ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD

by eddie Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:57 am

First topic message reminder :

Take this in:

In the United States alone, at least 9 percent of kids are diagnosed with ADHD and are being treated with different kinds of pharmaceutical medications. The design of our school system is horribly outdated and provides little benefit in comparison to how transformative it could truly be.

adhd-kidsImagine schools like this, which funnily enough James cameron created; that allow you to create whatever you want.

Your teachers should be in support of what you want to do in life. Classrooms should be outside or at least in different, stimulating places.

Children should not be forced to sit in class rooms every day – it is completely keeping them from understanding their full potential.

This education system is in place for a very specific reason, and it’s all connected to the pharmaceutical and governmental systems.

Now, the percentage of children with AHDH in France is dramatically less at less than .5 percent.

So what is going on here?

Our medical system is a lot less honest. Child psychiatrists in the States consider ADHD as a biological order. As in, the neurons firing in your brain have to do with you alone and not your environment and social situations. This is absurd because your interaction with reality will determine how your brain functions, how it will process information and what different chemicals it will produce.

Why don’t our doctors understand this?

French child psychiatrists, on the other hand, see ADHD being linked to psycho-social and situational causes. Instead of drugging children, they focus on the behavioral problems and look for the underlying issue that is causing the child distress.

It does not exist in the child’s brain, but rather them in a social context. They treat the kids with different forms of counseling which is how it should be!

In France, fewer children qualify for the ADHD diagnosis. In the States, ADHD is a lot more broad and views normal childhood behavior as something that needs to be contained and medicated.

Children are playing on green meadowFrance is aware enough to even approach this holistically through nutritional and lifestyle changes. Ingredients like aspartame, artificial coloring or flavor, preservatives and GMO’s can contribute to this ‘disorder’.

Supposedly, the creator of “ADHD” said that it was a fictitious disorder. It doesn’t really exist, our society is just designed completely wrong.

So then we numb our delicate children’s brains out with harsh medication like Ritalin or Adderall, in hopes to calm them down, when children need to the opposite.

They need to be excited, run around and get their energy out. We are harming our younger generations so much! Please see this; it’s obvious to anyone who really looks.

http://thespiritscience.net/2015/07/10/adhd-does-not-exist-why-french-children-dont-have-adhd/

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:56 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:We're still in the early stages of learning so much about how the mind works and how it can become dysfunctional. Why do people have to take something like ADHD -- we've all known kids who have it -- and immediately chalk it up to a conspiracy for big pharma to make more money in cahoots with the educational system?

the problem is ADHD is not a dysfunction as little as 70 years ago it was not a problem because the kids with that mindset where just the best at rounding up the goats.

it is really just a combination of traits that used to beneficial when Children where put to work around the house/yard but are detrimental to sitting down and listening for 6+ hours a day.

it sort of is a scam, most learning difficulties teachers suggest only about 1% of diagnoses are real. But learning difficulties teachers are more expensive than a regular teacher... you see it is cheaper or profitable for gov't and business just to drug them rather than train an adult in the skills needed to educate them. It is not a conspiracy it is pretty much in the open, it appeals to number crunchers who make up budgetary justification for the gov't to reduce spending on public education While pretending to help families by making discount drugs available.

1) It was not well understood 70 years ago, flawed reasoning.

2) Teachers are not medical professionals and in many cases they fail to see if there is an underlining problem. In a teacher does not understand ADHD they are not going to see the signs of a problem within a child as medical buta behavioural problem.

Some info:

Some common misunderstandings of ADHD include

Failure to understand that most persons with ADHD can focus very well on a few specific activities in which they have strong personal interest or when they are afraid that something very unpleasant will happen very quickly if they don’t take care of this task right now. This leads many to think that persons with ADHD simply lack willpower and could work much more effectively all the time if they really wanted to. It is difficult for many to understand why these shortcomings can’t be fixed simply by more effort. They don’t see that most of these operations are unconsciously determined by automaticity.

Failure to understand that ADHD is not an “all-or-nothing” experience like pregnancy where one either is or is not. It is more like depression. Everyone gets sad and bummed out sometimes, but we don’t diagnose a person as clinically depressed if they are just unhappy once in a while. All of the symptoms of ADHD are problems everyone has sometimes, but diagnosis of ADHD should be made only when a person is significantly and chronically impaired by those symptoms.

Failure to understand that medications for ADHD cure nothing; they do not eradicate ADHD impairments as an antibiotic might cure an infection. For about 80% of those diagnosed with ADHD, prescribed medications can significantly alleviate ADHD symptoms. However, the benefits of these medications end when the medication wears off each day, just as eyeglasses provide no improvement of vision while they are not being worn.

Failure to understand that none of the medications for ADHD work effectively for everyone diagnosed and that the amount and timing of stimulant medication for a given individual has not much to do with age, weight, or severity of symptoms. It depends upon how sensitive that person’s body is to that medication and how quickly they metabolize it. Ongoing fine-tuning of dose and timing is essential for successful treatment.

Failure to understand that the risks of not treating ADHD effectively are far greater than the risks of providing appropriate treatment. Any medical treatment carries some risks for some people. These risks are minimal for most persons with ADHD so long as their overall health is adequate and their ADHD treatment is appropriately designed and adequately monitored. Risks of not providing appropriate treatment for ADHD include risks of significant problems with education and learning, employment, driving, family interactions, social relationships, self-management and self-esteem. Inadequate treatment also heightens risk of substance use disorder, depression and anxiety disorders.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:00 am

Some more info:

