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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:30 pm

From the horses mouth folks

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:51 pm

F off

It’s NOT allowed

People like you just want it to be true

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:54 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_law


In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]

Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.

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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:16 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:F off

It’s NOT allowed

People like you just want it to be true

Did you read the article??

Muhhamad himself raped captured slaves

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Post by nicko on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:39 pm

Isis raped hundreds of Yazids ? Isis were Muslims weren't they ?
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Post by Guest on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:42 pm

nicko wrote:Isis raped hundreds of Yazids ? Isis were Muslims weren't they ?

Yes ISIS were Muslims

Exclusively Muslims, and they based their caliphate on Islamic doctrine

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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:48 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_law


In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]

Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.

What about marital rape? Which, it seems, is not recognised by certain Islamic clerics.
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Post by Syl on Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:30 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_law


In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]

Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.

What about marital rape?   Which, it seems, is not recognised by certain Islamic clerics.

Marital rape wasn't even recognised by British law till 1991.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:24 pm

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

What about marital rape?   Which, it seems, is not recognised by certain Islamic clerics.

Marital rape wasn't even recognised by British law till 1991.  

I know. Women have had to fight and fight for their rights to be treated like a human being. I can't understand why it's still deemed ok by certain people.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:27 pm

Ghana, India, Indonesia, Jordan, Lesotho, Nigeria, Oman, Singapore, Sri Lanka and Tanzania, marital rape is legal. In four of these countries, it's permitted even when the victim is a child.

However, these are the countries in which spousal rape is expressly allowed by law - many more countries have legislation that does not cover marital rape and considers sex within marriage consensual by definition, and thus they do not punish it as a criminal offence.

These include India, China, 13 African countries and all Middle Eastern countries apart from Qatar and Israel.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/98330/when-did-marital-rape-become-a-crime
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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:07 pm

nicko wrote:Isis raped hundreds of Yazids ? Isis were Muslims weren't they ?

as was the policy of all the abrahamic religions ... it doesn't count if victims are not of the right religion Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

also Syl points out even the British accepted marital rape until the 1990's, it is not so far removed from our own cultures as we like to tell ourselves Neutral

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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:10 am

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:Isis raped hundreds of Yazids ? Isis were Muslims weren't they ?

as was the policy of all the abrahamic religions ... it doesn't count if victims are not of the right religion Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

also Syl points out even the British accepted marital rape until the 1990's, it is not so far removed from our own cultures as we like to tell ourselves Neutral

Because jews and Christians have a problem with mad dog theocratic armies raping hundreds of innocent women

I love how you ISIS apologists are so desperate to defend your beloved death cult that the only defence you have to point at a time 1000 years in the past and say "the Christians did it too"

Fucking pathetic

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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:18 am

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:Isis raped hundreds of Yazids ? Isis were Muslims weren't they ?

as was the policy of all the abrahamic religions ... it doesn't count if victims are not of the right religion Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

also Syl points out even the British accepted marital rape until the 1990's, it is not so far removed from our own cultures as we like to tell ourselves Neutral


Indeed and lets face it. There is little to seperate The Catholic/Christian Church Denominations and ISIS when it comes to child rape. Other than in the Catholic Church its global

ISIS brag about their barbarity raping children and the Catholic Church cover up their child rapists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/25/report-details-sexual-abuse-german-catholic-church

https://religionmediacentre.org.uk/factsheets/sex-abuse-in-christian-churches-in-the-uk/

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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:33 am

Oh look

Another thread turned into the "I'm didge give me attention" show

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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:37 am

Syl wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

What about marital rape?   Which, it seems, is not recognised by certain Islamic clerics.

Marital rape wasn't even recognised by British law till 1991.  


Indeed, that was only 28 years ago, within living memory

The sad reality is many victims of all kinds of rape rarely see justice

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Post by Syl on Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:12 pm

Thor wrote:
Syl wrote:

Marital rape wasn't even recognised by British law till 1991.  


Indeed, that was only 28 years ago, within living memory

The sad reality is many victims of all kinds of rape rarely see justice

I read a report recently that stated that there is still a good % of people in the UK who dont believe rape is illegal when done within marriage.
If that's true, equality for women is a lot less advanced than we may believe.

Not the point of the thread I know, but worth a mention in light of how the thread veered a bit.

