Trump. So true.

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

Brilliant, Brutus!

And alas...Democrats being snowflakes, they will never prosecute after Trump is out of office, despite his many open crimes. The only hope is that the State of New York will go after him.

One has only to remember what Obama said about Cheney...I want to look forward, not backward! If we said that about every criminal that we encountered, there would be no law and order.

It's the one flaw that Democrats have. They forgive, and thus plant the seeds for the next Republican tyranny.

Spot on.

I personally never thought I would end up wishing for W to be back yet here we are.

How do Brits feel about Xi Jinping?

Y'all good?

seems strange that he is guaranteed the 2020 win,

in two different polls he has shown over 30% approval in the black community.

everyone knows that the democrats are fucked without the black vote

how has he managed to do that?

check out how loving the dems are


https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1251323026634797058

gelico wrote:

check out how loving the dems are

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1251323026634797058

Meh.  You can't generalize from specifics.

gelico wrote:

check out how loving the dems are


https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1251323026634797058

And I can show you many showing how loving the republicans are.

Does it matter anymore? Nobody, least of all social media platforms, are going to stop the hate from all sides.

Maddog wrote:How do Brits feel about Xi Jinping?

Y'all good?

A sign of how bad a President is, when the only favourable comparison one can find is the leader of a Communist Dictatorship

Eilzel wrote:

Maddog wrote:How do Brits feel about Xi Jinping?

Y'all good?

A sign of how bad a President is, when the only favourable comparison one can find is the leader of a Communist Dictatorship

Yeah, like how do we all feel about Hitler?

Maddog wrote:How do Brits feel about Xi Jinping?

Y'all good?

How do you feel about having to dredge Jinping up to make Trump look good?

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:How do Brits feel about Xi Jinping?

Y'all good?

How do you feel about having to dredge Jinping up to make Trump look good?

i'm not trying to make anyone look good.

I just wonder why Brits would be far more worried about Trump than Jinping.

Who's lies will end up killing more Brits?

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:How do Brits feel about Xi Jinping?

Y'all good?

How do you feel about having to dredge Jinping up to make Trump look good?

i'm not trying to make anyone look good.

I just wonder why Brits would be far more worried about Trump than Jinping.

Who's lies will end up killing more Brits?  

This is a humorist weighing in on the leader of the cousins across the pond, right?

Not an objective assessment of which world leader worries Brits the most.

Ben Reilly wrote:

Maddog wrote:

i'm not trying to make anyone look good.

I just wonder why Brits would be far more worried about Trump than Jinping.

Who's lies will end up killing more Brits?  

This is a humorist weighing in on the leader of the cousins across the pond, right?

Not an objective assessment of which world leader worries Brits the most.

I don't know what it is.

I didn't realize the guy was a humorist.

Maybe the humor got lost in translation?

Maybe humor isn't for everyone.

Maybe certain topics trigger certain people to the point that they aren't in the mood for certain types of humor.

Ben Reilly wrote:Maybe humor isn't for everyone.

Maybe certain topics trigger certain people to the point that they aren't in the mood for certain types of humor.

This is funny. When Brits constantly worry about American leaders is just weird.

Maddog wrote:

Ben Reilly wrote:

How do you feel about having to dredge Jinping up to make Trump look good?

i'm not trying to make anyone look good.

I just wonder why Brits would be far more worried about Trump than Jinping.

Who's lies will end up killing more Brits?  

Donnie de Dum Dum's...

By a country mile..

And Trumps lies have already killed more Americans than those mad Saudis did back on 9/11.

And a few more to come..

Trump already has more American deaths (outside of wars..) on his record, then many of his predecessors.

gelico wrote:

check out how loving the dems are


https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1251323026634797058

That is only an anonymous Twatter feed...

Not a reputable news source..

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:

check out how loving the dems are

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1251323026634797058

Meh.  You can't generalize from specifics.

And like former Oz PM John Howard said back in the 1990s, and US Prez's Ford and Carter even earlier, back in the 1970s...

The only poll that counts is the one on election day..

Cass wrote:

gelico wrote:

check out how loving the dems are


https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1251323026634797058

And I can show you many showing how loving the republicans are.

Does it matter anymore? Nobody, least of all social media platforms, are going to stop the hate from all sides.