Myth # 3: ADHD is Over-Diagnosed
Critics claim that ADHD is over-diagnosed and many children with the diagnosis do not have ADHD. Despite these claims, it is difficult to find evidence that ADHD is over-diagnosed or that stimulant medications are over-prescribed (Jensen et al., 1999). Moreover, Jensen et al. (1999) suggest that in "some cases ADHD may be undiagnosed and/or untreated" (p. 798). Although this is a complex problem, prevalence rates of ADHD range from two to nine percent (Barkley, 1998). Rates vary depending on the rating scales employed, the criteria used to make a diagnosis, the use of cut-off scores, and changes in diagnostic criteria. Prevalence rates increased when ADHD -- primarily inattentive type (ADHD-PI) -- was added to the DSM-IV (Wolraich et al., 1996).
Changes in special education legislation in the early 1990s increased general awareness of ADHD as a handicapping condition and provided the legal basis for the diagnosis and treatment of ADHD in the school setting. These legal mandates have increased the number of school-based services available to children with ADHD and may have inadvertently led some to conclude that ADHD is a new disorder that is over-diagnosed. Back to Top
Myth # 4: Children with ADHD are Over-medicated
"Critics of stimulant treatment for youths with attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) have increased their rhetoric of late, contending that the leading medication for it, Ritalin, is vastly over-prescribed" (Safer, 2000, p. 55). There are seemingly contradictory data that contribute to this confusion -- e.g., a steady increase in stimulant use, although most school-aged children with ADHD are not medicated in the community (Jensen et al., 1999).
Although there has been an increase in the rate of prescriptions for stimulants and an increase in the production of methylphenidate, "little is known about why these increases are occurring" (Jensen et al., 1999, p. 797). "Most researchers believe that much of the increased use of stimulants reflects better diagnosis and more effective treatment of a prevalent disorder." (Surgeon General's Report, 2001, p. 149). Others suggest that the changes may be a function of increased prescription rates for girls and teens with ADHD (Safer, 2000). The percentage of children who receive medication of any kind is small. Goldman et al. (1998) reported that 2.8 percent of elementary-aged students were on medication, and that stimulants accounted for 99 percent of the prescribed medications. So while there has been an increase in the number of prescriptions, a relatively low overall rate of stimulant use is reported in school-aged children. Physicians in the community tend to use less than optimal doses, have fewer follow-up monitoring sessions, and less medication compliance than recommended by the MTA study (Jensen et al., 2001). Back to Top
Myth # 5: Poor Parenting Causes ADHD
This misconception may be the most difficult to dispel because parenting characteristics (i.e., being critical, commanding, negative) and poor management do exacerbate ADHD and increase the risk for comorbid disorders (e.g., oppositional defiance and conduct disorders; Barkley, 1998). Twin studies exploring the contribution of environmental factors (e.g., parenting practices, parental psychopathology) find that genetic factors and not a shared environment account for the greatest variance in ADHD symptoms -- about 80 percent (Goodman & Stevenson, 1989). While management difficulties influence parent-child conflicts and the maintenance of hyperactivity and oppositional problems in young children (Barkley et al., 1990), Barkley (1998) concludes that "theories of causation of ADHD can no longer be based solely or even primarily on social factors, such as parental characteristics, caregiving abilities, child management, or other family environmental factors" (p. 176).
Other factors may play a causal role in the individual differences in symptoms of ADHD, including exposure to environmental toxins (e.g., elevated blood lead, prenatal exposure to alcohol and tobacco smoke), but not all children exposed to these risk factors have high rates of hyperactivity, nor do all children with ADHD have these risk factors (Barkley, 1998). Furthermore, pregnancy and birth complications are not more frequent in children with ADHD compared to normal children. Although other factors (e.g., family adversity, poverty, educational/occupational status, home environment, poor nutrition, environmental toxins, ineffective childrearing practices) do not appear to have a significant contribution to the development of ADHD symptoms (see Barkley, 1998 for a review) these factors contribute to comorbid disorders and complicate treatment effectiveness.
Johnston and Freeman (2002) identified a number of inaccurate or non-scientifically-based parent beliefs about the causes of ADHD including: allergic reactions or sensitivity to foods, family problems like alcoholism or marital discord, high sugar consumption, ineffective discipline, lazy learning habits, a lack of motivation, etc. In this study, inaccurate or "false beliefs" were associated with parental attributions that children were responsible for their ADHD symptoms (symptoms are intentional and children can control their symptoms), and with the use of less effective treatment (e.g., diet control). Parent perceptions and beliefs about the nature of ADHD are related to treatment outcome (Hoza et al., 2000). Furthermore, attributions that ADHD symptoms are intentional and controllable often result in harsh, critical and punitive parenting practices (Johnston & Patenaude, 1994). These misperceptions are frequently addressed in parent training components of multimodal treatment plans. Back to Top
Myth # 6: Minority Children are Over-Diagnosed with ADHD and are Over-Medicated
Access to diagnosis and treatment of mental health illnesses varies depending on gender, race and social economic status (SES), but not in the way one might predict. The Executive Summary on Mental Health: Culture, Race and Ethnicity from the Report of the Surgeon General (2001) shows that African American youths are over-represented in arrests, detentions, incarcerations, classes for emotional disturbance and the child welfare system. However, African Americans do not appear to receive needed treatment for ADHD or for other mental health disorders.
Research investigating ADHD in African American youths is also sparse. In a study of public school children and youths in Florida, Bussing et al. (1998) found that service delivery to African American children was deficient even though there was no evidence that the incidence rate of ADHD was lower than those reported in whites. Bussing et al. (1998) found that: (1) only 50 percent of children with ADHD were receiving treatment, (2) girls were underserved at a rate three times lower than boys, and (3) whites were three times more likely to be referred compared to African American children. In the few studies exploring medication rates across races, ethnic minority children are 2 to 2.5 times less likely to be medicated for ADHD compared to white children (Safer & Malever, 2000).
Access to treatment is affected by a number of factors unrelated to need including: (1) a lack of perceived need; (2) system barriers including availability, cost and language; (3) concerns that their children would be taken from the home if parents seek services; (4) stigma associated with seeking help for mental illnesses; and, (5) cost of treatment, lack of adequate reimbursement, length of treatment and cost of medication (Bussing et al., 1998). Furthermore, African Americans are more likely to leave mental health treatment prematurely, and are less likely to receive care. Evidence suggests that minority children are not over medicated and may be underserved for ADHD. Back to Top
Myth # 7: Girls Have Lower Rates and Less Severe ADHD than Boys
According to the Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health (2001) girls are less likely to receive a diagnosis of and treatment for ADHD compared to boys despite need. Gaub and Carlson (1997) found that girls with ADHD have greater intellectual impairment, but lower rates of hyperactivity and externalizing disorders compared to boys. Girls with ADHD have more severe internalizing disorders than boys, and both show more similarities than differences in symptoms and treatment needs. Biederman et al. (1999) found that girls with ADHD were more likely to have conduct problems, mood and anxiety disorders, lower IQ, and more impairment on social, family and school functioning than non-referred girls. However, conduct problems were lower in girls than in males with ADHD, which may account for lower referral rates in community and school samples. Girls in clinic samples also had high rates of substance abuse, alcohol, drug and cigarette use, and were at an increased risk for panic and obsessive compulsive disorders (Biederman et al., 1999).
Finally, Rucklidge and Tanner (2001) found that girls with ADHD were more impaired than a control group on measures of depression, anxiety, self-esteem, overall symptom distress and stress. Girls with ADHD reported strained relationships with teachers, thoughts of suicide, and past episodes of self-harm. Compared to boys with ADHD, girls with ADHD reported higher rates of overall distress, anxiety and depression, and demonstrated more hyperactivity, conduct and cognitive deficits. Parents and teachers noted higher rates of inattention, hyperactivity, oppositional defiance, conduct problems, social difficulties, depression and anxiety. Girls may report more distress than boys, and they "may be more affected by environmental factors than males with ADHD" (Rucklidge & Tanner, 2001). Thus, gender differences need to be more fully addressed in longitudinal and treatment studies.
Myths and inaccurate information about ADHD should be dispelled by scientific findings. However, popularly held "false beliefs," which are often perpetuated by emotional or unexamined arguments, do more harm than good. They do little to advance our knowledge and do a lot to discourage individuals from seeking help and from using effective treatments for ADHD that have undergone rigorous scientific scrutiny.

