a school will be identified by the uniform, if they do get praise what's wrong with that? I would rather a school have a good reputation than a bad one.
Actually, I wasn't that concerned before about the uniform, I thought the fact that some mother rushed to the press to get herself in the limelight was more of an issue....but the more I post with you about it the more I realise exactly how beneficial school dress codes are. Wink

by Guest Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:35 pm

Syl wrote:
Didge wrote:

There is no dress code for sports with trainers, not that I have ever come across and again kids will come to school in their trainers and change them at school, so on each count you are simply wrong.

A uniform does not deter any bullying and again having children be dressed in their own clothes normalize them whether in or outside school.

Again how does it add to this? A Uniform for many jobs is due for reasons like being able to recognize them apart from others, which a school does not require does it? So going off jobs where it is a necessity to distinguish people from others have no bearing on children.
Again all a uniform is in reality is to identify for the school and benefit the school and not the child, as its the school that gains the praise. The need then of the school is for its own gratification and is thus self centred.

Again why should a child be accountable with the school whilst not in school? That is like saying the school is responsible for even when they go to bed if still in their uniform, which is absurd. The only benefit of a uniform would be in the case of a crime, making identification that much easier. That is it, but again a school should not suffer or be given praise for what a child does outside school when the actions of the child had no influence from the school.

I am not wrong. Plain black trainers were required for sports in both my sons/grandsons schools.

You are the one who first mentioned bullying....I see no connection with wearing or not wearing a uniform, like I said I doubt dress code spurs on most bullying incidents.... though I imagine if a kid is inclined to bully the fact that he could be identified outside of school if he WAS wearing a uniform would be beneficial to whoever he was bullying if it was reported.

Yes a school will be identified by the uniform, if they do get praise what's wrong with that? I would rather a school have a good reputation than a bad one.
Actually, I wasn't that concerned before about the uniform, I thought the fact that some mother rushed to the press to get herself in the limelight was more of an issue....but the more I post with you about it the more I realise exactly how beneficial school dress codes are.

Maybe in primary school but not secondary schools, and again that still fails to understand that children wear them to and from school.

Again on bullying

http://www.stcatharinesstandard.ca/2012/03/14/uniforms-wont-stop-school-bullies-experts-say

One thing that really bothers me about the idea that school uniforms prevent bullying is that it sends a message to kids that being different is a bad thing. It tells them that rather than fight bullying on a deeper level, we’ll just throw a Band-Aid on it by making every child look similar. School uniforms do not prevent bullying.

http://www.ourfamilyworld.com/2014/05/05/public-school-uniforms-prevent-bullying/

Again even more so today that with a multicultural society, it is far better to have children normalized to the different cultures of dress and what better way than to have this in school. A child in poverty will still be teased over the state of their uniform and clothes outside school. Again its far better to normalize how they dress within school as they would outside school

Again a school by taking credit for what a child does outside school is wrong. They are extending the schools name outside of the school taking credit for again nothing the school has actually done. A school can have great reputation without the need of a uniform as a again a school should not take any credit or blame for what a child does outside school. That just plain wrong. I mean for the school to take credit is saying its because of the child wearing the uniform that made them do a good deed, which is blatantly absurd.

Again my view on all of this is over how they decide on shoe wear, I mean take a look at the shoes/boots and then tell me if there is a need to ban such footwear? Laughing

Anyway enjoyed the chat, but have things to do

Cheers

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:38 pm

Laters Didge....tara. x

by Major Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:46 pm

I have been to Warwick School lately, the boys and young men look immaculate in their school uniforms which draws respect for the school from outsiders.
Besides academic subjects manners, politeness, etiquette, self control are taught at this top nationally respected school, without a uniform it would not be the same.

When adults are in a corridor pupils stop, stand with their backs to the walls and let them pass, those pupils nearest a door hold it open for adults, it all adds to a successful school, mind you, about £12 grand a year one expects something special.

You can tell visually the type of pupils they are, they stand out.

by Major Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:47 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:They're not shoes, they're boots.

I admire you get straight to the point, Miss Ragga. lol

by Syl Wed Feb 10, 2016 7:52 pm

Stormee wrote:I have been to Warwick School lately, the boys and young men look immaculate in their school uniforms which draws respect for the school from outsiders.
Besides academic subjects manners, politeness, etiquette, self control are taught at this top nationally respected school, without a uniform it would not be the same.

When adults are in a corridor pupils stop, stand with their backs to the walls and let them pass, those pupils nearest a door hold it open for adults, it all adds to a successful school, mind you, about £12 grand a year one expects something special.

You can tell visually the type of pupils they are, they stand out.

