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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:15 pm

ANTI-SEMITIC PROPAGANDA

Anti-Semitic propaganda maintained that:


—all Jews were responsible for the act of any Jew, e.g. “The murder of Ernst vom Rath did not slow legal measures aimed at solving the Jewish Problem, but rather sped them up. The Jews living in Germany had to pay a fine of a billion marks to discourage them from repeating the cowardly murder.” **

— Judaism was not a religion. “Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!” Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler).”  **

— there was an International Jewish conspiracy to influence and then control governments, media,  the economy, etc.  **

— the Jews hated all non-Jews and they wanted to destroy the Gentiles and dominate the world **  Further “Whether or not there is an organized Jewish government recognized by all the Jews is less important that the fact that there is a unified and conscious Jewish desire for world power. This is proved by a variety of political events that are taking place in plain sight today.”  **

— due to inbreeding, Jews had more negative characteristics and passed on these negative characteristics to the next generation.  **

— a war against Judaism was a war against the devil **

— by distortions of the Torah and Talmud they claimed that Judaism teaches hatred **

— “The goal of the Jew is to make himself the ruler of humanity. Wherever he comes, he destroys works of culture. He is not a creative spirit, rather a destructive spirit.”  **  “The struggle for world domination will be fought entirely between us, between Germans and Jews.  All else is facade and illusion. Behind England stands Israel, and behind France, and behind the United States.  Even when we have driven the Jew out of Germany, he remains our world enemy.”  Adolf Hitler **

— “Nearly all major inventions were made by Aryans.”  The Jews had no real creativity **   “Wherever Jewry has appeared, it has never built anything. It has always and everywhere destroyed or torn down, sucking others dry to fill itself. From the days of the Romans to our day, Jewry in every century, in every people, was and remained a foreign body, a destroyer of real and ideal values, a denier of any upward progress, a plague for body and soul. It sneaks in through deceit and treachery, trickery and slyness, murder and assault, understanding how to establish itself.”  **

— a good Jew could not be a good German, that it was impossible for a Jew to honestly say “I am a “good German” and a “decent Jew”! Only a Jew has the insolence to make such a claim. I answer it only to reach the public and finally dispatch the absurd notion of the “decent Jew.” The fable of the “decent Jew” is not a German fable that has been handed down by our people and therefore something with educational value, but rather it is a shameless lie designed to lull the host people to sleep and appeal to hysterical weaklings.”  **  And further “And you think you can be a “good German”! True, you do speak German, just as your racial comrades in other countries speak English, French, Spanish, and Polish, but you are no more a German than they are Englishmen, Frenchmen, Spaniards, or Poles, since Jews are a foreign body in every people.” **

—  “Jewish law enjoins or permits Jews to murder non-Jews whenever feasible” **

—  “Jews are permitted to lie without moral or religious compunction” **

—  “Judaism condones the sexual molestation of young girls” ** “The Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end….spying on the unsuspicious German girl he plans to seduce….he wants to contaminate her blood and remove her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew hates the white race and wants to lower its cultural level so that the Jews might dominate.” - Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf **

—  there was no way to tell the true nature of Jews as they presented a false face. **

—  Jews were uniquely violent and untrustworthy compared to all the other peoples of the world. **

— Jews could not serve loyally in the military of Germany, and they were removed. **

— anti-Semitism was a reasonable response to a clear and present danger.  **  If Jews raised the issue of anti-Semitism they were doing it for devious reasons.  The Jewish people, once only tolerated, knew how to raise a hue and cry about discrimination and persecution, winning the sympathy of the world for the “poor Jews.” They increasingly infiltrated deep within our national organism, growing to have power over every single area of our national life. **

— there was a “Jewish problem” and that any measures taken against the Jews were reasonable and defensive.  **

— Jews are a “disease” infecting any nation they inhabit.  “For us, it is a problem of whether our nation can ever recover its health, whether the Jewish spirit can ever really be eradicated.  Don’t be misled into thinking you can fight a disease without killing the carrier, without destroying the bacillus.  Don’t think you can fight racial tuberculosis without taking care to rid the nation of the carrier of that racial tuberculosis.  This Jewish contamination will not subside, this poisoning of the nation will not end, until the carrier himself, the Jew, has been banished from our midst.”  Adolph Hitler **  “Each Jew individually, and Jewry as a whole, is without a home. Jewry undermines every people and every state that it infiltrates. It feeds as a parasite and a culture-killing worm in the host people. It grows and grows like weeds in the state, the community, and the family and infests the blood of humanity everywhere.  In brief, that is the pestilential nature of Jewry, against which every people, every state, every nation must, should, and wants to defend itself if it does not want to be the victim of this bloody plague.”  **







ANTI-Muslim/ISLAMOPHOBIC PROPAGANDA


“Islam constitutes a threat to the world at large.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

When Shi’ite Muslims were persecuted by Sunnis, they developed the doctrine of taqiyya, or concealment: They could lie about what they believed, denying aspects of their faith that were offensive to Sunnis…Closely related to this is the doctrine of kitman, or mental reservation, which is telling the truth, but not the whole truth, with an intention to mislead…Remember that the next time you see a Muslim spokesman on television professing his friendship with non-Muslim Americans and his loyalty to the United States. Of course, he may be telling the truth–but he may not be telling the whole truth or he may be just lying.  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

There are “many elements of traditional and mainstream Islam that are at variance with our system of government, our Constitution, and our entire way of life.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

“There is no reliable way to distinguish a “moderate” Muslim who rejects the jihad ideology and Islamic supremacism from a “radical” Muslim who holds such ideas, even if he isn’t acting upon them at the moment.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

“The misbegotten term “Islamo-fascism” is wholly redundant: Islam itself is a kind of fascism that achieves its full and proper form only when it assumes the powers of the state.” Robert Spencer,AFDI, SIOA, SION  

“There is no distinction in the American Muslim community between peaceful Muslims and jihadists.” Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

“(Islam) is the only major world religion with a developed doctrine and tradition of warfare against unbelievers.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

“Islam is of the devil” Rev. Terry Jones

“Islam is evil” Rev. Franklin Graham

“There is no escaping the unfortunate fact that Muslim government employees in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps need to be watched for connections to terrorism.”  Rev. Franklin Graham

“Nearly all (emphasis added) of the Islamic organizations in the United States that define themselves as religiously or culturally Muslim in character have, today, been totally captured or dominated by radical fundamentalist elements…”  Steven Emerson

“U.S. Muslims are strategically aligning with LGBT people as part of their jihadist campaign to subjugate the West.”  Joseph Farrah, WND

”Devout Muslims should be prohibited from military service. Would Patton have recruited Nazis into his army?”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

Good Muslims lie to advance Islam, It’s the law. Atlas readers often hear me refer to taqiya - lies to advance Islam.” Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

I believe that “Al-Qaeda is a manifestation of devout Islam ... It is Islam.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

“Arabic is not just another language like French or Italian, it is the spearhead of an ideological project that is deeply opposed to the United States.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

I believe that “Hitler WAS inspired by Islam”  Pamela Geller, AFDI,SIOA, SION

“The ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.”  Nicolai Sennels

One significant conclusion of my research was that having been raised in a Muslim environment – with Muslim parents and traditions – includes the risk of developing certain antisocial patterns.  Nicolai Sennels

As in many other nauseating situations, Islamonausea is a normal and natural reaction to something abnormal, not vice versa.  The nausea reflex is innate, and it is biologically natural and healthy to experience emotional and bodily discomfort with anything that is unpleasant, unhealthy or harmful.  ... The word Islamonausea can be used to describe a feeling of nausea, disgust, displeasure, discomfort or aversion that arises by itself when encountering Islam or Islamic culture, or whatever or whoever represents it. Nicolai Sennels

“Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense.”  [SIOE motto]