by veya_victaous Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:42 am

missed point entirely
it was, that was the KID YOU LIKED 70 years ago was the one with ADHD because he rounded up the goats and got up early and got the eggs
the problem is we don't need the kid with the boundless energy anymore.
Society didn't like 4 eyed book worms in the past but due to change in society they are now the KID YOU LIKE because they sit still and are quiet.

Personally My kid I'd trust a teacher like my mother that taught ADHD and all sorts of other learning difficulties kids for 35years day in day out. than some psycho babble wanker looking at raw data and having to make up something new in order to justify their pay check.

Plus interesting that they used to be able to cure it and she did regularly with out drugs, but now got to get little jimmy on these pills. And where you can say it is a bit of a concern is that children are often put on these pills without second opinions or referrals even to the learning difficulties teacher at the school any child with ADHD will be on file with the learning difficulties teacher a large part of there job is to identify the students that will need their help as early as possible.

And we are not talking normal teachers we are talking learning difficulties teachers that work more with disadvantage children than a Psychologist ever will. They have 80% of the same qualification it takes 8 years to become a learning difficulties teacher. THAT IS WHY they are more expensive, unlike the drug script they actually FIX the problem long term (hundred of kids stop taking medication and are successful adult thanks to every single learning Difficulties teacher the system employees) which even you C&P says the drugs will not do.

PS it is a behavioral problem. the science is probably going to NOT come down on the side of Pills and rather on the side of greater interpersonal relationships.... AND You do realize NONE of your C&P is actual facts just hypothesis FROM PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES !!!!

I am 100% sure that the results are not in and I also know that diet and interpersonal relationships are so far considered the new 'correct solution' but like anyone that actually works in education knows that it does change every few years.

by veya_victaous Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:47 am

And the brain chem argument I will shut you down on before you make it

First You have to Show that there is a correct brain chemistry. And it is pretty easily to argue that for evolutionary purposes until very recently ADHD symptoms are Advantages. they are only an issue due to the combination of stationary lifestyle and standardized schooling hours.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:50 am

No you still fail to understand.
The problem was not recognised 70 years ago so that is a very flawed view. AS to your understanding, you just do as others and go off fear based views promoted on the web without ever really researching the subject and then as seen makes claims of pharma companies doing this for profit ignoring the fact that countless medical professionals have studied this for over 4 decades coming to many of the same conclusions. Any claim you are making in regards to cures are nothing more than hearsay and have no scientific backing, just the views of something who finds more empathy with a machine than he does a human.

What I suggest you do is go back to this from the start and look at from an unbiased position you already have and look at the studies and evidence. I then suggest you work with some children who have ADHD and not offer me hearsay nonsense because if you did work with children who have this condition you would know it is very real. Its no good offering me hearsay and from a poster I have about as much respect for your views as I do Tommy's. They lack any substance.

by Guest Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:52 am

veya_victaous wrote:And the brain chem argument I will shut you down on before you make it

First You have to Show that there is a correct brain chemistry. And it is pretty easily to argue that for evolutionary purposes until very recently ADHD symptoms are Advantages. they are only an issue due to the combination of stationary lifestyle and standardized schooling hours.

Please learn:

http://psychcentral.com/lib/causes-of-attention-deficit-disorder-adhd/

http://www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/Attention-Deficit%20Hyperactivity%20Disorder%20(ADHD).html

US researchers have pinned down new differences in the brain chemistry of people with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
They found ADHD patients lack key proteins which allow them to experience a sense of reward and motivation.
The Brookhaven National Laboratory study appears in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
It is hoped it could help in the design of new ways to combat the condition.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8243354.stm

by eddie Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:48 pm

Can I put my hand up here?

I HAVE worked with ADHD children, and those classsd with learning difficulties.

Veya and Didge, both of you make very valid points and you're both right; I do think that some children are quick to be given drugs and I do know that a lot of the "crap" parents at the school I was at, seemed to have more than one child with ADHD....translated to "my children are left to run wild and I can't control them"

Yet, there aRe definitely children that have some kind of difficulty with the way they function in social and educational settings. Some are diagnosed quickly but with others, it can take some time as each child and case is really different and unique.

Home life is definitely taken into consideration and also any other siblings (if at the same school).

