What is Libertarianism.

There's a lot of fake news out there about Libertarians. Honestly, we're not sure why everyone hates those guys. Libertarianism is the only logically consistent political philosophy, and it's held primarily by crazy people.

But The Bee is here to set the record straight once and for all about our weird, drug and Bitcoin-obsessed friends with this handy explainer.

Founding: Libertarianism was officially founded in 1773 when the British colonists were like "A tax on tea? Blimey, mate, that's bloody mental!" After dumping tea in the harbor, they launched fireworks, ate barbecue, and debated Ayn Rand.

Beliefs: It's mostly about wanting to smoke weed and run around naked while shooting guns in the air, we think. There's something in there about freedom, liberty, and the God-given right to defend yourself and your property, too, but honestly, it's mostly about the weed. And buying Bitcoin. While smoking weed.

Common symbols and mascots: The porcupine, the Gadsden flag, dank memes, Dogecoin.

Prominent proponents: Ron Paul, that weird guy who's always smoking weed in your drama class, Satan.

Prominent critics: Republicans, Democrats, anyone who loves war and hates freedom. Also, people who think weed is stinky.

Key texts: Atlas Shrugged (we think, no one's actually ever read it), The Law, The Freakin' CONSTITUTION, the book of Judges.

How do you spot a Libertarian? You can usually smell their dank kush before you can see them. But if your sense of smell is still all wack from COVID, look for guys carting around books from the 1700s and shouting, "AM I BEING DETAINED?!" at everyone from police officers to Arby's cashiers.

What is the Libertarian Party? A joke.

What are the future prospects of Libertarianism? Not good. Honestly, people who believe in liberty might all be rounded up and arrested by the time we finish typing this sent.

Libertarianism is no joke. It's the gangs in Nicaragua and Guatemala chasing children to our borders, and the drug traffickers in Mexico and Colombia taking over those countries.

It’s what you get when you create an environment of lawlessness by the lack of a strong government.

I reckon it's what all Maga nuts, and some American "militias" members want and some pray for

Maddog wrote:
There's a lot of fake news out there about Libertarians. Honestly, we're not sure why everyone hates those guys. Libertarianism is the only logically consistent political philosophy, and it's held primarily by crazy people.

But The Bee is here to set the record straight once and for all about our weird, drug and Bitcoin-obsessed friends with this handy explainer.

Founding: Libertarianism was officially founded in 1773 when the British colonists were like "A tax on tea? Blimey, mate, that's bloody mental!" After dumping tea in the harbor, they launched fireworks, ate barbecue, and debated Ayn Rand.

Beliefs: It's mostly about wanting to smoke weed and run around naked while shooting guns in the air, we think. There's something in there about freedom, liberty, and the God-given right to defend yourself and your property, too, but honestly, it's mostly about the weed. And buying Bitcoin. While smoking weed.

Common symbols and mascots: The porcupine, the Gadsden flag, dank memes, Dogecoin.

Prominent proponents: Ron Paul, that weird guy who's always smoking weed in your drama class, Satan.

Prominent critics: Republicans, Democrats, anyone who loves war and hates freedom. Also, people who think weed is stinky.

Key texts: Atlas Shrugged (we think, no one's actually ever read it), The Law, The Freakin' CONSTITUTION, the book of Judges.

How do you spot a Libertarian? You can usually smell their dank kush before you can see them. But if your sense of smell is still all wack from COVID, look for guys carting around books from the 1700s and shouting, "AM I BEING DETAINED?!" at everyone from police officers to Arby's cashiers.

What is the Libertarian Party? A joke.

What are the future prospects of Libertarianism? Not good. Honestly, people who believe in liberty might all be rounded up and arrested by the time we finish typing this sent.

"You can usually smell their dank kush before you can see them" ? All thrums are fingers, BUT not all fingers are thrums .

Korben wrote:I reckon it's what all Maga nuts, and some American "militias" members want and some pray for  

"Prominent critics: Republicans, Democrats, anyone who loves war and hates freedom. Also, people who think weed is stinky."

