Religion is it a choice ?

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I think it is a choice
You can either choose to believe in a god/ Supream being or choose not to

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

big bang theory is likely...lol so how did this big bang occur??

Imagine that -- yet another science topic you wish to debate despite knowing nothing about it! The big bang is still happening.

cool you should be able to explain it and demonstrate it, making it even easier for you..

Here's all the explanation you could possibly need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang

Ben_Reilly wrote:Here's all the explanation you could possibly need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang

wiki really so you don't know yourself then, if i show you a site saying that the big bang is rubbish would you believe that..

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:Here's all the explanation you could possibly need:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang

wiki really so you don't know yourself then, if i show you a site saying that the big bang is rubbish would you believe that..

I understand the theory well enough, but there's still a lot to be discovered, if it ever is.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

wiki really so you don't know yourself then, if i show you a site saying that the big bang is rubbish would you believe that..

I understand the theory well enough, but there's still a lot to be discovered, if it ever is.

so if I produce a site that says it is rubbish, do you have to produce another one..

heavenly father wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

I understand the theory well enough, but there's still a lot to be discovered, if it ever is.

so if I produce a site that says it is rubbish, do you have to produce another one..

If the BBT is rubbish, how do you explain the expansion of the universe?

Eilzel wrote:

heavenly father wrote:

so if I produce a site that says it is rubbish, do you have to produce another one..

If the BBT is rubbish, how do you explain the expansion of the universe?

lets start at the beginning what is you take on the big bang theory.

My knowledge of the BBT is limited HF, however Ben has posted a link which explains the process better than I ever could. What came before I don't know.

Eilzel wrote:My knowledge of the BBT is limited HF, however Ben has posted a link which explains the process better than I ever could. What came before I don't know.

this is interesting..

http://www.hangthebankers.com/big-bang-theory-busted-previous-universe-existed/

Penrose does not have a spotless record by any stretch -- he's been known to engage in grand flights of fancy regarding the phenomena made possible by quantum mechanics, for instance.

http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2007/10/26/quantum-consciousness-and-the/

Ben_Reilly wrote:Penrose does not have a spotless record by any stretch -- he's been known to engage in grand flights of fancy regarding the phenomena made possible by quantum mechanics, for instance.

http://scienceblogs.com/principles/2007/10/26/quantum-consciousness-and-the/

does any scientist, keeping in hind it's only the best they have at that time.

In his case, it's not a matter of "I did the research and followed the rules but turned out to be wrong," it's more of an example of shoddy workmanship and wishful thinking.

Ben_Reilly wrote:In his case, it's not a matter of "I did the research and followed the rules but turned out to be wrong," it's more of an example of shoddy workmanship and wishful thinking.

they are only human... :D 

We don’t know enough to be sure of the big bang theory it is highly complex and there is obviously great difficulty in getting the data needed to make accurate analysis. There are still at least 3 hypotheses that vary in the specifics, we have been unable to get the numbers to prove any further thus far....

Evolution is a different Story we are 99.999% sure it is correct there are aspects we are not 100% on yet (like why specific diseases occur etc) but now that we are decoding the genome it is only a matter of time. The fact that we are now investigating (and having some success) methods for manipulating DNA the Core sturcture of Evolution, suggests that we are pretty darn positive it is correct.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

Science is just the religion of the godless

What's makes your belief in the unproven Big Bang theory any less ridiculous than my belief in a spiritual deity

Atheists don't "have faith" in the big bang the way you have faith in your deity, Pigman. If evidence came out that the big bang probably wasn't the way the universe originated, you wouldn't see people like me defending the big bang, telling other people they'd be tortured non-stop for all eternity if they didn't believe in it, etc.