“I would like to feel all warm and fuzzy and embrace the moderate Muslim/ meme but they show no evidence of their existence - not in any real number anyway. The only voices of reason in the Muslim world are lapsed Muslims or apostates.  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

“It’s the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews.  Our goodness makes them ill.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

I believe that “Islam is a mental illness”.  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

“The artifacts featured in this exhibit are stolen. Period. Stolen from the cultures conquered and Islamized, and the lands appropriated by the Muslims. The Met is passing off this stolen intellectual property as Islamic. It isn’t.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

I believe that Islam is “the most insidious doctrine of hate. Islam can’t be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can’t be molded, but it can be smashed.”  Ali Sina, SION

“We do not want to reform Islam. We want to eradicate it. Just as cancer cannot be reformed and the only way to cure the patient is to eradicate it, Islam cant be reformed either and it must be eradicated for the world to be saved.”  Ali Sina, FMU, SION

I believe that “Islam, like fascism, appeals to people with low self esteem and low intelligence.  Ali Sina, FMU, SION

I believe that “Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist.” Ali Sina, FMU, SION

I believe that “On the so-called Global War on Terrorism, GWOT, we have been quite clear along with a few other resolute souls. This should be a WAR AGAINST Islam and all Muslim faithful…At a practical level, this means that Shari’a and Islamic law are immediately outlawed. Any Muslim in America who adopts historical and traditional Shari’a will be subject to deportation. Mosques which adhere to Islamic law will be shut down permanently. No self-described or practicing Muslim, irrespective of his or her declarations to the contrary, will be allowed to immigrate to this country…” David Yerushalmi, SANE

I believe that “Muslim civilization is at war with Judeo-Christian civilization…The Muslim peoples, those committed to Islam as we know it today, are our enemies.”  David Yerushalmi, SANE

“We love you Muslims because you are humans like us. We are all related to each other. We are all limbs of the body of mankind. But you are diseased. You are infected by a deadly cult that threatens our lives. Your humanity is destroyed. Like a limb infected by flesh eating disease, now you are a threat to the rest of mankind. We will do everything to save you, to make you see your folly, and to make you understand that you are victims of a gigantic lie, so you leave this lie, stop hating mankind and plotting for its destruction and it domination. But if all efforts fail and if you become a threat to our lives and the lives of our children, we must amputate you.”  Ali Sina, FMU, SION

There is a need for an “old fashioned war with wholesale slaughter including indiscriminate death of innocents and babes. down to the last Muslim, if necessary.”  John Joseph Jay, AFDI

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.  ...  The Islamofeces cockroaches are on the march and if we do not kill them all, they shall kill us.  George M. Weinert V

“I’ve got an idea, let’s kill all Muslims.”  Jay Severin

“Rot in hell, Osama bin Laden.  One down, 1.8 billion to go ... many of ‘em inside U.S. borders, with the U.S. government at all levels kissing their asses.”  Debbie Schlussel

“I do not believe that our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed.”  Rev. Rod Parsley

“Absolutely. If a Muslim who has—who is—a practicing Muslim who believes the word of the Koran to be the word of Allah, who abides by Islam, who goes to mosque and prays every Friday, who prays five times a day—this practicing Muslim, who believes in the teachings of the Koran, cannot be a loyal citizen to the United States of America.”  Brigitte Gabrie, ACT for Americal

Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion].  [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.”  Wafa Sultan, FMU

“What has the Arab world contributed except terror? The theocratic, repressive Arabic states do no significant science, no significant arts and culture.”  “Osama bin Laden is a very good Muslim - a model one, in fact, and one of the most devout in the 1400 years of Islam.”  David Horowitz, Freedom Center

“Sure America’s First Amendment protects freedom of religion. But the Founding Fathers and signatories of the Constitution undoubtedly would not have included rights in it for members of a religion that demands the destruction, persecution and invasion of the United States of America -and at best, the establishment of a shadow Constitution parallel to the American one, namely Islamic sharia law. No, that most certainly was not in the minds of America’s Founding Fathers.”  Eliana Benador

“America and the West are doomed to failure in this war unless they stand up and identify the real enemy: Islam.”  Brigitte Gabriel, ACT for America

“We are in a war against a political, theocratic, authoritarian ideology and it is called Islam!”  Rep. Allen West, (R-FL)

“The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don’t wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran.”  Rep. Virgil H. Goode, Jr

“There are too many mosques in this country.”  -  “85 percent of American Muslim community leaders are an enemy living amongst us”  -  “no (American) Muslims cooperate in the war on terror”.  -  “I would say, you could say that 80-85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists … Those who are in control.  The average Muslim, no, they are loyal, but they don’t work, they don’t come forward, they don’t tell the police.”  Rep. Peter King

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”  Ann Coulter

Taught military personnel that they should take a “war on Islam” “to the civilian population wherever necessary,” which he likened to the bombardment of Dresden and nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Army Lt. Col. Matthew A. Dooley

So once one acknowledges the obvious, that there is fascistic behavior among a core of Muslims — specifically, a cult of violence and the wanton use of physical force to impose an ideology on others — the term “Islamo-Fascism” is entirely appropriate.  Dennis Prager

We would be looked upon as uncouth for suggesting that the only language all Muslims understand is that of blood and death and only death can stop them. As long as they survive on this planet, they will be a destabilizing influence and never allow civilized people to breathe freely. There is no hope of transforming the Muslims into a good peace-loving and noble community. As long as a Muslim lives, killing infidels comes to him/her as naturally as does attacking its prey comes to a wild and hungry beast. Muslims are brainwashed to do this by the Quran - the instruction manual of hate and terror. They can never be transformed into good citizens. And so the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. This is the harsh reality. And so we need to face the seemingly heartless and brutal fact of life that all Muslims need to be given the choice of leaving Islam voluntarily or being put out of harm’s way, i.e. put out of the way from harming anybody else! No other way has the prospect of resolving the Muslim problem across the globe.  War on Jihad site

It’s Time to Put the Coffee Down and Eradicate Islam in the West. This article included the passage “It’s time to join the war, not on “terror” (that oh-so soothing illusion,) but on Islam in the West. Most urgently, we must defend Israel as the frontline in the war against the spread of Islam.”  Jeanette Pryor on David Horowitz’ blog

“ Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene…. All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most.”  Daniel Pipes, MEF

Islam is “a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and world domination.  You’re dealing with not a religion, you’re dealing with a political system, and I think we should treat it as such, and treat its adherents as such as we would members of the communist party, members of some fascist group.”  Rev. Pat Robertson

“Do you really want someone representing you, who swears an oath on a Quran — a book that undermines our Constitution and says you should be killed? I’m Gary Boisclair, and I approve this message.”  Gary Boisclair (D-MI)

“It has been left to us to educate the uneducated of this country to the difference between Sikhism, Hinduism and Islam. Islam is a disease….it is a disease. Winston Churchill once said, ‘Islam in a man is the same as rabies in a dog’.”  Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson), EDL

“... every single Muslim watching this on YouTube: on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you got away with it. Next time you think about it you’d better understand that we have built a network from one end of this country to the other end. We will not tolerate it and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our citizens killed, maimed or hurt on British soil ever again.”  - Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson), EDL


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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:16 pm

IS THERE ANY SIMILARITY BETWEEN ANTI-SEMITIC AND ISLAMOPHOBIC PROPAGANDA?

I would hope that the answer is obvious after reading just the few examples listed above. Perhaps, reading an article by Colm O’Broin listing 10 statements by Julius Streicher and 10 statements by Robert Spencer - or reading this article which compares statements by Adolph Hitler and statements by Stephen Yaxley-Lennon of the EDL - and their remarkable similarities would make this even more crystal clear.

Here are Colm O’Broin’s 10 statements to compare (links to sources for all quotes are in his article):

1 Muslims/Jews have a religious duty to conquer the world.

“Islam understands its earthly mission to extend the law of Allah over the world by force.” Robert Spencer.
“Do you not know that the God of the Old Testament orders the Jews to consume and enslave the peoples of the earth?” Julius Streicher.