I know this has been used before on the site years ago perhaps but i thought "given the question" where i stand

https://www.politicalcompass.org/
cant say i am surprised at the result

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:I reckon it's what all Maga nuts, and some American "militias" members want and some pray for  

"Prominent critics: Republicans, Democrats, anyone who loves war and hates freedom. Also, people who think weed is stinky."

weed is stinky

I hate war and i know true freedom has its limits as true "freedom" is called Anarchy

Libertarianism is one of those philosophies that could only work if everyone followed the Non-Aggression Principle, because it provides no mechanism for dealing with people who don't follow the NAP.

There's a long interview on the internet called "Journey into a Libertarian Future," in which a die-hard libertarian is eventually forced to admit that if the government was drastically scaled back, it would necessitate a slew of private, for-profit entities that serve the same functions of government, but at a higher cost (remember -- democratic government is NON-profit) and with fewer safeguards against abuse.

And the dickhead still thinks it would be better, because this is the number-one thing about libertarians:

They all share an unreasonable, pathological hatred of anything that isn't a for-profit endeavor.

This one ?

Korben wrote:I know this has been used before on the site years ago perhaps but i thought "given the question" where i stand

https://www.politicalcompass.org/
cant say i am surprised at the result

Yeah, I think we have done that a few times.

Ben Reilly wrote:Libertarianism is one of those philosophies that could only work if everyone followed the Non-Aggression Principle, because it provides no mechanism for dealing with people who don't follow the NAP.

There's a long interview on the internet called "Journey into a Libertarian Future," in which a die-hard libertarian is eventually forced to admit that if the government was drastically scaled back, it would necessitate a slew of private, for-profit entities that serve the same functions of government, but at a higher cost (remember -- democratic government is NON-profit) and with fewer safeguards against abuse.

And the dickhead still thinks it would be better, because this is the number-one thing about libertarians:

They all share an unreasonable, pathological hatred of anything that isn't a for-profit endeavor.

Did you read the OP or just the title and start typing?

Ben Reilly wrote:Libertarianism is one of those philosophies that could only work if everyone followed the Non-Aggression Principle, because it provides no mechanism for dealing with people who don't follow the NAP.

There's a long interview on the internet called "Journey into a Libertarian Future," in which a die-hard libertarian is eventually forced to admit that if the government was drastically scaled back, it would necessitate a slew of private, for-profit entities that serve the same functions of government, but at a higher cost (remember -- democratic government is NON-profit) and with fewer safeguards against abuse.

And the dickhead still thinks it would be better, because this is the number-one thing about libertarians:

They all share an unreasonable, pathological hatred of anything that isn't a for-profit endeavor.

Have you heard of courts and prison?

Here you go Ben.

I've given you the source of the party's platform severaltimes in the past , yet you make up things that aren't on there. It's really not that hard to do a little research so that you're informed on a topic.

I don't expect much from say Quill, but you can do better.

1.7 Crime and Justice

Government force must be limited to the protection of the rights of individuals to life, liberty, and property, and governments must never be permitted to violate these rights. Laws should be limited in their application to violations of the rights of others through force or fraud, or to deliberate actions that place others involuntarily at significant risk of harm. Therefore, we favor the repeal of all laws creating “crimes” without victims, such as gambling, the use of drugs for medicinal or recreational purposes, and consensual transactions involving sexual services. We support restitution to the victim to the fullest degree possible at the expense of the criminal or the negligent wrongdoer. The constitutional rights of the criminally accused, including due process, a speedy trial, legal counsel, trial by jury, and the legal presumption of innocence until proven guilty, must be preserved. We assert the common-law right of juries to judge not only the facts but also the justice of the law. We oppose the prosecutorial practice of “over-charging” in criminal prosecutions so as to avoid jury trials by intimidating defendants into accepting plea bargains.