I'm being honest cass, i'm only seeing it from the left. if you can show the republicans behaving like this then can you post it. Yes, it really does matter. if people think it doesn't matter anymore it will continue


here is a video of a beautiful young black american woman telling how she is abused, threatened etc for being conservative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjICXBVAz3s

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:

check out how loving the dems are

https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1251323026634797058

Meh.  You can't generalize from specifics.

you can when there's enough of 'em

this bloke seems intelligent enough to make up his own mind


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLlQ2QeURAw

and no one addressed my question


if DT is that bad that he's considered only marginally better then Hitler, why and how is he getting so much support? especially within the black community?


any ideas

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Meh.  You can't generalize from specifics.

you can when there's enough of 'em

You've only offered one--some asshole in a MAGA hat.  If you're going to do survey research, you've got to go out and collect data.

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:

you can when there's enough of 'em

You've only offered one--some asshole in a MAGA hat.  If you're going to do survey research, you've got to go out and collect data.

did you listen to candace owens?



and still no one can actually answer my question


thought it would have been easier for you all

and Vernon Jones, the lifelong democrat who is supporting Trump,,,,



surely there must be a reason why so many black people are turning to Trump



any ideas?

HE got a lot out of poverty and gave them jobs ?

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

You've only offered one--some asshole in a MAGA hat.  If you're going to do survey research, you've got to go out and collect data.

did you listen to candace owens?

Candace Owens?  Another specific?  You can't generalize from specifics.

In this country there are 360-million people...all of them have opinions.  And, certainly Dickless Don has his. But, we cant take the word of two individuals and pretend they are a generality. Ludicrous.

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:


did you listen to candace owens?

Candace Owens?  Another specific?  You can't generalize from specifics.

In this country there are 360-million people...all of them have opinions.  And, certainly Dickless Don has his. But, we cant take the word of two individuals and pretend they are a generality.  Ludicrous.

surely there must be a reason why so many black people are turning to Trump



any ideas?


you seem hell bent on avoiding answering this

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Candace Owens?  Another specific?  You can't generalize from specifics.

In this country there are 360-million people...all of them have opinions.  And, certainly Dickless Don has his. But, we cant take the word of two individuals and pretend they are a generality.  Ludicrous.

surely there must be a reason why so many black people are turning to Trump

any ideas?

Yes...a single idea comes to mind.  It's not true.

phil wrote:you seem hell bent on avoiding answering this

How the hell did didge get in here?  

simple, you changed my name to didge's.  easily done as you've just shown

probably to deflect from the uncomfortable truth that DT is making masssive inroads into the black vote, which you can't possibly debate on so deflect deflect

you don't wanna acknowledge that?  fine by me

gelico wrote:simple, you changed my name to didge's.  easily done as you've just shown

probably to deflect from the uncomfortable truth that DT is making masssive inroads into the black vote, which you can't possibly debate on so deflect deflect

you don't wanna acknowledge that?  fine by me

Well, I did it to emphasize how much you sound like didge. If you want cross-examination, go watch Law and Order.

As I was not involved in your previous discussion, I don't know what your question is. Nor do I know if I'm for or against the other side. I simply wasn't there, so your question wasn't put to me.

When I entered the discussion, you were touting a single person's opinion as a generalization. I merely pointed out that you can't generalize from specifics. You can hypothesize, or agree with it, or argue the point, or stick it in your knickers and play with it...you just can't present it as a universality. You need quantitative substantiation in order to generalize.

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:simple, you changed my name to didge's.  easily done as you've just shown

probably to deflect from the uncomfortable truth that DT is making masssive inroads into the black vote, which you can't possibly debate on so deflect deflect

you don't wanna acknowledge that?  fine by me

As I was not involved in your previous discussion, I don't know what your question is.  Nor do I know if I'm for or against the other side.  I simply wasn't there, so your question wasn't put to me.

of course you knew what my question was,,,,
surely there must be a reason why so many black people are turning to Trump
any ideas?

and you answered the question by saying
Yes...a single idea comes to mind. It's not true.

and like i said, if you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening, then i understand. after all that's far more comfortable than having to reflect on why it's happening

it's ok, relax, dude

i get it

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

As I was not involved in your previous discussion, I don't know what your question is.  Nor do I know if I'm for or against the other side.  I simply wasn't there, so your question wasn't put to me.

of course you knew what my question was,,,,
surely there must be a reason why so many black people are turning to Trump
any ideas?

and you answered the question by saying
Yes...a single idea comes to mind.  It's not true.

and like i said, if you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening, then i understand.  after all that's far more comfortable than having to reflect on why it's happening

it's ok, relax, dude

i get it

Oh, another question? The didge algorithm.