2 The Left enables Muslims/Jews.

“The principal organs of the Left…has consistently been warm and welcoming toward Islamic supremacism.” Robert Spencer.
“The communists pave the way for him (the Jew).” Julius Streicher.

3 Governments do nothing to stop Muslims/Jews.

“FDI* acts against the treason being committed by national, state, and local government officials…in their capitulation to the global jihad and Islamic supremacism.” (AFDI, Robert Spencer/Pamela Geller organisation).
“The government allows the Jew to do as he pleases. The people expect action to be taken.” Julius Streicher.

4 Muslims/Jews cannot be trusted.

“When one is under pressure, one may lie in order to protect the religion, this is taught in the Qur’an.” Robert Spencer.
“We may lie and cheat Gentiles. In the Talmud it says: It is permitted for Jews to cheat Gentiles.” From The Toadstool, children’s book published by Julius Streicher.

5 Recognizing the true nature of Muslims/Jews can be difficult.

“There is no reliable way for American authorities to distinguish jihadists and potential jihadists from peaceful Muslims.” Robert Spencer.
“Just as it is often hard to tell a toadstool from an edible mushroom, so too it is often very hard to recognize the Jew as a swindler and criminal.” From The Toadstool, children’s book published by Julius Streicher.

6 The evidence against Muslims/Jews is in their holy books.

“What exactly is ‘hate speech’ about quoting Qur’an verses and then showing Muslim preachers using those verses to exhort people to commit acts of violence, as well as violent acts committed by Muslims inspired by those verses and others?” Robert Spencer.
“In Der Stuermer no editorial appeared, written by me or written by anyone of my main co-workers, in which I did not include quotations from the ancient history of the Jews, from the Old Testament, or from Jewish historical works of recent times.” Julius Streicher.

7 Islamic/Jewish texts encourage violence against non-believers.

“‘And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter…’—2:191.” Koranic verse quoted by Robert Spencer on Jihadwatch.org.
“‘And when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally: men and women and children, even the animals.’ (Deuteronomy 7:2.).” Biblical verse quoted by Julius Streicher in Der Stuermer.


8 Christianity is peaceful while Islam/Judaism is violent.

“There is no Muslim version of ‘love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you’ or ‘if anyone strikes you on the right cheek turn to him the other also’.” Robert Spencer.
“The Jew is not being taught, like we are, such texts as, ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself,’ or ‘If you are smitten on the left cheek, offer then your right one.’” Julius Streicher.

9 Muslims/Jews are uniquely violent.

”(Islam) is the only major world religion with a developed doctrine and tradition of warfare against unbelievers.” Robert Spencer.
“No other people in the world has such prophecies. No other people would dare to say that it was chosen to murder and destroy the other peoples and steal their possessions.” Julius Streicher.

10 Criticising Muslims/Jews is not incitement to violence against Muslims/Jews.

“There is nothing in anything that I have ever written that could be reasonably construed as an incitement to violence against anyone.” Robert Spencer.
“Allow me to add that it is my conviction that the contents of Der Stuermer as such were not (incitement). During the whole 20 years, I never wrote in this connection, ‘Burn Jewish houses down; beat them to death.’ Never once did such an incitement appear in Der Stuermer.” Julius Streicher.

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:40 pm

Oh bugger, I'm agreeing with you again. This just isn't on, you'll be accused of being on the sassy posse next!  ://?roflmao?/: ://?roflmao?/: 

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:43 pm

You should read the link Sassy, hence why I am always telling people they argue similar arguments as where once before found in history.


http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/comparison-propaganda


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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:47 pm

I'm very happy to read the link, but it's something I have been saying for ages. There is no difference, what is said about Muslims now was said about Jew then. I always thought people couldn't be fooled that way again, I was so wrong, it seems some are not only fooled but positively relish being fooled, it fulfills a need to feel they are racially superior in some way.

Someone said the other day, patriotism is thinking your country is great, racism is thinking it's greater than any other country. Narrow it down, and it's the same for people.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:50 pm

The thought has occurred to me lately that the people who are bashing Muslims now would be bashing Jews in another era ... you see the same patterns.

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:52 pm

It is sad really, yes we have to tackle those within Islam that are extremists or the ultra conservative view, but the more this escalates and we are involved in conflicts, the more the Islamists and far right extremists get their wish, a war between Islam and the west.

The point is people do not distinguish between Islamists and the many other Muslims, which is the worrying part with ho they cast them all together because of the religion. They neglect the west was very much the same once with such hard line ultra conservative Christian views and how religion was used as an excuse to commit murder on a mass scale.


The sad things is some people want to divide people and what will that achieve? Nothing but hate and violence, where nobody wins and would leave countless more years of resentment between people.

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:57 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The thought has occurred to me lately that the people who are bashing Muslims now would be bashing Jews in another era ... you see the same patterns.


Sadly people have always used scapegoats to bash Ben, if you go backwards in time in Britain, before them, it was the Irish, the blacks and Indians, the Catholics etc etc again sadly people always look to cast others and blame them.

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:00 pm

Too true, there is always one group people want to blame.

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Post by eddie on Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:31 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:The thought has occurred to me lately that the people who are bashing Muslims now would be bashing Jews in another era ... you see the same patterns.

And it used to be black people in the fifties.

For me it's about making sure that people integrate - I dislike the thought that people won't speak our language or "join in" and it's about ensuring that there's enough to go round.

I really have to say this too: if you lived in a heavily populated area of a certain nationality etc and found yourself in the minority, it can feel as though you're slightly foreign in your own country.

Can any one of you, understand that?

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:42 pm

eddie wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:The thought has occurred to me lately that the people who are bashing Muslims now would be bashing Jews in another era ... you see the same patterns.

And it used to be black people in the fifties.

For me it's about making sure that people integrate - I dislike the thought that people won't speak our language or "join in" and it's about ensuring that there's enough to go round.

I really have to say this too: if you lived in a heavily populated area of a certain nationality etc and found yourself in the minority, it can feel as though you're slightly foreign in your own country.

Can any one of you, understand that?

Of course, but when you know it's only in the area, why should it worry you. I've lived in other countries surrounded by different cultures and skin colours, didn't worry me. And a study done fairly recently showed that racism is actually more prevalent in areas with few immigrants, and where there are many, it's much lower.

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Post by eddie on Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:52 pm

Sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:

And it used to be black people in the fifties.

For me it's about making sure that people integrate - I dislike the thought that people won't speak our language or "join in" and it's about ensuring that there's enough to go round.

I really have to say this too: if you lived in a heavily populated area of a certain nationality etc and found yourself in the minority, it can feel as though you're slightly foreign in your own country.

Can any one of you, understand that?

Of course, but when you know it's only in the area, why should it worry you.   I've lived in other countries surrounded by different cultures and skin colours, didn't worry me.   And a study done fairly recently showed that racism is actually more prevalent in areas with few immigrants, and where there are many, it's much lower.


lol sassy if you're in another country then fair enough!

Truthfully, how many, in your area, roughly;

Muslims
Eastern Europeans
White British


Are you, as a white woman, in the minority or the majority?

I grew up London. I have dated all colours. You can't get more multi-cultural than London. I'm telling you now, when you hear and see that people are not getting moved from over-crowded houses and yet a non-English- speaking Polish family gets moved in to a house, and you find out they've only lived here for a couple of years, how would you feel then? It's hard to not feel just a teensy bit aggrieved.
Or the place you live in, was polite and courteous and everyone queued for a bus but now, over ten years you're suddenly in the minority and queuing has gone out of the window.....and as a mother with a pram you're pushed out of the way, and when you get on the bus no one is speaking English.....would,you not feel slightly....."something"?????


Honestly sassy? Honestly?