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

"Prominent critics: Republicans, Democrats, anyone who loves war and hates freedom. Also, people who think weed is stinky."

weed is stinky

I hate war and i know true freedom has its limits as true "freedom" is called Anarchy

And your post about MAGA?

In a sense, libertarianism is like communism.  That is, Marx too thought all people were good souls, who would evolve into not needing a government to constrain them.  If you study anarchy, it's part of the same branch.  See, George Lichtheim, A Short History of Socialism (1970).

Unfortunately, it didn't work in Russia, and it's barely working in China.  Cuba, Laos and North Korea need to be subsidized.  No one in government has left voluntarily, and they still point their guns inward, not outward.

Watch and learn, libertarians.

[quote="Maddog"]

Korben wrote:
weed is stinky

I hate war and i know true freedom has its limits as true "freedom" is called Anarchy

And your post about MAGA?

ER ...which one ? i think you are going to be more specific ?

ABOUT MAGA Mmmmmmmm

Nope you've have lost me

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

And your post about MAGA?

ER ...which one ?  i think you are going to be more specific ?

ABOUT MAGA Mmmmmmmm

Nope you've  have lost me

The one you made on this tnread?

You may want to dial back the Mary Jane.

Original Quill wrote:In a sense, libertarianism is like communism.  That is, Marx too thought all people were good souls, who would evolve into not needing a government to constrain them.  If you study anarchy, it's part of the same branch.  See, George Lichtheim, A Short History of Socialism (1970).

Unfortunately, it didn't work in Russia, and it's barely working in China.  Cuba, Laos and North Korea need to be subsidized.  No one in government has left voluntarily, and they still point their guns inward, not outward.

Watch and learn, libertarians.  

Libertarianism is basically classical liberalism which is the philosophy this country operated under during its formative years.

It's not a fucking thing like communism.

Maddog wrote:


The one you made on this tnread?

You may want to dial back the Mary Jane.  

Ah!!! that helps as i likely to have made a few on the forum ,You cant just say !your post!!! about MAGA leaving out the frame of reference  ie previously above,On an other thread today .yesterday last week ect

Any way

























Am i right  

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:


The one you made on this tnread?

You may want to dial back the Mary Jane.  

Ah!!! that helps as i likely to have made a few on the forum ,You cant just say !your post!!! about MAGA leaving out the frame of reference  ie previously above,On an other thread today .yesterday last week ect

Any way

























Am i right  

You want me to remind you of posts you made a few posts up on the same thread?

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:In a sense, libertarianism is like communism.  That is, Marx too thought all people were good souls, who would evolve into not needing a government to constrain them.  If you study anarchy, it's part of the same branch.  See, George Lichtheim, A Short History of Socialism (1970).

Unfortunately, it didn't work in Russia, and it's barely working in China.  Cuba, Laos and North Korea need to be subsidized.  No one in government has left voluntarily, and they still point their guns inward, not outward.

Watch and learn, libertarians.  

Libertarianism is basically classical liberalism which is the philosophy this country operated under during its formative years.

It's not a fucking thing like communism.

It's just like communism, in the way I described. There is a branch of liberalism that goes toward politics disappearing altogether. It's the part of liberalism that wants to give/leave power, to the maximum extent, to self-rule. It motivated anarchy, libertarianism and Marx. See, Wolin, Sheldon, Politics and Vision: Continuity and Innovation in Western Political Thought (1960).

Original Quill wrote:

Maddog wrote:

Libertarianism is basically classical liberalism which is the philosophy this country operated under during its formative years.

It's not a fucking thing like communism.

It's just like communism, in the way I described.  There is a branch of liberalism that goes toward politics disappearing altogether.  It's the part of liberalism that wants to give/leave power, to the maximum extent, to self-rule.  It motivated anarchy, libertarianism and Marx.  See, Wolin, Sheldon, Politics and Vision: Continuity and Innovation in Western Political Thought (1960).

Do you ever just shut the fuck up?

