A Boy’s Discovery Rebuts Temple Mount Revisionism

Palestinians deny Jewish roots at the holy site, but a newly unearthed artifact confirms historical truths.

A 10-year-old Russian boy, Matvei Tcepliaev, recently made an extraordinary discovery in Jerusalem. Working as a volunteer in the Temple Mount Sifting Project, he found a 3,000-year-old seal—engraved limestone about the size of a thimble, with a hole at one end so it could be hung from a string—from the time of King David. The artifact was nestled in the hundreds of tons of earth and rock that had been illegally excavated from below the Temple Mount in the late 1990s by the Muslim Waqf, a trust that retains authority over the contested site. The Temple Mount is sacred ground for Jews, Muslims and Christians, but Jewish historical claims are denied by many Muslims.

The sifting project in Emek Tzurim National Park in Jerusalem, started in 2005 and has uncovered several historically significant objects, but the seal may be the most important. Dating from the era of King David’s conquest of Jerusalem and the building of the Jewish First Temple by his son and successor, Solomon, the seal confirms the ancient Jewish presence in Jerusalem—more than a millennium before the Muslim Dome of the Rock was built above the ruins of the ancient temples. If it is ironic that the Muslim excavation, undertaken to build an underground mosque, ultimately confirmed Jews’ historical claims, it is no less ironic than the fact that the Waqf came to rule the site at Israel’s instigation.

Following Israel’s extraordinary victory over its Arab foes in the Six-Day War in June 1967, which included capturing the entire city of Jerusalem, Israeli Col. Motta Gur proclaimed: “The Temple Mount is in our hands.” Joyous Israeli soldiers gathered at the Western Wall below and sang Hatikva, the national anthem. Shlomo Goren, a brigadier general and future chief rabbi of Israel, exultantly blew his shofar. But Defense Minister Moshe Dayan had other ideas about Jewish sovereignty on the Temple Mount. A secular Israeli, he relied on a rabbinical consensus that Jews were forbidden to set foot on the Mount lest they risk desecrating the unknown site of the Holy of Holies, the inner sanctuary of the Jewish temple that housed the Ark of the Covenant.

After declaring that “we have reunited the city, the capital of Israel, never to part it again,” Dayan met with Muslim leaders inside the Dome of the Rock. An agreement was reached: The Waqf ban on Jews visiting the Temple Mount would be ended—even if many preferred to continue to observe the rabbinical prohibition—but Jews wouldn’t be allowed to pray there. Shakespeare, not the Bible or Quran, proclaimed: “What’s past is prologue.” Dayan’s concession prepared the way for conflict on the Temple Mount that continues today. The Palestinians’ Second Intifada erupted in September 2000 after Likud leader Ariel Sharon visited the Temple Mount—not to pray but to assert the legitimacy of a Jewish presence at the most ancient Jewish holy site. He was widely castigated for asserting a historical truth.

A similarly tragic scenario is now unfolding in Jerusalem, and throughout Israel, as Palestinians attack Jews with bullets, knives and rocks. Although Secretary of State John Kerry absurdly attributed the bloody rampage to Palestinians’ frustration with Israeli settlement-building, informed observers note that the outbreak of violence has been stoked by false rumors that Israel is on the verge of rewriting the Temple Mount rules, including allowing Jews to pray there. This may or may not be a prelude to a third intifada. What is clear is that for years the Muslim Waqf has continued to oversee excavations below the surface of the Temple Mount, with callous disregard for what archaeologists could learn about the Mount’s Jewish history in antiquity.

That policy is of a piece with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s dismissal of any Jewish connection to the Temple Mount. “Al-Aksa is ours and so is the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. They have no right to desecrate them with their filthy feet,” Mr. Abbas told activists at an Oct. 14 meeting in his Ramallah office, the Jerusalem Post reported. Not that Jews ever doubted their religious roots at Temple Mount, but now they have a 10-year-old boy to thank for providing them with a three-millennia-old artifact that refutes modern propaganda designed to rewrite history. Just as the seal was used long ago as evidence of authority, so today it puts a stamp of approval on Jewish claims to their history at the holiest site in Jerusalem.

link please

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-boys-discovery-rebuts-temple-mount-revisionism-1445806184

Never mind, I found it.  So - it confirms a Jewish presence before the Mosque.  Big deal, that was known.  It doesn't confirm a Temple in any way.  More hasbara.

Oh, and the lie they intend to keep the status quo, even when IDF stop Palestinians entering the mosque and escort Jews in:

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister: I Dream of Israeli Flag on Temple Mount

Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely (Likud) said on Monday that “my dream is to see the Israeli flag flying over the Temple Mount,” and called on the government to allow Jews to go up to the mount and pray there. The deputy foreign minister’s comments, which were disowned by the Prime Minister's Office, came amid diplomatic attempts to quell rising tensions regarding the flashpoint site, which were sparked by Palestinian fears that Israel wanted to change the status quo on the site that is holy to both Jews and Muslims.

“My dream is to see the Israeli flag flying over the Temple Mount,” said Hotovely during a program on the Knesset’s TV channel. "It’s the holiest place for the Jewish people.” In addition, Hotovely reiterated her previously stated position that Jews should be allowed to ascend and pray on the Temple Mount.


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The point is that the Palestinian aiuthorities in the Abbas and the Grand Mufti etc, have then been promoting lies and fabrications. Off these lies they have regurgitated  former accusations labbled at the Jews authorities around the Temple Mount, to stir up violence. It is not the first time in history this has happened.