It takes a good while to get a statement for a child, they're not just given out willy-nilly.

by veya_victaous Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:16 pm

Cuchulain wrote:No you still fail to understand. NO YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HAVING A NAME FOR IT DID MAKE IT EXIST MORON IT ALREADY EXISTED IT WAS CALLED THE GOOD KID WITH BOUNDLESS ENERGY
The problem was not recognised 70 years ago so that is a very flawed view. AS to your understanding, you just do as others and go off fear based views promoted on the web without ever really researching the subject and then as seen makes claims of pharma companies doing this for profit ignoring the fact that countless medical professionals have studied this for over 4 decades coming to many of the same conclusions. Any claim you are making in regards to cures are nothing more than hearsay and have no scientific backing, just the views of something who finds more empathy with a machine than he does a human.

What I suggest you do is go back to this from the start and look at from an unbiased position you already have and look at the studies and evidence. I then suggest you work with some children who have ADHD and not offer me hearsay nonsense because if you did work with children who have this condition you would know it is very real. Its no good offering me hearsay and from a poster I have about as much respect for your views as I do Tommy's. They lack any substance.

by veya_victaous Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:26 pm

Cuchulain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:And the brain chem argument I will shut you down on before you make it

First You have to Show that there is a correct brain chemistry. And it is pretty easily to argue that for evolutionary purposes until very recently ADHD symptoms are Advantages. they are only an issue due to the combination of stationary lifestyle and standardized schooling hours.

Please learn:

http://psychcentral.com/lib/causes-of-attention-deficit-disorder-adhd/

http://www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/Attention-Deficit%20Hyperactivity%20Disorder%20(ADHD).html

US researchers have pinned down new differences in the brain chemistry of people with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
They found ADHD patients lack key proteins which allow them to experience a sense of reward and motivation.
The Brookhaven National Laboratory study appears in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
It is hoped it could help in the design of new ways to combat the condition.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8243354.stm

fucktard seriously Stop posting basic shit. that you obviously don't understand because if you did understand what you posted you would realize I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT.

Those pill adjust brain chemistry I am not saying they don't have a variation of brain chemistry I am saying their Brain Chem is not the problem, it is the one size fits all system and we can teach them and make them functional members of society with out giving them psychotropic chemicals. It just COST MORE.

WHAT IS YOUR JOB you have never said and like the other on here I don't believe you have a job or not a good one anyway. I have been pretty open about the fact i work in education technology. Like Eddie I WORK IN THE EDUCTION SYSTEM your web search Copy past shit in nothing I have not only seen but also seen the other side AND who supports which. People that care about money suggest Pills, people that care about education suggest 'effort/expense on behalf of the system'.

YOU CANNOT COPY AND PASTE AND ANSWER SINCE IT IS STILL DEBATED AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS, and since you cant copy and paste your way out of this you may as well give up now. Because as usual You know nothing but shit you parrot
It is funny you bring up Tommy because you are more of a brain dead parrot than him.

by Tommy Monk Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:34 pm

Bad parenting and/or bad diet will of course be major factors in the way children may behave... but also I think there is too much expectation for children to be characterless zombie like nodding dogs.

by veya_victaous Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:34 pm

eddie wrote:Can I put my hand up here?

I HAVE worked with ADHD children, and those classsd with learning difficulties.

Veya and Didge, both of you make very valid points and you're both right; I do think that some children are quick to be given drugs and I do know that a lot of the "crap" parents at the school I was at, seemed to have more than one child with ADHD....translated to "my children are left to run wild and I can't control them"

Yet, there aRe definitely children that have some kind of difficulty with the way they function in social and educational settings. Some are diagnosed quickly but with others, it can take some time as each child and case is really different and unique.

Home life is definitely taken into consideration and also any other siblings (if at the same school).

It takes a good while to get a statement for a child, they're not just given out willy-nilly.

In your experience Do you think MOST ADHD kids could be taught with out drugs in Smaller class sizes with specialist teachers? and plentiful resources.

Pretty sure You Will agree that IF funding was not an issue and you could half class sizes, employ additional teachers aides, Plus give the teachers the specialist training to deal with these children, we could reduce the amount of children being diagnosed with ADHD dramatically.

by veya_victaous Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Bad parenting and/or bad diet will of course be major factors in the way children may behave... but also I think there is too much expectation for children to be characterless zombie like nodding dogs.

exactly Tommy

in the past kids ran in the paddocks half the day, the Kid with ADHD was just the adventurous little bugger always helping dad out on the farm, catching fish int he local creek etc..

Basically if Nicko behaved the way he did in his childhood today he would be diagnosed with ADHD.

by Tommy Monk Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:09 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Bad parenting and/or bad diet will of course be major factors in the way children may behave... but also I think there is too much expectation for children to be characterless zombie like nodding dogs.

exactly Tommy

in the past kids ran in the paddocks half the day, the Kid with ADHD was just the adventurous little bugger always helping dad out on the farm, catching fish int he local creek etc..

Basically if Nicko behaved the way he did in his childhood today he would be diagnosed with ADHD.

Not so long ago it was the quiet kids who didn't play out all the time and who were quiet and characterless who were considered to not be quite right...

Is it really any surprise that todays heavily leftie dominated education system doesn't want the bright and lively kids who ask difficult questions and have minds of their own...!?

Only wanting those who are easy to 'program' as future drones... and claiming the others have something wrong with them...!?

Is this 'progressive' too...!?

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:19 am

this is not LW or RW
it is accounting, it is just cheapest option so bean counters love it. and pollies can spend less of tax payers money on tax payers and give more to their mates. Lets be honest most pollies regardless of side are in politic for personal gain and nothing else.

also it is not a progressive stance at all, it would be consumerist. the whole drone thing is consumerist, don't think just buy, base your happiness around material good etc.

there is more sides than just left or right within both sides there other prerogatives Like although I am a technocrat and LW there are still RW technocrats.

by Irn Bru Tue Jul 14, 2015 12:46 am

At the end of the day how do we explain the low rate of ADHD in France?

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 1:51 am

Irn Bru wrote:At the end of the day how do we explain the low rate of ADHD in France?

funding more 'learning difficulties' teachers Wink

also/previously known as 'special education' 'special needs' 'High intensity learning' and a bunch of other things.

Plus not just taking US research as truth, the US does not have the standards that most of other western nations have and allows non disclosed funding, while the US presents a particular picture as says "You need drugs" almost every other nation when it has done it's own studies have found other solutions.