Not surprised with mine.
There are some on here who are off the chart in the top right hand corner.

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
Ah!!! that helps as i likely to have made a few on the forum ,You cant just say !your post!!! about MAGA leaving out the frame of reference  ie previously above,On an other thread today .yesterday last week ect

Any way
----------------------

Am i right  

You want me to remind you of posts you made a few posts up on the same thread?

You said "Post about MAGA" when you should have said "comment". "Post" could mean a separate post anywhere that i had previously made.it was vague. Hence i asked you to be more specific

It's not a case of reminding, its a case of reference ,you gave non, to a vague and open ended statement

Like Say "that tree" in the forrest


Any way Was i right ??

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

You want me to remind you of posts you made a few posts up on the same thread?

You said "Post about MAGA" when you should have said "comment". "Post" could mean a separate post anywhere that i had previously made.it was vague. Hence i asked you to be more specific

It's not a case of reminding, its a case of reference ,you gave non, to a vague and open ended statement

Like Say "that tree" in the forrest


Any way Was i right  ??

Google the libertarian party and inform yourself. See how their policies differ from the MAGA crowd.

Or you could see where Trump lies on the matrix you posted on this thread too. See where he lies on the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis.

Maddog wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

It's just like communism, in the way I described.  There is a branch of liberalism that goes toward politics disappearing altogether.  It's the part of liberalism that wants to give/leave power, to the maximum extent, to self-rule.  It motivated anarchy, libertarianism and Marx.  See, Wolin, Sheldon, Politics and Vision: Continuity and Innovation in Western Political Thought (1960).

Do you ever just shut the fuck up?

Do I upset you because you don't understand libertarianism, or because you can't read?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
You said "Post about MAGA" when you should have said "comment". "Post" could mean a separate post anywhere that i had previously made.it was vague. Hence i asked you to be more specific

It's not a case of reminding, its a case of reference ,you gave non, to a vague and open ended statement

Like Say "that tree" in the forrest


Any way Was i right  ??

Google the libertarian party and inform yourself. See how their policies differ from the MAGA crowd.

Or you could see where Trump lies on the matrix you posted on this thread too. See where he lies on the Authoritarian/Libertarian axis.  

Thank you for your most excellent advice.SO it's indeed fortunate that before i made the "comment" i did just that ,and why i made the comparison

Er....."could see where Trump lies on the matrix you posted on this thread"??

How would i do that exactly ?

Has he filled in the Questioner or perhaps posted his results on line

And No i cant fill it in for him based on my perspective of him ,
that's not really how it works,Because i am Bias i cant deny that so any answering for him would inject my bias in to the answers , unconscious or not.

Korben wrote:Er....."could see where Trump lies on the matrix you posted on this thread"??

How would i do that exactly ?

Has he filled in the Questioner or perhaps posted his results on line

And No i cant fill it in for him based on my perspective of him ,
that's not really how it works,Because i am Bias i cant deny that so any answering for him would inject my bias in to the answers , unconscious or not.

I just spent 4 seconds during lunch searching on my phone.

Anything else I can do for you?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:Er....."could see where Trump lies on the matrix you posted on this thread"??

How would i do that exactly ?

Has he filled in the Questioner or perhaps posted his results on line

And No i cant fill it in for him based on my perspective of him ,
that's not really how it works,Because i am Bias i cant deny that so any answering for him would inject my bias in to the answers , unconscious or not.

I just spent 4 seconds during lunch searching on my phone.  

Anything else I can do for you?

Well yes Actually you could try harder

The picture (BigBIG picture ) is what ? ...honestly EH!!!

i am not sure you followed my previous answer out through to a Logical conclusion in a "wider sense or applied the caviats
i made against me filling in for somebody i barely know than from the media

OK
your Picture is "irreverent and only goes to prove MY point and why its not helpfull
this is NOT trumps score this is somebody's eles's view  of him

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:




I just spent 4 seconds during lunch searching on my phone.  