I like people. I like everyone until they do something to upset me or are downright ignorant to me. I go to aerobics with six Bulgarian ladies and I adore them. But it's getting too,much sassy.
Perhaps not where you live but in some areas it is swamped and it's too much.

That doesn't make me racist.

And Ben? If you don't live it you can't know it.
Same goes for you sassy.
And you didge .

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I lived it growing up in London, being the fact I was from immigrant parents, so I see it from that side Eddie, have you ever tried to see it that way where you want to fit in you feel and are proud to be British but some people will not except you even though once some of their ancestors were no doubt immigrants to? Where I lived was lots of West Indians and Irish and a few Indians also.


Sorry it is a two way street and it is about integrating but integration works both ways and the fact is people can and do get on no matter the ethnic background, you do not see many of the youth who like me grew up with so many different ethnic cultures have this problem, because many grew together and shared many of the same problems. People forget I am of mixed ethnicity and what it was like for being half Irish during the campaign of the IRA, I remember it well to be castigated with them, when I hated them for all the crimes they did, but it did not matter, I was Catholic and Irish and was thus cast as one of them.


You see the only problem is within the individual themselves, it does not bother me I meet people that speak different to me, it never has and should not bother anyone else, unless they are nosey and want to know what everyone says, I think it is at least nice some people can talk in privacy without everyone hearing what you do or say.

Again there is no reason for people not to get along, if people can and do get along, then what excuse is there not to?

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Where I live now there are a few, but not many. However, where I lived before my next door neighbour but one was white english, the rest were chinese, japanese, indian, kurdish, afghan etc. Where I lived before that, was just down the road from a very well known language school and when I got on the bus it was very rare to find anyone speaking english. In all honesty, I don't see the problem. I love it, it's amazing what you can convey with a grin and gesturing. I talk with my hands anyway. My first really best friends were Malay. Sorry Eds, but to me people are people and I find them fascinating whichever area they started off in. When I had a time on my own, I had an Afghan taxi driver who used to take me everywhere I was going and always made sure I was safe inside before he drove off.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:15 am

eddie wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Of course, but when you know it's only in the area, why should it worry you.   I've lived in other countries surrounded by different cultures and skin colours, didn't worry me.   And a study done fairly recently showed that racism is actually more prevalent in areas with few immigrants, and where there are many, it's much lower.


lol sassy if you're in another country then fair enough!

Truthfully, how many, in your area, roughly;

Muslims
Eastern Europeans
White British


Are you, as a white woman, in the minority or the majority?

I grew up London. I have dated all colours. You can't get more multi-cultural than London. I'm telling you now, when you hear and see that people are not getting moved from over-crowded houses and yet a non-English- speaking Polish family gets moved in to a house, and you find out they've only lived here for a couple of years, how would you feel then? It's hard to not feel just a teensy bit aggrieved.
Or the place you live in, was polite and courteous and everyone queued for a bus but now, over ten years you're suddenly in the minority and queuing has gone out of the window.....and as a mother with a pram you're pushed out of the way, and when you get on the bus no one is speaking English.....would,you not feel slightly....."something"?????


Honestly sassy? Honestly?

I like people. I like everyone until they do something to upset me or are downright ignorant to me. I go to aerobics with six Bulgarian ladies and I adore them. But it's getting too,much sassy.
Perhaps not where you live but in some areas it is swamped and it's too much.

That doesn't make me racist.

And Ben? If you don't live it you can't know it.
Same goes for you sassy.
And you didge .

And that people is the reality of large areas of the UK today. Its a reality you may not like as it may not agree with your selective little view of the world, but real it is.

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Post by eddie on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:31 am

Sassy and didge: I like different cultures too.
If I fell in love I'd fall in love with the person, not the colour, race or creed.....I have done exactly that in my past.

But it's still getting too much because there not enough of everything to go round.
Not enough houses.
Not enough places at chosen schools
Not enough jobs
Not enough room!

I wouldn't care if we were a huge big piece of land that could accommodate everyone, but we're not.
I wouldn't mind if we were given priority over housing for example, but we're not.
It makes people, understandably, hostile.

And can I tell you something else? All I hear from the Eastern Europeans that I know (and I know lots!) is that when the Romanian gypsies come....tie your fucking mother down!

A group came past our front gardens the other day, Romanians, and they reached down and took a child's bike right from the front garden.

Tie your mother down lol

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:34 am

There would be enough of all of the above if tax avoidance etc didn't go on.

And I think that is precisely the point of the OP. When times are tough, people turn on others instead of getting to the real reason.

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Sassy wrote:There would be enough of all of the above if tax avoidance etc didn't go on.

And I think that is precisely the point of the OP.   When times are tough, people turn on others instead of getting to the real reason.

Sorry but much as I hate tax avoidance this post is rubbish  Rolling Eyes 

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Post by eddie on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:39 am

Sassy wrote:There would be enough of all of the above if tax avoidance etc didn't go on.

And I think that is precisely the point of the OP.   When times are tough, people turn on others instead of getting to the real reason.

No,sassy we are too tiny a country to keep letting people come in and take the piss, which some people do.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:41 am

eddie wrote:Sassy and didge: I like different cultures too.
If I fell in love I'd fall in love with the person, not the colour, race or creed.....I have done exactly that in my past.

But it's still getting too much because there not enough of everything to go round.
Not enough houses.
Not enough places at chosen schools
Not enough jobs
Not enough room!

I wouldn't care if we were a huge big piece of land that could accommodate everyone, but we're not.
I wouldn't mind if we were given priority over housing for example, but we're not.
It makes people, understandably, hostile.

And can I tell you something else? All I hear from the Eastern Europeans that I know (and I know lots!) is that when the Romanian gypsies come....tie your fucking mother down!

A group came past our front gardens the other day, Romanians, and they reached down and took a child's bike right from the front garden.

Tie your mother down lol


Eddie I agree on the view point that the population with too much immigration is becoming unmanageable, hence why I have always agreed that it needs to be limited, as it affects schools, hospitals etc. The one point though I blame though is on the fact with some British workers not doing certain roles, where is if they did, there would never have been such an influx and need from employers for immigrants to fill these roles in the first place. Is odd when you think about it but in a way we have created the need in the past for migrants to fill jobs. So I agree with some of your view points and even more on seeing each as individuals.
We do have massive space on this Island, only 7% is industrialized and at some point the world needs to look at the population issue, not locally but globally, is no good saying to just look after people born here, when we are all in this together as an issue.


That though is not any reason above not to get on with immigrants, because is controls have not been put properly in place, again why should the immigrant be blamed for when many just want to come here to start a new life?

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:44 am

eddie wrote:
Sassy wrote:There would be enough of all of the above if tax avoidance etc didn't go on.

And I think that is precisely the point of the OP.   When times are tough, people turn on others instead of getting to the real reason.

No,sassy we are too tiny a country to keep letting people come in and take the piss, which some people do.

Eds 52 countries have higher population per square mile than we do, very civilised countries.

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Post by eddie on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:44 am

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:Sassy and didge: I like different cultures too.
If I fell in love I'd fall in love with the person, not the colour, race or creed.....I have done exactly that in my past.

But it's still getting too much because there not enough of everything to go round.
Not enough houses.
Not enough places at chosen schools
Not enough jobs
Not enough room!

I wouldn't care if we were a huge big piece of land that could accommodate everyone, but we're not.
I wouldn't mind if we were given priority over housing for example, but we're not.
It makes people, understandably, hostile.

And can I tell you something else? All I hear from the Eastern Europeans that I know (and I know lots!) is that when the Romanian gypsies come....tie your fucking mother down!

A group came past our front gardens the other day, Romanians, and they reached down and took a child's bike right from the front garden.