French child psychiatrists, on the other hand, see ADHD being linked to psycho-social and situational causes. Instead of drugging children, they focus on the behavioral problems and look for the underlying issue that is causing the child distress.

It does not exist in the child’s brain, but rather them in a social context. They treat the kids with different forms of counseling which is how it should be!

In France, fewer children qualify for the ADHD diagnosis. In the States, ADHD is a lot more broad and views normal childhood behavior as something that needs to be contained and medicated.

http://thespiritscience.net/2015/07/10/adhd-does-not-exist-why-french-children-dont-have-adhd/

Even in the USA concept schools like MUSE have reduced ADHD to almost zero with out drugs, How? Spending Money on maximizing education opportunities and choices in more than just the traditional blackboard and desks environment.
http://museschool.org/about-muse/mission-guiding-principles/
http://museschool.org/about-muse/the-muse-difference/

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:43 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:No you still fail to understand. NO YOU FAIL TO UNDERSTAND HAVING A NAME FOR IT DID MAKE IT EXIST MORON IT ALREADY EXISTED IT WAS CALLED THE GOOD KID WITH BOUNDLESS ENERGY
The problem was not recognised 70 years ago so that is a very flawed view. AS to your understanding, you just do as others and go off fear based views promoted on the web without ever really researching the subject and then as seen makes claims of pharma companies doing this for profit ignoring the fact that countless medical professionals have studied this for over 4 decades coming to many of the same conclusions. Any claim you are making in regards to cures are nothing more than hearsay and have no scientific backing, just the views of something who finds more empathy with a machine than he does a human.

What I suggest you do is go back to this from the start and look at from an unbiased position you already have and look at the studies and evidence. I then suggest you work with some children who have ADHD and not offer me hearsay nonsense because if you did work with children who have this condition you would know it is very real. Its no good offering me hearsay and from a poster I have about as much respect for your views as I do Tommy's. They lack any substance.

You are not offing any evidence and a load of horseshit.
So stop providing paranoia and waffle.
You are just some idiot on the internet claiming you know more than the leading medical experts in the world.
You have no qualifications on the subject and are another idiot trying to convince people with nonsense.
It is people like you that place children at risk with your stupidity.

All you ever do is offer up babble

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:43 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Please learn:

http://psychcentral.com/lib/causes-of-attention-deficit-disorder-adhd/

http://www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/Attention-Deficit%20Hyperactivity%20Disorder%20(ADHD).html

US researchers have pinned down new differences in the brain chemistry of people with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD).
They found ADHD patients lack key proteins which allow them to experience a sense of reward and motivation.
The Brookhaven National Laboratory study appears in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
It is hoped it could help in the design of new ways to combat the condition.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8243354.stm

fucktard seriously Stop posting basic shit. that you obviously don't understand because if you did understand what you posted you would realize I ALREADY ANSWERED THAT.

Those pill adjust brain chemistry I am not saying they don't have a variation of brain chemistry I am saying their Brain Chem is not the problem, it is the one size fits all system and we can teach them and make them functional members of society with out giving them psychotropic chemicals. It just COST MORE.

WHAT IS YOUR JOB you have never said and like the other on here I don't believe you have a job or not a good one anyway. I have been pretty open about the fact i work in education technology. Like Eddie I WORK IN THE EDUCTION SYSTEM your web search Copy past shit in nothing I have not only seen but also seen the other side AND who supports which. People that care about money suggest Pills, people that care about education suggest 'effort/expense on behalf of the system'.

YOU CANNOT COPY AND PASTE AND ANSWER SINCE IT IS STILL DEBATED AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS, and since you cant copy and paste your way out of this you may as well give up now. Because as usual You know nothing but shit you parrot
It is funny you bring up Tommy because you are more of a brain dead parrot than him.

No evidence again, more hearsay

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 3:44 am

veya_victaous wrote:this is not LW or RW
it is accounting, it is just cheapest option so bean counters love it. and pollies can spend less of tax payers money on tax payers and give more to their mates. Lets be honest most pollies regardless of side are in politic for personal gain and nothing else.

also it is not a progressive stance at all, it would be consumerist. the whole drone thing is consumerist, don't think just buy, base your happiness around material good etc.

there is more sides than just left or right within both sides there other prerogatives Like although I am a technocrat and LW there are still RW technocrats.

More hearsay,
No evidence

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:04 am

you don't get evidence I don't debate morons with absolute no grounding in a subject. what would be the point
You just copy and past OLD Pharmaceutical advertisements. And Most normal People think that is stupid You do not impress anyone with long Copy and Paste surrounded by ignorant parroting.

And IF you bothered to do 5 mins of research you would have found that THERE IS A REASON the lack of drugs in french (and other nations) treatments Because they INVEST IN TEACHERS instead of pills.

French child psychiatrists, on the other hand, see ADHD being linked to psycho-social and situational causes. Instead of drugging children, they focus on the behavioral problems and look for the underlying issue that is causing the child distress.

It does not exist in the child’s brain, but rather them in a social context. They treat the kids with different forms of counseling which is how it should be!

In France, fewer children qualify for the ADHD diagnosis. In the States, ADHD is a lot more broad and views normal childhood behavior as something that needs to be contained and medicated.

http://www.marilynwedgephd.com/WhyFrenchKidsDonthaveADHD.en.html

http://www.amenclinics.com/blog/the-french-secret-to-healing-adhd-without-medication/

In the United States, conventional psychiatry views ADHD as a simple biological-neurological disorder with biological causes.

Diagnosis is made using DSM criteria (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders).
DSM uses a checklist of symptoms and behaviors only – then classifies within a narrow definition.
Social circumstances, emotional traumas and food allergies may be dismissed as “chemical imbalances”.
American doctors largely ignore dietary factors.
ADHD is commonly treated with psycho-stimulant medication alone, or in combination with behavior modification therapy (with low success rates).
In a 5-7 minute office visit it is hard to assess all the factors.

In France, child psychiatrists view ADHD as a medical condition that has psycho-social and situational causes.