Anything else I can do for you?

Well yes Actually you could try harder

The picture (BigBIG picture ) is what ? ...honestly EH!!!

i am not sure you followed my previous answer out through to a Logical conclusion in a "wider seance or applied the caviats
i made against me filling in for somebody i barely know

OK
your Picture is "irreverent and only goes to prove MY point and why its not helpfull
this is NOT trumps score this is somebody's eles's view  of him

I'm irreverent, what can I say.

But the picture is based on policies and comments. It's close enough and was easily found.

That, and anyone with a smattering of knowledge knows the difference between Trump and Libertarians. Only the ignorant or willfully obtuse don't.

" No now lets not be silly and try and make it personal MD ,after all i Quite like you i just don't agree with you.

As you well know i did not say "you" are irreverent Nore do i think so and find that rather wounding

what i said was "your Picture is "irreverent "

What i pointed out in my original answer, Was(and this is the important bit) that filling out any test like this for somebody else is Pointless,and the data is irreverent

Even the picture includes a "disclaimer"

Now what i would personally think with absolutely 100% bias
that if trump took this test (if he could understand the questions in the first place )

would be like catching a fly in a hurricane

he would be all over the map depending who has his ear and who strokes is ego the most in any given hour

He is the most successful con man of all time


                                                  (how one man's stupidity an ignorance almost destroyed America)

its gona break all records when its written

They could be a whole series

Episode IV: A New Hope (Obama_            
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back ((tump)
Return of the Democrats(Biden__
Episode I: The Phantom Menace (Regan)
Episode II: Attack of the Clones (bush jr )
Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (Bush Snr)

Carter and Clinton could be spin of's

Korben wrote: " No now lets not be silly and try and make it personal MD ,after all i Quite like you i just don't agree with you.

As you well know i did not say "you" are irreverent Nore do i think so and find that rather wounding

what i said was "your Picture is "irreverent "

What i pointed out in my original answer, Was(and this is the important bit) that filling out any test like this for somebody else is Pointless,and the data is irreverent

Even the picture includes a "disclaimer"

Yeah, every single notable person placed on the scale is done based on that disclaimer. Ghandi is placed near you, even though he was dead decades before it was designed.

In any event, libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism. So to suggest that libertarians are part of the MAGA crowd is either silly willfully obtuse.

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote: " No now lets not be silly and try and make it personal MD ,after all i Quite like you i just don't agree with you.

As you well know i did not say "you" are irreverent Nore do i think so and find that rather wounding

what i said was "your Picture is "irreverent "

What i pointed out in my original answer, Was(and this is the important bit) that filling out any test like this for somebody else is Pointless,and the data is irreverent

Even the picture includes a "disclaimer"

Yeah, every single notable person placed on the scale is done based on that disclaimer.  Ghandi is placed near you, even though he was dead decades before it was designed.  

In any event, libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism. So to suggest that libertarians are part of the MAGA crowd is either silly wilfully obtuse.  

But Unless they placed them self on the scale, it is useless as data ,because the answers are biased ,the person filling it in makes it so .
so at best its a guess

But as a said it all depends one who has his ear or is stroking his ego at the time
fly meet >>> Hurricane

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote: " No now lets not be silly and try and make it personal MD ,after all i Quite like you i just don't agree with you.

As you well know i did not say "you" are irreverent Nore do i think so and find that rather wounding

what i said was "your Picture is "irreverent "

What i pointed out in my original answer, Was(and this is the important bit) that filling out any test like this for somebody else is Pointless,and the data is irreverent

Even the picture includes a "disclaimer"

In any event, libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism. So to suggest that libertarians are part of the MAGA crowd is either silly willfully obtuse.  

Yes they are and they are philosophys in the middle

Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some of them diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems

Sounds like a Maga nut to me
and why not go the whole hog not libertarianism to authoritarianism but anarchy to dictatorship

Libertarianism just free up the land for the gangsta's to take over.  Libertarians are really the gangsta's in disguise.