Tie your mother down lol


Eddie I agree on the view point that the population with too much immigration is becoming unmanageable, hence why I have always agreed that it needs to be limited, as it affects schools, hospitals etc. The one point though I blame though is on the fact with some British workers not doing certain roles, where is if they did, there would never have been such an influx and need from employers for immigrants to fill these roles in the first place. Is odd when you think about it but in a way we have created the need in the past for migrants to fill jobs. So I agree with some of your view points and even more on seeing each as individuals.
We do have massive space on this Island, only 7% is industrialized and at some point the world needs to look at the population issue, not locally but globally, is no good saying to just look after people born here, when we are all in this together as an issue.


That though is not any reason above not to get on with immigrants, because is controls have not been put properly in place, again why should the immigrant be blamed for when many just want to come here to start a new life?

Didge I could never not get on with someone because of what they are or where they've come from. It's not in me x

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:46 am

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:


Eddie I agree on the view point that the population with too much immigration is becoming unmanageable, hence why I have always agreed that it needs to be limited, as it affects schools, hospitals etc. The one point though I blame though is on the fact with some British workers not doing certain roles, where is if they did, there would never have been such an influx and need from employers for immigrants to fill these roles in the first place. Is odd when you think about it but in a way we have created the need in the past for migrants to fill jobs. So I agree with some of your view points and even more on seeing each as individuals.
We do have massive space on this Island, only 7% is industrialized and at some point the world needs to look at the population issue, not locally but globally, is no good saying to just look after people born here, when we are all in this together as an issue.


That though is not any reason above not to get on with immigrants, because is controls have not been put properly in place, again why should the immigrant be blamed for when many just want to come here to start a new life?

Didge I could never not get on with someone because of what they are or where they've come from. It's not in me x

I know Eddie, the reality is difficult times are ahead for all, but you still have such a perfectly formed beautiful arse, nothing will change that.xx


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Post by eddie on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:56 am

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:

Didge I could never not get on with someone because of what they are or where they've come from. It's not in me x

I know Eddie, the reality is difficult times are ahead for all, but you still have such a perfectly formed beautiful arse, nothing will change that.xx


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Pffff not good enough to share a tent with me in Diego lol

Night didge x

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eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:

I know Eddie, the reality is difficult times are ahead for all, but you still have such a perfectly formed beautiful arse, nothing will change that.xx


 Laughing 

Pffff not good enough to share a tent with me in Diego lol

Night didge x


Night Eddie, and i would always share any cookies with you.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:23 am

eddie wrote:
Sassy wrote:

Of course, but when you know it's only in the area, why should it worry you.   I've lived in other countries surrounded by different cultures and skin colours, didn't worry me.   And a study done fairly recently showed that racism is actually more prevalent in areas with few immigrants, and where there are many, it's much lower.


lol sassy if you're in another country then fair enough!

Truthfully, how many, in your area, roughly;

Muslims
Eastern Europeans
White British


Are you, as a white woman, in the minority or the majority?

I grew up London. I have dated all colours. You can't get more multi-cultural than London. I'm telling you now, when you hear and see that people are not getting moved from over-crowded houses and yet a non-English- speaking Polish family gets moved in to a house, and you find out they've only lived here for a couple of years, how would you feel then? It's hard to not feel just a teensy bit aggrieved.
Or the place you live in, was polite and courteous and everyone queued for a bus but now, over ten years you're suddenly in the minority and queuing has gone out of the window.....and as a mother with a pram you're pushed out of the way, and when you get on the bus no one is speaking English.....would,you not feel slightly....."something"?????


Honestly sassy? Honestly?

I like people. I like everyone until they do something to upset me or are downright ignorant to me. I go to aerobics with six Bulgarian ladies and I adore them. But it's getting too,much sassy.
Perhaps not where you live but in some areas it is swamped and it's too much.

That doesn't make me racist.

And Ben? If you don't live it you can't know it.
Same goes for you sassy.
And you didge .
that's exactly right edds i too have many Nigerian and Bulgarian friends from church i love them all , but like you it makes me feel out of it lol .

I can understand why this happens we want to be and feel familiar and i feel this is what is happening here .

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:38 am

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Ben_Reilly wrote:The thought has occurred to me lately that the people who are bashing Muslims now would be bashing Jews in another era ... you see the same patterns.

And it used to be black people in the fifties.

For me it's about making sure that people integrate - I dislike the thought that people won't speak our language or "join in" and it's about ensuring that there's enough to go round.

I really have to say this too: if you lived in a heavily populated area of a certain nationality etc and found yourself in the minority, it can feel as though you're slightly foreign in your own country.

Can any one of you, understand that?

You apparently assume that I don't live in a city where when you drive through certain areas, all the signs are in Spanish (and others with quite a few in Vietnamese). You don't get to lecture me about multiculturalism and the positives and the negatives because I have grown up in it, I know it, your country is the one in the early struggles of it; not mine.

I just grew up knowing that though the Mexican community and the Asian community (to you, Oriental) in my area produces drug dealers, gang-bangers, cholos and vatos, it also produces a great many good people who I consider friends, and it has nothing to do with where they come from or what their skin color is or what they might value in their culture (you should read some of our Spanish-language newspapers, fucking weird) but who they are as people. Oh, and I don't ignore the skinhead Peckerwood gang members from my own ethnicity who are committing the same crimes.

Times change. If we railed against all of it, we'd still be denying women the vote. You have to weigh the good against the bad, and if you're truly fair and truly non-biased, you generally see that decent people outnumber bad people no matter what culture they're from.

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Ben_Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

And it used to be black people in the fifties.

For me it's about making sure that people integrate - I dislike the thought that people won't speak our language or "join in" and it's about ensuring that there's enough to go round.

I really have to say this too: if you lived in a heavily populated area of a certain nationality etc and found yourself in the minority, it can feel as though you're slightly foreign in your own country.

Can any one of you, understand that?

You apparently assume that I don't live in a city where when you drive through certain areas, all the signs are in Spanish (and others with quite a few in Vietnamese). You don't get to lecture me about multiculturalism and the positives and the negatives because I have grown up in it, I know it, your country is the one in the early struggles of it; not mine.

I just grew up knowing that though the Mexican community and the Asian community (to you, Oriental) in my area produces drug dealers, gang-bangers, cholos and vatos, it also produces a great many good people who I consider friends, and it has nothing to do with where they come from or what their skin color is or what they might value in their culture (you should read some of our Spanish-language newspapers, fucking weird) but who they are as people. Oh, and I don't ignore the skinhead Peckerwood gang members from my own ethnicity who are committing the same crimes.

Times change. If we railed against all of it, we'd still be denying women the vote. You have to weigh the good against the bad, and if you're truly fair and truly non-biased, you generally see that decent people outnumber bad people no matter what culture they're from.

Do the immigrants in America get priority for housing, free schooling, free medical care, free interpreters to help them maximise benefits and so on?

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:43 am

Ben_Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

And it used to be black people in the fifties.

For me it's about making sure that people integrate - I dislike the thought that people won't speak our language or "join in" and it's about ensuring that there's enough to go round.

I really have to say this too: if you lived in a heavily populated area of a certain nationality etc and found yourself in the minority, it can feel as though you're slightly foreign in your own country.

Can any one of you, understand that?

You apparently assume that I don't live in a city where when you drive through certain areas, all the signs are in Spanish (and others with quite a few in Vietnamese). You don't get to lecture me about multiculturalism and the positives and the negatives because I have grown up in it, I know it, your country is the one in the early struggles of it; not mine.

I just grew up knowing that though the Mexican community and the Asian community (to you, Oriental) in my area produces drug dealers, gang-bangers, cholos and vatos, it also produces a great many good people who I consider friends, and it has nothing to do with where they come from or what their skin color is or what they might value in their culture (you should read some of our Spanish-language newspapers, fucking weird) but who they are as people. Oh, and I don't ignore the skinhead Peckerwood gang members from my own ethnicity who are committing the same crimes.

Times change. If we railed against all of it, we'd still be denying women the vote. You have to weigh the good against the bad, and if you're truly fair and truly non-biased, you generally see that decent people outnumber bad people no matter what culture they're from.