the big bang is a simply a theory of a scientific nature

god,heaven,the spiritual afterlife etc are just theories of a theological nature

you believe in the big bang regardless of there being no evidence that proves it, and you push it forward as your entire argument against the religious point of view

that is identical to a person who believes in a deity, and you are logically no different to those crazy ass creationists

the thing you hate about religion is that unlike your faith in scientific hypothesis, religion and god can never be categorically disproved using science

and i think that is really what upsets you about religion

smelly_bandit wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Atheists don't "have faith" in the big bang the way you have faith in your deity, Pigman. If evidence came out that the big bang probably wasn't the way the universe originated, you wouldn't see people like me defending the big bang, telling other people they'd be tortured non-stop for all eternity if they didn't believe in it, etc.

the big bang is a simply a theory of a scientific nature

god,heaven,the spiritual afterlife etc are just theories of a theological nature

you believe in the big bang regardless of there being no evidence that proves it, and you push it forward as your entire argument against the religious point of view

that is identical to a person who believes in a deity, and you are logically no different to those crazy ass creationists  

the thing you hate about religion is that unlike your faith in scientific hypothesis, religion and god can never be categorically disproved using science

and i think that is really what upsets you about religion  

It is nothing near the same, in fact it is miles apart, the Big bang is a plausible theory for the Universe beginning, where as a deity is born from nothing more than faith, where there is no evidence to support that faith in the first place or any plausible theory behind one. Yes it is impossible to disprove a deity does not exist as only science has not answered all questions but has answered many already.
So the answer is not yet, but someday I think science will disprove that there is no such thing as God and more to the point if your only belief is just in a deity that would be as stated difficult to disprove but many elements of the Bible contradict and clearly are plagiarized from other earlier religions.

The reality is with science theories you can learn and understand about them where as with God, it is always faith and you learn this faith from others or reading religious scriptures, you cannot test anything with regards to faith, but with science you can. Thus your concept is of your faith is thus independent of reason.

So your only argument is that a non religious God one not written about cannot be disproved, but we can with the likes of the biblical one, as you either accept the whole works as the word of God, or you do not!

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

the big bang is a simply a theory of a scientific nature

god,heaven,the spiritual afterlife etc are just theories of a theological nature

you believe in the big bang regardless of there being no evidence that proves it, and you push it forward as your entire argument against the religious point of view

that is identical to a person who believes in a deity, and you are logically no different to those crazy ass creationists  

the thing you hate about religion is that unlike your faith in scientific hypothesis, religion and god can never be categorically disproved using science

and i think that is really what upsets you about religion  

It is nothing near the same, in fact it is miles apart, the Big bang is a plausible theory for the Universe beginning, where as a deity is born from nothing more than faith, where there is no evidence to support that faith in the first place or any plausible theory behind one. Yes it is impossible to disprove a deity does not exist as only science has not answered all questions but has answered many already.
So the answer is not yet, but someday I think science will disprove that there is no such thing as God and more to the point if your only belief is just in a deity that would be as stated difficult to disprove but many elements of the Bible contradict and clearly are plagiarized from other earlier religions.

The reality is with science theories you can learn and understand about them where as with God, it is always faith and you learn this faith from others or reading religious scriptures, you cannot test anything with regards to faith, but with science you can. Thus your concept is of your faith is thus independent of reason.

So your only argument is that a non religious God one not written about cannot be disproved, but we can with the likes of the biblical one, as you either accept the whole works as the word of God, or you do not!

 ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

do you ever think before you type

because you have confirmed what i have said

"So the answer is not yet, but someday I think science will disprove that there is no such thing as God"

and you have faith in this belief do you?

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


It is nothing near the same, in fact it is miles apart, the Big bang is a plausible theory for the Universe beginning, where as a deity is born from nothing more than faith, where there is no evidence to support that faith in the first place or any plausible theory behind one. Yes it is impossible to disprove a deity does not exist as only science has not answered all questions but has answered many already.
So the answer is not yet, but someday I think science will disprove that there is no such thing as God and more to the point if your only belief is just in a deity that would be as stated difficult to disprove but many elements of the Bible contradict and clearly are plagiarized from other earlier religions.