Diagnosis is explored using CFTMEA criteria (Classification Française des Troubles Mentaux de L’Enfant et de L’Adolescent).
CFTMEA first looks at underlying social issues that may be causing ADHD behaviors and symptoms.
Doctors help patients identify, understand and work through psychological disruption that may surface as ADHD symptoms.
Dietary factors are explored and addressed by doctors.
Using a holistic approach to treating ADHD, the French dramatically reduce the amount of psycho-stimulant medications given to children.

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:11 am

I offered my views to where she comes up short.
She is going off the French who do not have a broader spectrum for looking at ADHD, she even admits this.

Again allyou are offering is hearsay and no evidence

As to your pathetoc infantile insults itjust further proves my point you have not the first clue what you are talking about and just buy into any garbage you read on the web.

I want to see a concensus of evidence.

In your own time

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:13 am

I just caught the part where you said the American you posted is a leader in the world

LOLOLOLOL

Dumbfuck can you be any more ignorant about a topic
HE IS NOT his work is highly discredited in education circles because it ignores diet and home life and focuses 100% on medication.
EVEN in the US you have many top funded schools purposely Doing the Opposite to his research and getting much better results

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:16 am

veya_victaous wrote:I just caught the part where you said the American you posted is a leader in the world

LOLOLOLOL

Dumbfuck can you be any more ignorant about a topic
HE IS NOT his work is highly discredited in education circles because it ignores diet and home life and focuses 100% on medication.
EVEN in the US you have many top funded schools purposely Doing the Opposite to his research and getting much better results

Again more waffle and hearsay and more infantile iunsults which proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

Again prove the concensus of medical experts aropund the world are wrong with a concensus of medical experts proving them wrong.

Again you offer more hearsay.

Try again

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:22 am

Cuchulain wrote:I offered my views to where she comes up short.
She is going off the French who do not have a broader spectrum for looking at ADHD, she even admits this.

Again allyou are offering is hearsay and no evidence

As to your pathetoc infantile insults itjust further proves my point you have not the first clue what you are talking about and just buy into any garbage you read on the web.

I want to see a concensus of evidence.

In your own time

You post some evidence
You have nothing but an advert

And considering I have told you you cannot copy paste and answer because it still being debated You just proved you don't read or comprehend anything Not even what You are posting yourself Suspect

The french Views on ADHD are the typical outside of the USA. This debate currently exist in Australia because the RW party want to CUT funding to public education. Unfortunately for them we already have much better result that the USA using a less drug approach where diet and home factor are taken into account before stuffing pills in the kids mouth

Again if you want to debate this educate yourself in the grounding of the topic
everyone else's research including the UK has different results to the USA.

Your position is held in the USA and no where else

http://www.adhd.com.au/ADHD_Assessment.htm

There are many Medical, Metabolic and Psychological factors that are associated with attention deficits, hyperactivity and inappropriate behaviours without warranting a diagnosis of ADHD. ADHD should only be diagnosed when all other causal factors have been excluded.

The following conditions would NOT QUALIFY for a diagnosis of ADHD. Some of these conditions result in temporary symptoms and others result in chronic (long-term) symptoms.

Attention lapses during absence (petit mal) seizures.
Underachievement at school due to a learning disability.
A middle ear infection or grommets that may reduce hearing sensitivity.
Central Auditory Processing Disorder
Visual Processing Disorder
Dyslexia
Disruptive or unresponsive behaviors due to childhood depression or anxiety.
Anxiety, chronic fears and childhood depression can make a child seem overactive, quarrelsome, impulsive, or inattentive.
Overactive or under active thyroid.
Undiagnosed diabetes.
A child who becomes overactive and easily distracted after the death of a family member or friend or after some traumatic loss or fearful experience may be dealing with unresolved grief and/or emotional problems.
A chronic middle ear infection or mild asthma, often the result of dairy intolerance, can also make a child seem distracted and uncooperative and lead to Learning Difficulties.
So can living with a family member who is physically or emotionally abusive or neglectful.

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:24 am

Cuchulain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:I just caught the part where you said the American you posted is a leader in the world

LOLOLOLOL

Dumbfuck can you be any more ignorant about a topic
HE IS NOT his work is highly discredited in education circles because it ignores diet and home life and focuses 100% on medication.
EVEN in the US you have many top funded schools purposely Doing the Opposite to his research and getting much better results

Again more waffle and hearsay and more infantile iunsults which proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

Again prove the concensus of medical experts aropund the world are wrong with a concensus of medical experts proving them wrong.

Again you offer more hearsay.

Try again

Support that statement
Show around the world support for the US definition of ADHD

TRY AND BEGIN DIDGE cause you haven't got anything but and advertisement you mistook for an article Razz

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:25 am

The onus is on you and the fact you now think it is down to me, shows you have no evidence.

That was easy for me to expose you have no idea what you are talking about.

As I say people whocome out with such outlandish claims are born from the fear and paranoia that already exists within them that they are very susceptible to things they read on the web.,

As seen you have no evidence.

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:27 am

Claim that the views of the French are typical outside the US.

More hearsay

It is just one long running commentry of hearsay.

I ask again, lets have a world concensus of medical experts that agree with you Veya

That is about the fourth time I have asked and each time you come up short.

Try again

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:28 am

Cuchulain wrote:The onus is on you and the fact you now think it is down to me, shows you have no evidence.

That was easy for me to expose you have no idea what you are talking about.

As I say people whocome out with such outlandish claims are born from the fear and paranoia that already exists within them that they are very susceptible to things they read on the web.,

As seen you have no evidence.

No the onus is on You to show Where there is consensus you CLAIM THERE IS even though there clearly isn't As i have already stated and BOLDED for you .

So far you have an advert, I have post 2 medical journals Including the original french one and the the Official process for diagnose of ADHD in Australia.

Please Provide support for a single one of your claim like i clearly have already done so Rolling Eyes

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:29 am

Cuchulain wrote:Claim that the views of the French are typical outside the US.

More hearsay

It is just one long running commentry of hearsay.

I ask again, lets have a world concensus of medical experts that agree with you Veya

That is about the fourth time I have asked and each time you come up short.