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Post by Guest on Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:33 pm

Syl wrote:
Thor wrote:


Indeed, that was only 28 years ago, within living memory

The sad reality is many victims of all kinds of rape rarely see justice

I read a report recently that stated that there is still a good % of people in the UK who dont believe rape is illegal when done within marriage.
If that's true, equality for women is a lot less advanced than we may believe.

Not the point of the thread I know, but worth a mention in light of how the thread veered a bit.


It would not surprise me in the least that a number of people do not believe its illegal including many of the victims of marital rape

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:44 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:Isis raped hundreds of Yazids ? Isis were Muslims weren't they ?

as was the policy of all the abrahamic religions ... it doesn't count if victims are not of the right religion Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

also Syl points out even the British accepted marital rape until the 1990's, it is not so far removed from our own cultures as we like to tell ourselves Neutral

Because jews and Christians have a problem with mad dog theocratic armies raping hundreds of innocent women

I love how you ISIS apologists are so desperate to defend your beloved death cult that the only defence you have to point at a time 1000 years in the past and say "the Christians did it too"

Fucking pathetic

lol
a thousand years try 150 years.
Your rapist death cult is no better.
People like you'd be doing the same if we let you, It's only that Christians are already under the thumb of secularists, that forces them to behave. they never did prior to that.
The Evils of Abrahamism were so heavily ingrained Secularist only managed to Criminalize Marital rape less than 30 years ago in the UK.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:47 am

The Christianophobes are out in force these days.

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:00 am

Raggamuffin wrote:The Christianophobes are out in force these days.


Abrahamophobes   Cool Cool Cool

All I do is point out the truth, they're all the same really...
Just a institutions built around a fraudulent fairy-tales that some people don't have the mental capacity to accept are not real.

Anti Democratic, Anti secular and Anti Equality
Why Should Modern Secular Societies accept these groups at all?

how can we expect those in places like the middle east to evolve when members of our on societies refuse to Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:06 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:The Christianophobes are out in force these days.


Abrahamophobes   Cool Cool Cool

All I do is point out the truth, they're all the same really...
Just a institutions built around a fraudulent fairy-tales that some people don't have the mental capacity to accept are not real.

Anti Democratic, Anti secular and Anti Equality
Why Should Modern Secular Societies accept these groups at all?

how can we expect those in places like the middle east to evolve when members of our on societies refuse to Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Do you suggest people go around killing Muslims, Christians, and Jews - would that make you feel better?

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:22 am

No, We don't have to because we have evolved (but it would be quicker and easier scratch )

we just need to pass some sensible laws

first they are taxed as entertainment like any one else in the business of selling fictional stories.

2nd we make it so we stop teaching lies in schools, make it clear in History or literature classes where Bible/Quran may be presented that these are books of fiction that are proven false, but it is the fables of less developed societies that preceded ours.

Literally all we'd have to do it treat their institutions like anyone else and they'd crumble.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:26 am

veya_victaous wrote:No, We don't have to because we have evolved (but it would be quicker and easier scratch )

we just need to pass some sensible laws

first they are taxed as entertainment like any one else in the business of selling fictional stories.

2nd we make it so we stop teaching lies in schools, make it clear in History or literature classes where Bible/Quran may be presented that these are books of fiction that are proven false, but it is the fables of less developed societies that preceded ours.

Literally all we'd have to do it treat their institutions like anyone else and they'd crumble.

Who exactly are you going to tax?

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:04 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
nicko wrote:Isis raped hundreds of Yazids ? Isis were Muslims weren't they ?

Yes ISIS were Muslims

Exclusively Muslims, and they based their caliphate on Islamic doctrine

Oh fuck off

They are as much Muslims as you are.

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:06 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Islamic_law


In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]

Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.

What about marital rape?   Which, it seems, is not recognised by certain Islamic clerics.

Marital Rape

Is Rape.

No ifs or buts.

There is no compulsion in Islam.

You cannot force someone to do something they don’t want to do.

That’s a fundenental principle Islam is based on.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:15 pm

remove the council tax exemption from all houses of worship
remove the VAT exemptions enjoyed by religious organisations
remove the favourable tax rules for ministers of religion
and finally remove the charitable status of religious organisations, such that ONLY their defined charities remain as charities.....


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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:30 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

What about marital rape?   Which, it seems, is not recognised by certain Islamic clerics.

Marital Rape

Is Rape.

No ifs or buts.

There is no compulsion in Islam.

You cannot force someone to do something they don’t want to do.

That’s a fundenental principle Islam is based on.