The reality is with science theories you can learn and understand about them where as with God, it is always faith and you learn this faith from others or reading religious scriptures, you cannot test anything with regards to faith, but with science you can. Thus your concept is of your faith is thus independent of reason.

So your only argument is that a non religious God one not written about cannot be disproved, but we can with the likes of the biblical one, as you either accept the whole works as the word of God, or you do not!

 ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

do you ever think before you type

because you have confirmed what i have said

"So the answer is not yet, but someday I think science will disprove that there is no such thing as God"

and you have faith in this belief do you?

I don;t need any faith to disprove the religious works you believe in smelly.

I think one day they will, that is called a prediction, it may or may not happen, who knows, I just think they will one day, based on scientific understanding and how we are furthering this everyday, that is called rational thinking.


Right really have to go

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

 ::smthg:: ::smthg:: 

do you ever think before you type

because you have confirmed what i have said

"So the answer is not yet, but someday I think science will disprove that there is no such thing as God"

and you have faith in this belief do you?

I don;t need any faith to disprove the religious works you believe in smelly.

I think one day they will, that is called a prediction, it may or may not happen, who knows, I just think they will one day, based on scientific understanding and how we are furthering this everyday, that is called rational thinking.


Right really have to go

you believe that one day science will disprove the existence of a spiritual deity???

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:

I don;t need any faith to disprove the religious works you believe in smelly.

I think one day they will, that is called a prediction, it may or may not happen, who knows, I just think they will one day, based on scientific understanding and how we are furthering this everyday, that is called rational thinking.


Right really have to go

you believe that one day science will disprove the existence of a spiritual deity???

Yes mainly due to science not any faith, as if I place a bet today on a football match I have done so out of prediction and form, not faith, the faith played no part in my choice .
On form my view is that one day sicence would thus disprove God

Hi folks, seems I've missed a good discussion. I've had a filthy cold and not been on the 'net.

Now, let's try to catch up. Quoting Heavenly Father: 'wow do people actually think we evolved from apes, that is so demeaning to mankind.'

How many times have I said in various discussions that no, no, no! Humans did not evolve from primates. Both species evolved from the same ancestor, Humans going one way, primates another way.

On the previous page I see someone mentioned the Big Bang. Quite obviously you cannot get something from nothing. The Big Bang would have resulted from the accumulation of energy and matter which finally exploded into what we call the Big Bang. Eventually when our known universe expires, from whatever cause, the matter and energy will eventually come together again to cause yet another Big Bang. And so it goes on, ad-infinitum.

Hi Didge, how are you? You raised a good point about science disproving God. I think we've done that already for, in modern terms, our current religions, Christianity and Islam, are based on the Bible stories which, as some of you know, I've been able to show up as sheer fantasy.

stardesk wrote:Hi folks, seems I've missed a good discussion. I've had a filthy cold and not been on the 'net.

Now, let's try to catch up. Quoting Heavenly Father: 'wow do people actually think we evolved from apes, that is so demeaning to mankind.'

How many times have I said in various discussions that no, no, no! Humans did not evolve from primates. Both species evolved from the same ancestor, Humans going one way, primates another way.

On the previous page I see someone mentioned the Big Bang. Quite obviously you cannot get something from nothing. The Big Bang would have resulted from the accumulation of energy and matter which finally exploded into what we call the Big Bang. Eventually when our known universe expires, from whatever cause, the matter and energy will eventually come together again to cause yet another Big Bang. And so it goes on, ad-infinitum.

Hi Didge, how are you?  You raised a good point about science disproving God. I think we've done that already for, in modern terms, our current religions, Christianity and Islam, are based on the Bible stories which, as some of you know, I've been able to show up as sheer fantasy.

you better tell some others in here they believe we evolved from apes, i take it you believe darwin was wrong then.

I think evolution has been shown as mere fantasy and the big bang theory is another one..but some will stick to their science religion.