Well, that case was just an extension of my point: you can't generalize from specifics. You get one black man, and he has an opinion, so you jump to the conclusion that all black men have that same opinion. You can see how ludicrous that is.

Original Quill wrote:

gelico wrote:


of course you knew what my question was,,,,
surely there must be a reason why so many black people are turning to Trump
any ideas?

and you answered the question by saying
Yes...a single idea comes to mind.  It's not true.

and like i said, if you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening, then i understand.  after all that's far more comfortable than having to reflect on why it's happening

it's ok, relax, dude

i get it

Oh, another question?  The didge algorithm.

Well, that case was just an extension of my point: you can't generalize from specifics.  You get one black man, and he has an opinion, so you jump to the conclusion that all black men have that same opinion.  You can see how ludicrous that is.

no quill, there was only ever the one question asked repeatedly; i know that you're aware of that so stop behaving like a pratt

ok fine

ignore the many online accounts
ignore the polls
ignore the masses of black people attending trump rallys before the virus

ignore it all

stick your head in the sand or up your arse, wherever it feels safe just so that you don't have to acknowledge what's happening

we're done now

go back to your safe bubble wherein everyone hates trump

incidentally, and i can't let this one go

y'all want to get rid of trump? seriously? and you offer what? Joe Biden


oh my fucking aching sides

incidentally, and i can't let this one go

y'all want to get rid of trump? seriously? and you offer what? Joe Biden


oh my fucking aching sides

gelico wrote:

Cass wrote:

And I can show you many showing how loving the republicans are.

Does it matter anymore? Nobody, least of all social media platforms, are going to stop the hate from all sides.

I'm being honest cass, i'm only seeing it from the left.  if you can show the republicans behaving like this then can you post it.  Yes, it really does matter.  if people think it doesn't matter anymore it will continue


here is a video of a beautiful young black american woman telling how she is abused, threatened etc for being conservative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjICXBVAz3s

Please look at the Twitter feeds of Rush Limbaugh, Laura Ingram, DT, Judge Jeanie to name a few, or just go the Facebook page of Fox News and read any of the comments.

I’m not denying that hate is coming from the left. It’s coming from BOTH sides.

It doesn’t matter anymore because the only solution is to burn the internet down. The vast majority of People cannot and will not take personal responsibility for their words.

Here is an article about your question. https://www.blackenterprise.com/trumps-approval-rating-with-black-voters-may-be-higher-than-you-thought/

I do think the headline is misleading though.

In the second paragraph it says 14% approval rating. I don’t think that’s high at all. Even further down when talking about another poll it’s only 24% for men and 6% for women. Again those are not good numbers.

Gotta go. Got online book club in a bit.

Have a good day and hope your dad is ok.

gelico wrote:

incidentally, and i can't let this one go

y'all want to get rid of trump?  seriously?  and you offer what?  Joe Biden


oh my fucking aching sides

Well, I want Justin Amash.

I will not get what I want though.

gelico wrote:

Original Quill wrote:

Oh, another question?  The didge algorithm.

Well, that case was just an extension of my point: you can't generalize from specifics.  You get one black man, and he has an opinion, so you jump to the conclusion that all black men have that same opinion.  You can see how ludicrous that is.

no quill, there was only ever the one question asked repeatedly;  i know that you're aware of that so stop behaving like a pratt

ok fine

ignore the many online accounts
ignore the polls
ignore the masses of black people attending trump rallys before the virus

ignore it all

stick your head in the sand or up your arse, wherever it feels safe just so that you don't have to acknowledge what's happening

we're done now

go back to your safe bubble wherein everyone hates trump

"Run, Red, run, cause he's got a gun..." --The Coasters