Try again

Do you not know what the word consensus means?
For the 4th time It is being debated there is NO CONSENSUS as anyone with the basic knowledge to be involved in this discussion knows

I'm stopping you are just too dumb

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:30 am

No the onus is on you.
You made the claim that most countries are like France.
You make the assertion.
You have to back this up like I asked for with a world concensus showing evidence backing your claim.

Fifth time asking and fifth time you have come up short.

Try again

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:31 am

Cuchulain wrote:No the onus is on you.
You made the claim that most countries are like France.
You make the assertion.
You have to back this up like I asked for with a world concensus showing evidence backing your claim.

Fifth time asking and fifth time you have come up short.

Try again

try reading i clearly posted that in the requirement for diagnosis of ADHD in Australia

TRY TO BEGIN

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:31 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:Claim that the views of the French are typical outside the US.

More hearsay

It is just one long running commentry of hearsay.

I ask again, lets have a world concensus of medical experts that agree with you Veya

That is about the fourth time I have asked and each time you come up short.

Try again
Do you not know what the word consensus means?
For the 4th time It is being debated there is NO CONSENSUS as anyone with the basic knowledge to be involved in this discussion knows

I'm stopping you are just too dumb

More infantile insults because you have no evidence.

Please stop promoting poor medical advice on something you have no idea about.

As seen you cannot provide a concensus of evidence

Sixth time asking

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:32 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:No the onus is on you.
You made the claim that most countries are like France.
You make the assertion.
You have to back this up like I asked for with a world concensus showing evidence backing your claim.

Fifth time asking and fifth time you have come up short.

Try again

try reading i clearly posted that in the requirement for diagnosis of ADHD in Australia

TRY TO BEGIN

So that is two countries, that is not a concensus.

Seventh time asking

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:32 am

Holy fuck are you really this DUMB

THERE IS NO CONSENSUS!!!!

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:33 am

And dont how many times but please proved ANY INFORMATION AT ALL DIDGE

So far you have NOTHING but an advertisement.

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:34 am

veya_victaous wrote:Holy fuck are you really this DUMB

THERE IS NO CONSENSUS!!!!

So you now admit you have nothing to back your view with any real evidence

Finally, he gets there in the end.

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:34 am

veya_victaous wrote:And dont how many times but please proved ANY INFORMATION AT ALL DIDGE

So far you have NOTHING but an advertisement.

More hearsay, no evidence.

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:34 am

you did not follow this topic at all did you Rolling Eyes

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:35 am

veya_victaous wrote:you did not follow this topic at all did you

No evidence again

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:45 am

Cuchulain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:you did not follow this topic at all did you

No evidence again

same too you advertiser Cool

SO where is this evidence you have for the consensus of US opinion Cool

do have to post it half a dozen times Like it did saying there was no consensus before you get it through your head you very wrong.
PS i have 2 nations.... Plus the Uk and the rest of Europe
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-244X-10-67.pdf

So come WHO agrees with you and the US
Hearsay you got from advertisement
PLEASE STOP PARROTING CRAP they actually pay people to sell the lies you are posting you don't have to do it for free Cool

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:49 am

http://www.russellbarkley.org/factsheets/Consensus2002.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15959658

http://www.adhdawarenessmonth.org/adhd-facts/

http://jayjoseph.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/ADHD_Letters.163191402.pdf

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/230571509_Biomarkers_for_attention-deficithyperactivity_disorder_%28ADHD%29._A_consensus_report_of_the_WFSBP_task_force_on_biological_markers_and_the_World_Federation_of_ADHD

http://www.adhd-federation.org/

You see I have concensus evidence.

Never play with the grown ups Veya, you will always come up short

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:52 am

Maybe you can attend the next global conference Veya lol

Dear friends of the World Federation of ADHD,

It was a pleasure to meet so many of you here in Glasgow!

We are very happy with the final results. A very well attended meeting with more than 1600 delegates from 64 countries. We, at the board, received very positive feedbacks on the program, but if there is any critics, please do not hesitate to contact us!
Thank you so much for joining the conference!
For those that were not able to join us, do not miss the opportunity in Vancouver 2017.

http://www.adhd-congress.org/

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:24 am

Cuchulain wrote:http://www.russellbarkley.org/factsheets/Consensus2002.pdf
American Pharmaceutical journal from 2002 the UK did not even official recognize ADHD as an adult disease until 2008 so they were a bit early to claim consensus
UK diagnosis is based on the NICE Guidelines which were published in September 2008. Prior to then Adult ADD was not recognised by the NHS
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15959658
Article by http://www.lilly.com/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.adhdawarenessmonth.org/adhd-facts/
That one supports my point that it does not need Drugs to cure. you didn't get down to the "ADHD Treatment is Multi-Faceted" section did you where it clearly outlines that Drugs in ONE option and equal success is found with no drug options

http://jayjoseph.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/ADHD_Letters.163191402.pdf
American letter to editor about the ADHD federation article
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/230571509_Biomarkers_for_attention-deficithyperactivity_disorder_%28ADHD%29._A_consensus_report_of_the_WFSBP_task_force_on_biological_markers_and_the_World_Federation_of_ADHD
refers entirely to the next article
http://www.adhd-federation.org/
Article by http://www.lilly.com/Pages/Home.aspx

You see I have concensus evidence.

Never play with the grown ups DIDGE, you will always come up short

http://www.lilly.com/Pages/Home.aspx
Pharmaceutical manufacturer

SO yes you have advertisements please present consensus Rolling Eyes

You are in way over you head As i am 100% sure you didn't read what you posted.
2 refer to one of the other articles 1 is a letter to the editor and ALL of them are published in the USA, which doesn't have discloser of funding laws around research meaning it is considered useless in most western nations.
Which is why legally in the UK, France, the rest of the EU, Australia and New Zealand we treat a large number of ADHD cases with treatments other than drugs and we do check their diet and home life and if these things are less than ideal we are hesitant to give them drugs.