You see now there's the difference.  Of all the groups you mentioned, none of them wanted to turn the clocks back and alter the consitution of the country so that women had to sit at the back of the room, where women were treated like pieces of meat, where women's voices were stilled, where men ruled....

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Holy crap Tess you know little of the world

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Nems wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

You apparently assume that I don't live in a city where when you drive through certain areas, all the signs are in Spanish (and others with quite a few in Vietnamese). You don't get to lecture me about multiculturalism and the positives and the negatives because I have grown up in it, I know it, your country is the one in the early struggles of it; not mine.

I just grew up knowing that though the Mexican community and the Asian community (to you, Oriental) in my area produces drug dealers, gang-bangers, cholos and vatos, it also produces a great many good people who I consider friends, and it has nothing to do with where they come from or what their skin color is or what they might value in their culture (you should read some of our Spanish-language newspapers, fucking weird) but who they are as people. Oh, and I don't ignore the skinhead Peckerwood gang members from my own ethnicity who are committing the same crimes.

Times change. If we railed against all of it, we'd still be denying women the vote. You have to weigh the good against the bad, and if you're truly fair and truly non-biased, you generally see that decent people outnumber bad people no matter what culture they're from.

Do the immigrants in America get priority for housing, free schooling, free medical care, free interpreters to help them maximise benefits and so on?


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Didge wrote:Holy crap Tess you know little of the world

Well sure I'm only a woman...  Rolling Eyes 

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Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:Holy crap Tess you know little of the world

Well sure I'm only a woman...  Rolling Eyes 


A woman who has lived in the west where still women are battered in their millions, though this I guess escapes you, where countless women are still raped, again I guess this escapes you, showing you only wish to see what you wish to see to promote a view and an agenda you have.


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Didge wrote:
Tesstacious wrote:

Well sure I'm only a woman...  Rolling Eyes 


A woman who has lived in the west where still women are battered in their millions, though this I guess escapes you, where countless women are still raped, again I guess this escapes you, showing you only wish to see what you wish to see to promote a view and an agenda you have.


We're making progress in that respect and have been for years now: Are you seriously comparng women's rights in the UK with those in the Middle East and Pakistan?  and I find this rich coming from the person who denied that women were made to sit at the back of the room by Muslims at the Oxford Union meeting, even after I'd posted proof from the Oxford Union Women's group themselves.  Twisting and avoiding the inconsiderate truths as usual - ho hum, nothing changes.

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Post by Eilzel on Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:41 am

To be fair this has all gone slightly off topic. Regardless of immigration the fact is that the arguments compared in the OP are of the same kind; anti Semitic Nazi views of the Jews are the same as the Far Right and conservative views against Muslims today, the same.

You cannot defend the indefensible. And sass and didge are right it is born of the typical scape goating tendency that reveals itself in times of economic difficulty. Attacking Muslims does nothing to help the national situation, bur it does make small minded people feel they have someone to blame...

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Tesstacious wrote:
Didge wrote:


A woman who has lived in the west where still women are battered in their millions, though this I guess escapes you, where countless women are still raped, again I guess this escapes you, showing you only wish to see what you wish to see to promote a view and an agenda you have.


We're making progress in that respect and have been for years now: Are you seriously comparng women's rights in the UK with those in the Middle East and Pakistan?  and I find this rich coming from the person who denied that women were made to sit at the back of the room by Muslims at the Oxford Union meeting, even after I'd posted proof from the Oxford Union Women's group themselves.  Twisting and avoiding the inconsiderate truths as usual - ho hum, nothing changes.


Really again I have to laugh, how are we making progress?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/endemic-police-failure-to-take-domestic-violence-seriously-is-putting-womens-lives-at-risk-says-report-9217401.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exclusive-rape-of-vulnerable-women-has-been-effectively-decriminalised-9161336.html


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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:45 am

Eilzel wrote:To be fair this has all gone slightly off topic. Regardless of immigration the fact is that the arguments compared in the OP are of the same kind; anti Semitic Nazi views of the Jews are the same as the Far Right and conservative views against Muslims today, the same.

You cannot defend the indefensible. And sass and didge are right it is born of the typical scape goating tendency that reveals itself in times of economic difficulty. Attacking Muslims does nothing to help the national situation, bur it does make small minded people feel they have someone to blame...


Exactly Eilzel and this is what people are missing, I do not defend the appalling abuse by some Muslims and have seen how especially in the west many Muslims have progressed, and the more progress the more religion will only play a back role in the lives of people.

This is the fact though people have always sought to blame someone for any of the problems within a nation, they forget we ourselves have many, but many tend to ignore this when we need to concentrate on all issues's.

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:15 pm

Nems wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
eddie wrote:

And it used to be black people in the fifties.

For me it's about making sure that people integrate - I dislike the thought that people won't speak our language or "join in" and it's about ensuring that there's enough to go round.

I really have to say this too: if you lived in a heavily populated area of a certain nationality etc and found yourself in the minority, it can feel as though you're slightly foreign in your own country.

Can any one of you, understand that?

You apparently assume that I don't live in a city where when you drive through certain areas, all the signs are in Spanish (and others with quite a few in Vietnamese). You don't get to lecture me about multiculturalism and the positives and the negatives because I have grown up in it, I know it, your country is the one in the early struggles of it; not mine.

I just grew up knowing that though the Mexican community and the Asian community (to you, Oriental) in my area produces drug dealers, gang-bangers, cholos and vatos, it also produces a great many good people who I consider friends, and it has nothing to do with where they come from or what their skin color is or what they might value in their culture (you should read some of our Spanish-language newspapers, fucking weird) but who they are as people. Oh, and I don't ignore the skinhead Peckerwood gang members from my own ethnicity who are committing the same crimes.

Times change. If we railed against all of it, we'd still be denying women the vote. You have to weigh the good against the bad, and if you're truly fair and truly non-biased, you generally see that decent people outnumber bad people no matter what culture they're from.

Do the immigrants in America get priority for housing, free schooling, free medical care, free interpreters to help them maximise benefits and so on?

In Australia they do  Neutral  Neutral  Neutral .... but we're paradise  :asdrnkbudsas: 

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:32 pm

Sick to the high teeth of all the support Muslims get because they cry like babies the second things don't go their way its totally boring .

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veya_victaous wrote:
Nems wrote:

Do the immigrants in America get priority for housing, free schooling, free medical care, free interpreters to help them maximise benefits and so on?

In Australia they do  Neutral  Neutral  Neutral .... but we're paradise  :asdrnkbudsas: 

Having lived there for over a year I can say its pretty damned close

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:39 pm

lol...it was really the nazi's who hated the Jews and started the trouble, one desperate group who had a reason for their hatred, they wanted their money and businesses and to get a common enemy to bring the people together..
At that time or any other time the Jews have not shown themselves to be a threat to the world or a dictatorship..
they keep themselves pretty much to themselves..

Now the poor beleaguered Muslims, have killed men, women and children in nearly every country on the globe, invade a country and demand their own laws, have no tolerance for any other faith, carry banners about killing non believers, beheading those who insult mohammered, shout insults at returning dead soldiers of the countries they have decided to live in...
practically day by day atrocities in the news committed by Muslims bombs, beheadings, murder, honour murder...

yeah i can see why people would see similarities between Jews and Muslims... Smile Smile 

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:25 pm

What I dont get is why so called "islamophobia" (another of the lefty "made up words")
is, in the lefty world, only counterable by islamophillia, rather than a realisation that they are NOT always right and DONT always know "whats best for us"



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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:26 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:lol...it was really the nazi's who hated the Jews and started the trouble, one desperate group who had a reason for their hatred, they wanted their money and businesses and to get a common enemy to bring the people together..
At that time or any other time the Jews have not shown themselves to be a threat to the world or a dictatorship..
they keep themselves pretty much to themselves..