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:


In any event, libertarianism is the opposite of authoritarianism. So to suggest that libertarians are part of the MAGA crowd is either silly willfully obtuse.  

Yes they are and they are philosophys in the middle

Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some of them diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems

Sounds like a Maga nut to me
and why not go the whole hog not libertarianism to authoritarianism but anarchy to dictatorship

MAGA folks love authority of the Orange One.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
Yes they are and they are philosophys in the middle

Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some of them diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems

Sounds like a Maga nut to me
and why not go the whole hog not libertarianism to authoritarianism but anarchy to dictatorship

MAGA folks love authority of the Orange One.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

because they believe(rightly or wrongly) he will bring them closer to 'libertarianism' ideals(as they perceive them)

this is the problem with libertarianism generally, it doesn't actually stand for anything concrete (So there is no real cohesion between it's followers around end goals)
it just stands for individualism but the reality of that means something different to each individual

Libertarians seem to not posses any of the other attributes when it conflicts with their personal individualism.
they don't support the political freedom of those that want to establish basic social structures like public health care.
they don't accept those people's freedom to associate freely and voluntarily to work towards making 'state funded' health care a responsibility of State power..
just as an example

but they expect those same people to still contribute towards whatever situation benefits that Libertarian personally

Maddog wrote:

Korben wrote:
Yes they are and they are philosophys in the middle

Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Libertarians share a skepticism of authority and state power, but some of them diverge on the scope of their opposition to existing economic and political systems

Sounds like a Maga nut to me
and why not go the whole hog not libertarianism to authoritarianism but anarchy to dictatorship

MAGA folks love authority of the Orange One.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Seriously they love there own authority they love there Cult leader thats not the same as loving authority that's devotion
And they only like authority when its in there favour when its supporting what they want any other time they couldn't care less about the authority of the government or the police that why police died at the capitol that why you have ass wipes like the Cliven Bundy and Militias ready to over throw the government



But now i see we have reached the personal abuse and name calling part of your failed argument

so be it
Love authority hahahahahah you are fucking delusional you thick southern cockwomble

Korben wrote:

Maddog wrote:

MAGA folks love authority of the Orange One.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

Seriously they love there own authority they love there Cult leader thats not the same as loving authority that's devotion
And they only like authority when its in there favour when its supporting what they want any other time they couldn't care less about the authority of the government or the police  that why police died at the capitol that why you have ass wipes like the Cliven Bundy and Militias ready to over throw the government



But now i see we have reached the personal abuse and name calling part of your failed argument

so be it
Love  authority hahahahahah you are fucking delusional you thick southern cockwomble

I simply asked a question.

After reading that mess I have my answer.

veya_victaous wrote:

Maddog wrote:

MAGA folks love authority of the Orange One.

Are you really this fucking stupid?

because they believe(rightly or wrongly) he will bring them closer to 'libertarianism' ideals(as they perceive them)

this is the problem with libertarianism generally, it doesn't actually stand for anything concrete (So there is no real cohesion between it's followers around end goals)
it just stands for individualism but the reality of that means something different to each individual

Libertarians seem to not posses any of the other attributes when it conflicts with their personal individualism.
they don't support the political freedom of those that want to establish basic social structures like public health care.
they don't accept those people's freedom to associate freely and voluntarily to work towards making 'state funded' health care a responsibility of State power..
just as an example

but they expect those same people to still contribute towards whatever situation benefits that Libertarian personally

Libertarians support almost anything that's voluntary. It's a tenet of the party.  

Google voluntaryism.

You seem to be as confused as Korben in regards to the polar opposite positions of Libertarians and authoritarians.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

As a term, voluntaryism was coined in this usage by Auberon Herbert in the 19th century and gained renewed use since the late 20th century, especially within libertarianism in the United States.

Voluntaryist principal beliefs stem from the principles of self-ownership and non-aggression.




Above posted for the ill-informed.