And no I only attend the technical conferences Wink

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:26 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:http://www.russellbarkley.org/factsheets/Consensus2002.pdf
American Pharmaceutical journal from 2002 the UK did not even official recognize ADHD as an adult disease until 2008 so they were a bit early to claim consensus

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15959658
Article by http://www.lilly.com/Pages/Home.aspx

http://www.adhdawarenessmonth.org/adhd-facts/
That one supports my point that it does not need Drugs to cure. you didn't get down to the "ADHD Treatment is Multi-Faceted" section did you where it clearly outlines that Drugs in ONE option and equal success is found with no drug options

http://jayjoseph.net/yahoo_site_admin/assets/docs/ADHD_Letters.163191402.pdf
American letter to editor about the ADHD federation article
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/230571509_Biomarkers_for_attention-deficithyperactivity_disorder_%28ADHD%29._A_consensus_report_of_the_WFSBP_task_force_on_biological_markers_and_the_World_Federation_of_ADHD
refers entirely to the next article
http://www.adhd-federation.org/
Article by http://www.lilly.com/Pages/Home.aspx

You see I have concensus evidence.

Never play with the grown ups DIDGE, you will always come up short

http://www.lilly.com/Pages/Home.aspx
Pharmaceutical manufacturer

SO yes you have advertisements please present consensus

You are in way over you head As i am 100% sure you didn't read what you posted.
2 refer to one of the other articles 1 is a letter to the editor and ALL of them are published in the USA, which doesn't have discloser of funding laws around research meaning it is considered useless in most western nations.
Which is why legally in the UK, France, the rest of the EU, Australia and New Zealand we treat a large number of ADHD cases with treatments other than drugs and we do check their diet and home life and if these things are less than ideal we are hesitant to give them drugs.

And no I only attend the technical conferences

ADHD DOES NOT EXIST: WHY FRENCH CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ADHD - Page 2 3489511464

So more hersay.
I give you a concensus of medical and you give me yet more bullshit now with more conspiracies about drugs
Paranoia alert
Recess is over, get back to class and stop wasting everyones time with gibberish

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:26 am

veya_victaous wrote:
eddie wrote:Can I put my hand up here?

I HAVE worked with ADHD children, and those classsd with learning difficulties.

Veya and Didge, both of you make very valid points and you're both right; I do think that some children are quick to be given drugs and I do know that a lot of the "crap" parents at the school I was at, seemed to have more than one child with ADHD....translated to "my children are left to run wild and I can't control them"

Yet, there aRe definitely children that have some kind of difficulty with the way they function in social and educational settings. Some are diagnosed quickly but with others, it can take some time as each child and case is really different and unique.

Home life is definitely taken into consideration and also any other siblings (if at the same school).

It takes a good while to get a statement for a child, they're not just given out willy-nilly.

In your experience Do you think MOST ADHD kids could be taught with out drugs in Smaller class sizes with specialist teachers? and plentiful resources.

Pretty sure You Will agree that IF funding was not an issue and you could half class sizes, employ additional teachers aides, Plus give the teachers the specialist training to deal with these children, we could reduce the amount of children being diagnosed with ADHD dramatically.

Bumping for Eddie

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:28 am

veya_victaous wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

In your experience Do you think MOST ADHD kids could be taught with out drugs in Smaller class sizes with specialist teachers? and plentiful resources.

Pretty sure You Will agree that IF funding was not an issue and you could half class sizes, employ additional teachers aides, Plus give the teachers the specialist training to deal with these children, we could reduce the amount of children being diagnosed with ADHD dramatically.

Bumping for Eddie

Your experince?

You have no experince and I find it dangerous that such an incompetant idiotis attempting to advise people.
Allow the experts to do their job

Thank you

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:30 am

no you didn't didge half your like were to the same article produced by a pharmaceutical company.

seriously SOURCES
if you are going to rely so heavily on Copy and paste at least learn to track you sources Rolling Eyes

And None of that changes the NHS requirements for diagnosis Which strangely are not in line with the advertisement from a US pharmaceutical company claiming consensus Rolling Eyes

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:34 am

veya_victaous wrote:no you didn't didge half your like were to the same article produced by a pharmaceutical company.

seriously SOURCES
if you are going to rely so heavily on Copy and paste at least learn to track you sources

And None of that changes the NHS requirements for diagnosis Which strangely are not in line with the advertisement from a US pharmaceutical company claiming consensus

No what I am advising is that you yourself have no expertise or qualifications on the matter and are attempting to advise people. That is danagerous.
Allow experts to advise and for people to get second opinions, and not from some nerd behind a PC in Australia
I started this debating pointing outthe flaws in the article which nobody has addressed, even you.
It then becomes pointless trying to debate paranoid people like yourself who think they know more than experts. Itis self confessed idiots behind a PC that think they can read some articles on thw web and are over night experts. Such people are a danger not only to others but themselves because they think they know more than experts when they do not.
Learn to understand there is very little you actually know about ADHD. I am no expert either, but do not try and cloud peoples minds with bullshit.
I advise they seek many different expert opinions

by veya_victaous Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:38 am

Cuchulain wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

In your experience Do you think MOST ADHD kids could be taught with out drugs in Smaller class sizes with specialist teachers? and plentiful resources.

Pretty sure You Will agree that IF funding was not an issue and you could half class sizes, employ additional teachers aides, Plus give the teachers the specialist training to deal with these children, we could reduce the amount of children being diagnosed with ADHD dramatically.

Bumping for Eddie

Your experince?

You have no experince and I find it dangerous that such an incompetant idiotis attempting to advise people.
Allow the experts to do their job

Thank you

don't be jealous that i have a career Rolling Eyes

and yes experience in the inner workings of the eduction system
And I DO GO TO CONFERENCES ON EDUCATION TECHNOLOGY Wink

by Guest Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:42 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Cuchulain wrote:

Your experince?

You have no experince and I find it dangerous that such an incompetant idiotis attempting to advise people.
Allow the experts to do their job

Thank you

don't be jealous that i have a career and yes experience in the inner workings of the eduction system
And I DO GO TO CONFERENCES ON EDUCATION TECHNOLOGY

Wow and that makes you an expert and qualified to advise medically on ADHD?
No it does not.
If you are an educator you would know what you are advising is wrong to do based on your limited knowledge. This is as bad as the God suad advising on alternative cures for cancer.
You are playing with childrens lives by advising on something to parents you do not fully understand.
Allow people to seek out different expert advice so as to what is best for their children.

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