Now the poor beleaguered Muslims, have killed men, women and children in nearly every country on the globe, invade a country and demand their own laws, have no tolerance for any other faith, carry banners about killing non believers, beheading those who insult mohammered, shout insults at returning dead soldiers of the countries they have decided to live in...
practically day by day atrocities in the news committed by Muslims bombs, beheadings, murder, honour murder...

yeah i can see why people would see similarities between Jews and Muslims... Smile Smile 


You really know little of History do you?
The hatred of Jews in Germany had gone on for years and again were seen exactly like Muslims are seen today in the west, all the same lame arguments, which I guess you seem to still struggle with not only religious knowledge but also history.


Lets see if you have a brain why did so many Germans freely except hatred of the Jews in the time of Nazi's?


Good luck

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:28 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:What I dont get is why so called "islamophobia" (another of the lefty "made up words")
is, in the lefty world, only counterable by islamophillia, rather than a realisation that they are NOT always right and DONT always know "whats best for us"



very well said.... Smile 

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:31 pm

Didge wrote:
Godisgoodallthetime wrote:lol...it was really the nazi's who hated the Jews and started the trouble, one desperate group who had a reason for their hatred, they wanted their money and businesses and to get a common enemy to bring the people together..
At that time or any other time the Jews have not shown themselves to be a threat to the world or a dictatorship..
they keep themselves pretty much to themselves..

Now the poor beleaguered Muslims, have killed men, women and children in nearly every country on the globe, invade a country and demand their own laws, have no tolerance for any other faith, carry banners about killing non believers, beheading those who insult mohammered, shout insults at returning dead soldiers of the countries they have decided to live in...
practically day by day atrocities in the news committed by Muslims bombs, beheadings, murder, honour murder...

yeah i can see why people would see similarities between Jews and Muslims... Smile Smile 


You really know little of History do you?
The hatred of Jews in Germany had gone on for years and again were seen exactly like Muslims are seen today in the west, all the same lame arguments, which I guess you seem to still struggle with not only religious knowledge but also history.


Lets see if you have a brain why did so many Germans freely except hatred of the Jews in the time of Nazi's?


Good luck

get a grip, everyone ,bar you, knows why hitler targeted the Jews..

again only - wait, it just occurred to me, I am very very stupid - has brought hate, intolerance, death and destruction to every corner of the world...

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:31 pm

victorisnotamused wrote:What I dont get is why so called "islamophobia" (another of the lefty "made up words")
is, in the lefty world, only counterable by islamophillia, rather than a realisation that they are NOT always right and DONT always know "whats best for us"




Okay how about Islamoprejudice?

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:32 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:
Didge wrote:


You really know little of History do you?
The hatred of Jews in Germany had gone on for years and again were seen exactly like Muslims are seen today in the west, all the same lame arguments, which I guess you seem to still struggle with not only religious knowledge but also history.


Lets see if you have a brain why did so many Germans freely except hatred of the Jews in the time of Nazi's?


Good luck

get a grip, everyone ,bar you, knows why hitler targeted the Jews..

again only - wait, it just occurred to me, I am very very stupid - has brought hate, intolerance, death and destruction to every corner of the world...


Try again, wrong answer, I asked why many of the Germans freely excepted the hatred of the Jews?


Take your time, I can wait.

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:34 pm

what about islamayouaredeadrighttheydojustwanttheirownwayortheywillkilleveryone...

it's a bit unwieldy but it's a lot closer to the truth... Smile 

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Post by Guest on Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:35 pm

Godisgoodallthetime wrote:what about islamayouaredeadrighttheydojustwanttheirownwayortheywillkilleveryone...

it's a bit unwieldy but it's a lot closer to the truth... Smile 


Try again, wrong answer

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Post by Guest on Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:45 pm

Didge wrote:






ANTI-Muslim/ISLAMOPHOBIC PROPAGANDA


“Islam constitutes a threat to the world at large.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

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When Shi’ite Muslims were persecuted by Sunnis, they developed the doctrine of taqiyya, or concealment: They could lie about what they believed, denying aspects of their faith that were offensive to Sunnis…Closely related to this is the doctrine of kitman, or mental reservation, which is telling the truth, but not the whole truth, with an intention to mislead…Remember that the next time you see a Muslim spokesman on television professing his friendship with non-Muslim Americans and his loyalty to the United States. Of course, he may be telling the truth–but he may not be telling the whole truth or he may be just lying.  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION



There are “many elements of traditional and mainstream Islam that are at variance with our system of government, our Constitution, and our entire way of life.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

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“There is no reliable way to distinguish a “moderate” Muslim who rejects the jihad ideology and Islamic supremacism from a “radical” Muslim who holds such ideas, even if he isn’t acting upon them at the moment.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

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“The misbegotten term “Islamo-fascism” is wholly redundant: Islam itself is a kind of fascism that achieves its full and proper form only when it assumes the powers of the state.” Robert Spencer,AFDI, SIOA, SION  

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S-H-A-R-I-A  L-A-W

“There is no distinction in the American Muslim community between peaceful Muslims and jihadists.” Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

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“(Islam) is the only major world religion with a developed doctrine and tradition of warfare against unbelievers.”  Robert Spencer, AFDI, SIOA, SION

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."  

“Islam is of the devil” Rev. Terry Jones

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“Islam is evil” Rev. Franklin Graham

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“There is no escaping the unfortunate fact that Muslim government employees in law enforcement, the military and the diplomatic corps need to be watched for connections to terrorism.”  Rev. Franklin Graham

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“Nearly all (emphasis added) of the Islamic organizations in the United States that define themselves as religiously or culturally Muslim in character have, today, been totally captured or dominated by radical fundamentalist elements…”  Steven Emerson

CAIR FOR THE US

MCB FOR THE UK

“U.S. Muslims are strategically aligning with LGBT people as part of their jihadist campaign to subjugate the West.”  Joseph Farrah, WND

AND SO ARE THE ONES IN THE UK

”Devout Muslims should be prohibited from military service. Would Patton have recruited Nazis into his army?”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

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Good Muslims lie to advance Islam, It’s the law. Atlas readers often hear me refer to taqiya - lies to advance Islam.” Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

CORRECT

I believe that “Al-Qaeda is a manifestation of devout Islam ... It is Islam.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

CORRECT

“Arabic is not just another language like French or Italian, it is the spearhead of an ideological project that is deeply opposed to the United States.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

I believe that “Hitler WAS inspired by Islam”  Pamela Geller, AFDI,SIOA, SION

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“The ability to enjoy and produce knowledge and abstract thinking is simply lower in the Islamic world.”  Nicolai Sennels

CORRECT

One significant conclusion of my research was that having been raised in a Muslim environment – with Muslim parents and traditions – includes the risk of developing certain antisocial patterns.  Nicolai Sennels

CORRECT

As in many other nauseating situations, Islamonausea is a normal and natural reaction to something abnormal, not vice versa.  The nausea reflex is innate, and it is biologically natural and healthy to experience emotional and bodily discomfort with anything that is unpleasant, unhealthy or harmful.  ... The word Islamonausea can be used to describe a feeling of nausea, disgust, displeasure, discomfort or aversion that arises by itself when encountering Islam or Islamic culture, or whatever or whoever represents it. Nicolai Sennels

ANYONE WHO DOESN'T FEEL NAUSEA WHEN ENCOUNTERING Islam NEEDS MEDICAL HELP

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“Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense.”  [SIOE motto]

NOTHING PHOBIC ABOUT BEING AGAINST A GROUP OF PSYCHOPATHS WHO HAVE ALREADY STATED THEY WANT TO KILL YOU

“I would like to feel all warm and fuzzy and embrace the moderate Muslim/ meme but they show no evidence of their existence - not in any real number anyway. The only voices of reason in the Muslim world are lapsed Muslims or apostates.  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

OR DEAD ONES

Attackers have shot dead an imam and two of his male relations, as they drove to a mosque in the Russian North Caucasus region of Dagestan.