The sad reality is what problem would there even be over the Temple Mount and the Mosque, if it not for some Muslims, for decades seeking and wishing to create unnecessary problems over religious access for all religious groups. This has only ccome from the Palestinian authorities themselves. All should access to these sites,, religious or non-religious. Not have some Palestinian authority figures continue to make absurd prejudice demands that deny Jews access to the site. That is Aparthied Sassy, religious Apartheid demanded is imposed by some of the Palestinian authorites. They even colloboratted with Arab nations to force a vote within the UN, which would have made the remenants of the Herod Temple Wall, suddenlly become Islamic, under the control and sphere of the Mosque.

That is absurd.

Like I say, it is by and large the Palestinian leadership who constantly continue to keep the flames of a conflict alive with Israel. Of course Israel also does not help with settlements, but the very fact both sides lay claim to religious privilidge based on them each viewing their own faith is right, is why the well being of others is ognored by both sides. Like I say both sides do wrong, but more than anything, it is the PLO, Hamas, Fatah who do their upmost to not seek real peace, but continue to keep the conflict alive, until these 3 groups aims are achieved. A time, where Israel does not exist to them.

If Israel had of wanted to do anything to the Mosque, it would have done years ago. Even then, it would be the world biggest PR failure for Israel to ever consider knocking down the Mosque. Hence why it is very remote that any Israeli leadership would do something so dsft. This sadly was the invention of Abbas, starved of attention by the world because of thwe Syrian conflict. Not giving a damn about the lives of Palestinians or israelis, but ensuring the continued path to violence and not peace

sassy wrote:Oh, and the lie they intend to keep the status quo, even when IDF stop Palestinians entering the mosque and escort Jews in:

Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister: I Dream of Israeli Flag on Temple Mount

Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely (Likud) said on Monday that “my dream is to see the Israeli flag flying over the Temple Mount,” and called on the government to allow Jews to go up to the mount and pray there. The deputy foreign minister’s comments, which were disowned by the Prime Minister's Office, came amid diplomatic attempts to quell rising tensions regarding the flashpoint site, which were sparked by Palestinian fears that Israel wanted to change the status quo on the site that is holy to both Jews and Muslims.

“My dream is to see the Israeli flag flying over the Temple Mount,” said Hotovely during a program on the Knesset’s TV channel. "It’s the holiest place for the Jewish people.” In addition, Hotovely reiterated her previously stated position that Jews should be allowed to ascend and pray on the Temple Mount.


read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.682462

There would be no need to hinder any Muslims attending prayer service at the Mosque if not for violence incited by the Palestinian authorities. Which with lies in the first place, the main problem and cause of the issue.

You never look at the root cause to a problem Sassy.

A religious building should never be used as a pawn, as it is with both the Israeli and Palestinian authorities. Yet again it is lies formulated that have sparked off violence and then restrictions to these areas. None of which would be needed in the first place, if the likes of Abbas had not deliverately incited violence through lies.

You so love your hasbara.

So as per usual, when faced with countless points you cannot answer. Or where apllying someone else's views formed in an article. Which you mistakenly believe is an actual counter, when it should only be supporting evidence to your views made. As you made next to no views, even though before you had badly tried to be a history revisionist on this very aspect. You now decide as if by clockwork, to post some really lame humour, as your get out of jail free card, from actually engaging in the points made.


Quell surprise

Of course I can answer, but it doesn't matter how many answers you are given, you are a racist against Palestinians and you will continue spouting hasbara.  The lockouts of the mosque were not caused by violence, the lock outs have been happening for years Didge, years.  And the IDF have been attacking Palestinians entering the mosque for years, including women.

sassy wrote:Of course I can answer, but it doesn't matter how many answers you are given, you are a racist against Palestinians and you will continue spouting hasbara.  The lockouts of the mosque were not caused by violence, the lock outs have been happening for years Didge, years.  And the IDF have been attacking Palestinians entering the mosque for years, including women.

So now you invent lies to claim I view Palestinians, as inferior, when I have never made any such claim. I do not even hold xenophobic views towards the Palestinian people and only wish they had far better leadership, that di not constantly take advantaged of them. Again violence erupted before because of lies formulated around more Jews having access to the area, an area which is to both Jews and Muslims as important. You neglect the part where again these Palestinian youths, have been fed a lie, where they have attacked not only Jewish visitors, but Christian as well, by hurling debris at them and hurling insults/
Again all down to an absurd PLO Apartheid religious policy, which seeks ti deny religious Jews access to a joint are viewed by both as very religious.


Now if all you can do is shout racist and offer up more feeble answers, failing to counter many of my points. I think you would be better placed and far more evenly matched to debate your own reflection in the mirror. There no matter how naffed off you may get with each other, it is only your mirror image that is bothering you.

See, there you go, giving evidence, refuse to even see it and resort to your final sentence.  You can't change and it's pointless talking to you.  Continue with your hasbara, because the walls around it are tumbling down and now the Israelis who are not extremists see that their government is working against their own interests and the rest of the world sees them as pariahs, and the end is in sight for Israeli extremists.  You can't occupy a people for nearly 50 years without destroying yourself and that is what is happening.

So again still nothing to refute my points.
More poor distractions and anything to get out of actually talking about how this has always stemmed from those on the Palestinian authorities, who demanded that jews be denied access, to what is them, their most holiest religious site in the World. Imagine , the US denying the access of millions of Muslims to Mecca.

Anyway it seems you are going to offer me more feeble excuses.

Night

There you go, proving what I said.

Proving that you fail to address nearly every point made?

Yes we know, now I am not going to go around in circles, with you Sassy, when you have very limited knowledge of history, which is very telling on this.

Laters

Same old, same old.

See we are back to The Waltons routine as well.