Is it a boarding school Stormee? it sounds very formal.

by veya_victaous Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:41 pm

Syl wrote:One reason school uniforms are beneficial (imo) is that they put everyone on an even playing field. You don't get one kid dressed in Primark and another in designer gear (which is important to kids, specially the ones who have little)

I think that is the only fair reason for them
anything else is make beleive

the rudest kids on my train ride are from a quite well off catholics girs schools, and considerign some of the others are from lower calss state schools it really says something. they always get up for adult don't even have to ask them, stupid catholic schools girls think they and their bag gets a seat. Evil or Very Mad

by Major Wed Feb 10, 2016 9:47 pm

There are boarding facilities Syl but I do not believe many take it up.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Warwick_School

by Syl Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:16 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:One reason school uniforms are beneficial (imo) is that they put everyone on an even playing field. You don't get one kid dressed in Primark and another in designer gear (which is important to kids, specially the ones who have little)

I think that is the only fair reason for them
anything else is make beleive

:

Well that one reason alone would convince me that uniforms are beneficial in schools.

If anyone has been that kid with less than everyone else, and understands the feeling of looking 'poor' next to kids who have plenty, I would think they might agree.

Obviously it's not important in the scheme of things, but when you are 10 or 15 years old......then it is.

by Syl Thu Feb 11, 2016 8:17 pm

Stormee wrote:There are boarding facilities Syl but I do not believe many take it up.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Warwick_School

It looks like a very prestigious place to go to Stormee...well done your grandson. x

by nicko Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:21 pm

If Schools are going to insist on uniforms why is it most times you nave to go to a certain shop to get them? Invariably this shop is the only one that sells the uniforms and the prices are very high.

by Syl Thu Feb 11, 2016 9:30 pm

It usually is just the blazer or jacket that needs to conform exactly.
Most high street shops sell the other items like shirts, polo shirts, trousers etc and they are actually cheaper now than when my own son went to school.

In any case, uniforms usually work out cheaper than branded designer clothes which a lot of kids want to wear.

by Major Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:05 pm

Syl wrote:
Stormee wrote:There are boarding facilities Syl but I do not believe many take it up.

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Warwick_School

It looks like a very prestigious place to go to Stormee...well done your grandson. x

He is one of the "little bleed' Syl.
He cost me a small fortune in a BONUS if he got through, I dare not tell you what it was on here.

by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:25 pm

Syl wrote:One reason school uniforms are beneficial (imo) is that they put everyone on an even playing field. You don't get one kid dressed in Primark and another in designer gear (which is important to kids, specially the ones who have little)

Even if they were all wearing stuff from Primark, some would be judged by other girls for having the "wrong" kind of trousers/jeggings/leggings, or whatever.

by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:27 pm

Stormee wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:They're not shoes, they're boots.

I admire you get straight to the point, Miss Ragga. lol

It's absurd for anyone to claim that they're shoes. Laughing

by Guest Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:40 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Stormee wrote:

I admire you get straight to the point, Miss Ragga. lol

It's absurd for anyone to claim that they're shoes.

Are you saying boots are not a type of shoe?

A boot is a type of footwear and a specific type of shoe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot

Its absurd how you keep digging yourself a hole every time you open your mouth

by Raggamuffin Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:44 pm

Didge, if you can't be civil, don't expect a conversation. You've been obnoxious for days now, and it's a bit boring.

by Guest Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:57 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Didge, if you can't be civil, don't expect a conversation. You've been obnoxious for days now, and it's a bit boring.

Ha ha ha pathetic excuse for you being an ignorant fuckwit

What you should have said is,. shit didge, you just make me look like a right complete dick lol

When you gain a personality implant, then I will consider being civil to an obnoxious brat love

by Guest Thu Feb 11, 2016 11:58 pm

oH and I should add

1 out of 10 for the worst deflection to get you out of looking a dumbass Rags

lol

See ya

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:06 am

Getting upset in a thread about shoes versus boots will do you no good Didge. I really think that there's something wrong with you - especially just lately.

by Raggamuffin Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:12 am

Syl wrote:I doubt the school changed the rule of shoes not boots without giving notice, if they did they are wrong. If they gave appropriate notice parents should buy their kids stuff that fits within that schools dress code.
Son and grandson had to wear black leather shoes....not trainers or boots, so that's what we bought.

The most ridiculous aspect is the fact that this is in the papers, if the girl is stressed maybe her mum should have thought of that before she chased her 5 minutes of fame.

Yes, once again someone is just attention seeking. I'm sure we didn't used to see "news" stories about girls being told off for wearing the wrong shoes at school.

There's another story floating around about a girl of 15 who wears a corset. Who on earth told the papers about that one?

by Guest Fri Feb 12, 2016 5:54 am

Raggamuffin wrote:Getting upset in a thread about shoes versus boots will do you no good Didge. I really think that there's something wrong with you - especially just lately.

Well maybe you should take your own advise Rags, being as I made you look a tit ha ha

So if laughter is being upset to you, I would also make a appointment to see your GP as well Laughing

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