They were shot on their way to morning prayers, close to the imam's home in the Caspian Sea town of Derbent, law enforcement sources told reporters.

The cleric was named as Kalimulla Ibragimov, 49, who is said to have delivered sermons calling for peace.

Islamists have been blamed for attacks on moderate Muslims in the region.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20136051

“It’s the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews.  Our goodness makes them ill.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

CORRECT

I believe that “Islam is a mental illness”.  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

CORRECT

“The artifacts featured in this exhibit are stolen. Period. Stolen from the cultures conquered and Islamized, and the lands appropriated by the Muslims. The Met is passing off this stolen intellectual property as Islamic. It isn’t.”  Pamela Geller, AFDI, SIOA, SION

CORRECT

I believe that Islam is “the most insidious doctrine of hate. Islam can’t be reformed, but it can be eradicated. It can’t be molded, but it can be smashed.”  Ali Sina, SION

CORRECT

“We do not want to reform Islam. We want to eradicate it. Just as cancer cannot be reformed and the only way to cure the patient is to eradicate it, Islam cant be reformed either and it must be eradicated for the world to be saved.”  Ali Sina, FMU, SION

CORRECT

I believe that “Islam, like fascism, appeals to people with low self esteem and low intelligence.  Ali Sina, FMU, SION

CORRECT

I believe that “Every “moderate” Muslim is a potential terrorist.” Ali Sina, FMU, SION

CORRECT

I believe that “On the so-called Global War on Terrorism, GWOT, we have been quite clear along with a few other resolute souls. This should be a WAR AGAINST Islam and all Muslim faithful…At a practical level, this means that Shari’a and Islamic law are immediately outlawed. Any Muslim in America who adopts historical and traditional Shari’a will be subject to deportation. Mosques which adhere to Islamic law will be shut down permanently. No self-described or practicing Muslim, irrespective of his or her declarations to the contrary, will be allowed to immigrate to this country…” David Yerushalmi, SANE

I believe that “Muslim civilization is at war with Judeo-Christian civilization…The Muslim peoples, those committed to Islam as we know it today, are our enemies.”  David Yerushalmi, SANE

“We love you Muslims because you are humans like us. We are all related to each other. We are all limbs of the body of mankind. But you are diseased. You are infected by a deadly cult that threatens our lives. Your humanity is destroyed. Like a limb infected by flesh eating disease, now you are a threat to the rest of mankind. We will do everything to save you, to make you see your folly, and to make you understand that you are victims of a gigantic lie, so you leave this lie, stop hating mankind and plotting for its destruction and it domination. But if all efforts fail and if you become a threat to our lives and the lives of our children, we must amputate you.”  Ali Sina, FMU, SION

There is a need for an “old fashioned war with wholesale slaughter including indiscriminate death of innocents and babes. down to the last Muslim, if necessary.”  John Joseph Jay, AFDI

The only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.  ...  The Islamofeces cockroaches are on the march and if we do not kill them all, they shall kill us.  George M. Weinert V

“I’ve got an idea, let’s kill all Muslims.”  Jay Severin

“Rot in hell, Osama bin Laden.  One down, 1.8 billion to go ... many of ‘em inside U.S. borders, with the U.S. government at all levels kissing their asses.”  Debbie Schlussel

“I do not believe that our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed.”  Rev. Rod Parsley

“Absolutely. If a Muslim who has—who is—a practicing Muslim who believes the word of the Koran to be the word of Allah, who abides by Islam, who goes to mosque and prays every Friday, who prays five times a day—this practicing Muslim, who believes in the teachings of the Koran, cannot be a loyal citizen to the United States of America.”  Brigitte Gabrie, ACT for Americal

Westerners “don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion].  [But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…. There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam….There is only one Islam.”  Wafa Sultan, FMU

“What has the Arab world contributed except terror? The theocratic, repressive Arabic states do no significant science, no significant arts and culture.”  “Osama bin Laden is a very good Muslim - a model one, in fact, and one of the most devout in the 1400 years of Islam.”  David Horowitz, Freedom Center

“Sure America’s First Amendment protects freedom of religion. But the Founding Fathers and signatories of the Constitution undoubtedly would not have included rights in it for members of a religion that demands the destruction, persecution and invasion of the United States of America -and at best, the establishment of a shadow Constitution parallel to the American one, namely Islamic sharia law. No, that most certainly was not in the minds of America’s Founding Fathers.”  Eliana Benador

“America and the West are doomed to failure in this war unless they stand up and identify the real enemy: Islam.”  Brigitte Gabriel, ACT for America

“We are in a war against a political, theocratic, authoritarian ideology and it is called Islam!”  Rep. Allen West, (R-FL)

“The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don’t wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran.”  Rep. Virgil H. Goode, Jr

“There are too many mosques in this country.”  -  “85 percent of American Muslim community leaders are an enemy living amongst us”  -  “no (American) Muslims cooperate in the war on terror”.  -  “I would say, you could say that 80-85 percent of mosques in this country are controlled by Islamic fundamentalists … Those who are in control.  The average Muslim, no, they are loyal, but they don’t work, they don’t come forward, they don’t tell the police.”  Rep. Peter King

“We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”  Ann Coulter

Taught military personnel that they should take a “war on Islam” “to the civilian population wherever necessary,” which he likened to the bombardment of Dresden and nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Army Lt. Col. Matthew A. Dooley

So once one acknowledges the obvious, that there is fascistic behavior among a core of Muslims — specifically, a cult of violence and the wanton use of physical force to impose an ideology on others — the term “Islamo-Fascism” is entirely appropriate.  Dennis Prager

We would be looked upon as uncouth for suggesting that the only language all Muslims understand is that of blood and death and only death can stop them. As long as they survive on this planet, they will be a destabilizing influence and never allow civilized people to breathe freely. There is no hope of transforming the Muslims into a good peace-loving and noble community. As long as a Muslim lives, killing infidels comes to him/her as naturally as does attacking its prey comes to a wild and hungry beast. Muslims are brainwashed to do this by the Quran - the instruction manual of hate and terror. They can never be transformed into good citizens. And so the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim. This is the harsh reality. And so we need to face the seemingly heartless and brutal fact of life that all Muslims need to be given the choice of leaving Islam voluntarily or being put out of harm’s way, i.e. put out of the way from harming anybody else! No other way has the prospect of resolving the Muslim problem across the globe.  War on Jihad site

It’s Time to Put the Coffee Down and Eradicate Islam in the West. This article included the passage “It’s time to join the war, not on “terror” (that oh-so soothing illusion,) but on Islam in the West. Most urgently, we must defend Israel as the frontline in the war against the spread of Islam.”  Jeanette Pryor on David Horowitz’ blog

“ Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene…. All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most.”  Daniel Pipes, MEF

Islam is “a violent political system bent on the overthrow of the governments of the world and world domination.  You’re dealing with not a religion, you’re dealing with a political system, and I think we should treat it as such, and treat its adherents as such as we would members of the communist party, members of some fascist group.”  Rev. Pat Robertson

“Do you really want someone representing you, who swears an oath on a Quran — a book that undermines our Constitution and says you should be killed? I’m Gary Boisclair, and I approve this message.”  Gary Boisclair (D-MI)

“It has been left to us to educate the uneducated of this country to the difference between Sikhism, Hinduism and Islam. Islam is a disease….it is a disease. Winston Churchill once said, ‘Islam in a man is the same as rabies in a dog’.”  Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson), EDL

“... every single Muslim watching this on YouTube: on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens, you got away with it. Next time you think about it you’d better understand that we have built a network from one end of this country to the other end. We will not tolerate it and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defence League if we see any of our citizens killed, maimed or hurt on British soil ever again.”  - Stephen Yaxley-Lennon (aka Tommy Robinson), EDL

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