And yet there are Muslim clerics saying the complete opposite, and these men have a lot of power and persuasion over a lot of people. If, as you say, it is defined as rape within Islam, why aren't these men stripped of their position in the mosque and booted out?
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:29 pm

Lord Foul wrote:remove the council tax exemption from all houses of worship
remove the VAT exemptions enjoyed by religious organisations
remove the favourable tax rules for ministers of religion
and finally remove the charitable status of religious organisations, such that ONLY their defined charities remain as charities.....


There's a great deal of sense in what you say, LF. The underlying problem is that the Monarch is also (by "divine right") the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and that means that constitutionally Anglicanism is the de facto State religion - whether individuals choose to follow it or not.

And because we now live in an "inclusive" society governed by laws that include the inalienable human right of "freedom of religion or faith", any legally-binding concessions and/or rights that are conferred on the CoE must also be applicable to other similarly protected religions.

It's tempting to agree that in order to qualify for favourable tax rules for "charitable" organisations, activities should be able to meet certain standards deemed to be beneficial to all...but, to offer just one example, how should one regard the unique and irreplaceable benefits and importance of our national history and culture of buildings such as St Paul's, Westminster Abbey, Ely Cathedral or our older and historic mosques, Wesleyan chapels or Quaker Moot Halls?

Should they be denied VAT concessions when a roof collapses and is in need of repair?

Should they be able to claim 20 per cent HMRC "gift aid" relief to fund a major restoration project?

Bloody difficult one, in my book..............

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:34 pm

yup fred. but I'd disallow the tax breaks for the CoE as well

as for protecting historic and important buildings, that could easily constitute a "defined charity"

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:37 pm

and I'd sooner those buildings and treasures stay in the possession of those organisations to which they belong, be it crown church or whatever rather than being taken "for the people by a greedy and rapacious govt, Especially since corbyn and his greedy Bollinger socialist buddies would sell them all of in the name of the politics of envy the people.....

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:51 pm

It wouldn't make a difference to people's faith anyway - faith doesn't depend on having a building to go to.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:53 pm

what we could do is this

prayer is undertaken in order to get some sort of benefit, either now or in the afterlife

and clearly the person praying expects (if they realy have faith) that their prayers will be answered

so we can therfore assume that for THAT person they DO get the benefit of their prayers (since not to do so would challenge their faith and this clearly is not allowed)

clearly this is not a "tangible benefit" but non the less it is a "benefit in kind"

therfore worshipers should be taxed for the time spent praying,

we could call this pay as you pray or PAYP......this could be paid via PAYP-AL

ALSO, since it may safely be assumed that MOST prayers are in the form of plea bargaining for some sin or other and further we may assume that the longer spent praying the worse the sin....
the tax levied should reflect this and therefore I propose that the first 2 mins are allowed free, the next two mins are at a rate of 10p per min the next 2 at 20p per min and any subsequent mins at £1.


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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:54 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It wouldn't make a difference to people's faith anyway - faith doesn't depend on having a building to go to.

true but it WOULD lead to a gradual decline AND raise some serious revenue which we could do with. The council tax raised alone would enable hard pressed councils to reverse cuts to important social provision, forced upon them by central govt cuts, and of course at the same time "the faithful" who would have to dig a bit deeper into their pockets to support their holy building could go home with the satisfied knowledge that finally they are contributing something of value to the poor....surely the epitome of holiness...

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:00 pm

Lord Foul wrote:yup fred. but I'd disallow the tax breaks for the CoE as well

as for protecting historic and important buildings, that could easily constitute a "defined charity"

I would hope so, LF. I attended a funeral today at a little village church in rural England. It was absolutely beautiful, and the the architecture and stained glass windows would be irreplaceable.

But its lady Vicar (with a Master's in Theology, something that I've never encountered before) is trying desperately to raise £150,000 to stop the place falling down).

I added my "old git's mite"...but the lady has a hell of a long way to go.
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Post by Victorismyhero on Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:06 pm

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:yup fred. but I'd disallow the tax breaks for the CoE as well

as for protecting historic and important buildings, that could easily constitute a "defined charity"

I would hope so, LF. I attended a funeral today at a little village church in rural England. It was absolutely beautiful, and the the architecture and stained glass windows would be irreplaceable.

But its lady Vicar (with a Master's in Theology, something that I've never encountered before) is trying desperately to raise £150,000 to stop the place falling down).

I added my "old git's mite"...but the lady has a hell of a long way to go.

Well Fred, as you know I'm considered anything from right of Hitler to left of stalin (most confusing Rape in Islam is allowed by the qur'an 265384880 ) and in fiscal policy I admit I'm a bit lefty, BUT I hope I have the sense to know when govt could and SHOULD intervene as opposed to when it could but either should not or must not so do.


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Post by Guest on Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:37 pm

Get an invester to buy the church, restore and turn into flats

Most churches have such low attendance its a mockery they are still being used for worship in many cases. Those that cannot afford to run themselves should be sold, to make way for people who need a roof over their heads.

If the Church of England had an ounce of deceny. It would sell off its land holdings, for houses to be built on and Churchs with such low attendance. Its one of the biggest land owners in this country. Its time they realized people are not interested in going to church anymore and they need to start putting people before their own god

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Mar 12, 2019 7:44 pm

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:01 am

Of course the church that needs the money should have some business saavy like the one we have in Ashford Town centre..
They hold many concerts from groups to classical in the Church

http://ashfordsheritage.uk/heritage-assets/central-ashford/the-church-yard/

I used to live in the Churchyard, wonderful place in the heart of Ashford and its quite beautiful

My point is, why do people need a church in the first place to say mass?

Why not use community centres, which are then muti-purpose

Many of these buildings for the best part of the week are simple empty and not used

Its criminal, when they could be used for a multitude of purposes

I can understand in small villages, how this may mean to the 3 or 4 parishners that still attend, but these churchs, have to move into the 21st century

In big towns and cities, they need to close many that have low attendance and sell them for development. Then parishners, have to go to one within a 2 mile radius. Which then means higher attendance

Of course these churches have to adpat and hold other functions within them. Yet many hold some really dumb belief that they cannot based upon some really even more stupid concept of Holy ground.

Babble, its just a building. Which if they used their heads, could use for classes, events, concerts etc to then have revenue coming in.

The reality is the Church of England needs to start selling off countless land it certainly does not use. Sell off churchs with little to no attendance in towns and cities. The rest need to open their doors to make them multipurpose

And even more they should open their doors to the homeless to sleep at night.

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:43 am

HoratioTarr wrote:
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Marital Rape

Is Rape.

No ifs or buts.

There is no compulsion in Islam.

You cannot force someone to do something they don’t want to do.

That’s a fundenental principle Islam is based on.

And yet there are Muslim clerics saying the complete opposite, and these men have a lot of power and persuasion over a lot of people.   If, as you say,  it is defined as rape within Islam, why aren't these men stripped of their position in the mosque and booted out?

Hitler had a lot of power of persuasion too, it didn’t make him right though did it?

What I’m trying to say if you want to listen to BS it’s up to you.  Knowledge is power and in the Quran it’s mentioned time and time again to seek knowledge and not rely on others.

People will always try and convince you to their way of thinking. That isn’t soley reserved to Islamic clerics.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:07 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

And yet there are Muslim clerics saying the complete opposite, and these men have a lot of power and persuasion over a lot of people.   If, as you say,  it is defined as rape within Islam, why aren't these men stripped of their position in the mosque and booted out?

Hitler had a lot of power of persuasion too, it didn’t make him right though did it?

What I’m trying to say if you want to listen to BS it’s up to you.  Knowledge is power and in the Quran it’s mentioned time and time again to seek knowledge and not rely on others.

People will always try and convince you to their way of thinking. That isn’t soley reserved to Islamic clerics.

I'm not attacking Islam or you. Or your beliefs. But those who take up the mantle of power in the name of Allah/God. That's what I can't stand about religion. It's rather silly comparing current Imams to Hitler. In this day and age, and if you're ideology is that of most Muslims, then why are they still tolerated?
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Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:14 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Hitler had a lot of power of persuasion too, it didn’t make him right though did it?

What I’m trying to say if you want to listen to BS it’s up to you.  Knowledge is power and in the Quran it’s mentioned time and time again to seek knowledge and not rely on others.

People will always try and convince you to their way of thinking. That isn’t soley reserved to Islamic clerics.

I'm not attacking Islam or you.   Or your beliefs.  But those who take up the mantle of power in the name of Allah/God.   That's what I can't stand about religion.   It's rather silly comparing current Imams to Hitler.   In this day and age, and if you're ideology is that of most Muslims, then why are they still tolerated?

I know you weren’t attacking Islam.

The answer to your question is I don’t know. I don’t know why people listen to crap and believe it.

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:22 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

What about marital rape?   Which, it seems, is not recognised by certain Islamic clerics.

Marital Rape

Is Rape.

No ifs or buts.

There is no compulsion in Islam.

You cannot force someone to do something they don’t want to do.

That’s a fundenental principle Islam is based on.

you can force someone to do what they dont want

its called the sword of allah

in case you missed it mama but the Muslims of ISIS have been wielding the sowrd of allah for the last half decade

muhhamd also raped women he captured,in fact he once attacked a tribe in the desert,tortured and murdered the head honcho over a pile of loot and then "married" his widow the same night

and whn i say married , i mean he raped the shit out of her.

the qur'an also condones slavery and raping slaves

sura 33:50

"O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you"

the qur'an confirms exactly what thenutter in the OP is saying - that raping slaves is legal

let me ask you this, of all the Muslims in ISIS why did NONE of them step up and stop the raping of yazidis?? or indeed stop slavery??

you cant expect me to believe that you out of all the Muslims in ISIS are the only Muslim who knows whats what in islam.

BULLLLLLLLLLLL SHIT!

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:30 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I'm not attacking Islam or you.   Or your beliefs.  But those who take up the mantle of power in the name of Allah/God.   That's what I can't stand about religion.   It's rather silly comparing current Imams to Hitler.   In this day and age, and if you're ideology is that of most Muslims, then why are they still tolerated?

I know you weren’t attacking Islam.

The answer to your question is I don’t know. I don’t know why people listen to crap and believe it.

I'm not referring to people listening to the crap...I'm talking about the Muslim community allowing the crap to be spouted.
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Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:44 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I know you weren’t attacking Islam.

The answer to your question is I don’t know. I don’t know why people listen to crap and believe it.

I'm not referring to people listening to the crap...I'm talking about the Muslim community allowing the crap to be spouted.

This is not said in Mosques.

Utubes is the only platform for them to sprout their rubbish.

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:52 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I'm not referring to people listening to the crap...I'm talking about the Muslim community allowing the crap to be spouted.

This is not said in Mosques.

Utubes is the only platform for them to sprout their rubbish.


No mosques?

Lets have a reality check here

How many Mosques preach this sexy?

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:56 pm

phildidge wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

This is not said in Mosques.

Utubes is the only platform for them to sprout their rubbish.


No mosques?

Lets have a reality check here

How many Mosques preach this sexy?

You been to one?

Reality check here!

You think Imams discuss rape in Mosques??????

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:20 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
phildidge wrote:


No mosques?

Lets have a reality check here

How many Mosques preach this sexy?

You been to one?

Reality check here!

You think Imams discuss rape in Mosques??????

Okay, show me the laws in Islamic countries. That punish as a crime marital rape Sexy?

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:30 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

I know you weren’t attacking Islam.

The answer to your question is I don’t know. I don’t know why people listen to crap and believe it.

I'm not referring to people listening to the crap...I'm talking about the Muslim community allowing the crap to be spouted.

and therein lies the lie

if sexymama is representative of the majority then why have they allowed a minority to hijack their religion.

why are they not demonstrating or protesting this shit??

why is the only time we ever see the Muslim community stirred to action is when they feel their religion is being "attacked" by the outsiders, when i say attacked i mean questioned, critisised or ridiculed.

surely the greatest attack they could suffer would be for their religion to be hijacked and abused to murder innocents??

surely murder is more serious than mockery???

surely Muslims would be doing everything they can to undo the damage done to their religion?? outreach programs, "not in our name" marches, calling for debates to be held in mosques debating the right of everyone to critisise islam, calling for islam to redefine homosexuality as not a sin?? ackowledging the state of isreal???

where are all these so called moderates??

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:35 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

I'm not referring to people listening to the crap...I'm talking about the Muslim community allowing the crap to be spouted.

This is not said in Mosques.

Utubes is the only platform for them to sprout their rubbish.

Didn't you ever see Dispatches, Undercover Mosque?

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Post by Vintage on Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:37 pm

Why is it that even today, so many Egyptian women claim to have been sexually assaulted to one degree or another, they are fair game it seems, even ones wearing the proper clothes. Why are so many supposedly believing men ignoring instructions not to harass, at least the believing women.
Happens everywhere to an extent I know.

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