@HF
You mistake the idea that we evolve from an ancient Ape that no longer exists, with we evolved from the apes that you see today.

More correctly we evolved from a Monkey as Apes are the alternate path that some Monkeys in the same area took when the forest disappeared, they developed 'knuckle walking' to cross the larger open spaces, and hominids developed bipedal walking.

I would say that someone either has faith or they don't, so it's not a choice as such. Having said that, there are some people who decide they want to follow a religion, so they look at them all and pick one. Whether they have real faith is debatable, but if a certain religion makes sense to them, I guess they come to feel it's not a choice, it's a calling.

Religion is a choice for some, bit not for others who are brainwashed by religion perhaps by parents forcing it upon them , giving them no choice even though they do not want or are not interested in religion.

Oh dear, why oh why do Creationists constantly mention Darwin? His theories were postulated in the mid 1800s but they did kick-start the scientific research we see today. Scientists of all branches and various scientific persuasions come together to research. The findings are published worldwide and other interested parties explore and expand on those findings. Darwin would not recognise the knowledge and techniques we use today.
I suppose Creationists grab at Darwin's outdated theories in a desperate attempt to shoot holes in the evolutionary story. Forget Darwin and do some research, read about the latest findings of evolutionary transistions of which there are several well documented.

Back later.

The answer to this question is both yes and no, as like I said some people are given no choice bit force fed the stuff as children.

Hi JD. You're quite right, many children are subjected to religious teachings from babyhood. Either they continue with that faith throughout life, or question it when older, and make better informed decisions.
I firmly believe that evolution and religion should have equal teaching times at school, thus giving children a balanced education and opportunity to follow the pathway of their choice, and not have religion rammed down their throats with their breakfast.

stardesk wrote:Hi JD. You're quite right, many children are subjected to religious teachings from babyhood. Either they continue with that faith throughout life, or question it when older, and make better informed decisions.
I firmly believe that evolution and religion should have equal teaching times at school, thus giving children a balanced education and opportunity to follow the pathway of their choice, and not have religion rammed down their throats with their breakfast.

They may well question it when they're older and still have faith.

Hi Raggy. Indeed they may question their faith, along with other alternatives, then make a choice. Some people may be afraid to question their faith thinking there may be a hole in their lives which they don't know how to fill, or with what. Breaking away from faith and religion is not always an easy thing to do. I know, for I questioned my own faith but thankully, found that alternative on realising that God and Biblical stories, especially Genesis, were wrong. No more than fantasy stories.

stardesk wrote:Hi Raggy. Indeed they may question their faith, along with other alternatives, then make a choice. Some people may be afraid to question their faith thinking there may be a hole in their lives which they don't know how to fill, or with what. Breaking away from faith and religion is not always an easy thing to do. I know, for I questioned my own faith but thankully, found that alternative on realising that God and Biblical stories, especially Genesis, were wrong. No more than fantasy stories.

Hi stardesk.

I'm not sure they make a choice as such. They might question the faith they were brought up in, but maybe they just still have that faith even though they question it. I think it's more of a feeling than a decision as such. Faith doesn't necessarily mean you have to follow a religious movement of course - one can have Christian faith and never go near a church. I'm not sure if there are Muslims who never go to a Mosque - I suppose there are.

stardesk wrote:Hi JD. You're quite right, many children are subjected to religious teachings from babyhood. Either they continue with that faith throughout life, or question it when older, and make better informed decisions.
I firmly believe that evolution and religion should have equal teaching times at school, thus giving children a balanced education and opportunity to follow the pathway of their choice, and not have religion rammed down their throats with their breakfast.

Hi stars, that's it chief, force fed religion, I'm only for it if folk or kids can make that choice for themselves.

Let kids decide for themselves eh.

Why are so many people against religion or faith? It's a good thing isn't it? Of course some people do bad things in the name of religion, but most don't - in fact, they do good things. I get the feeling that some people really resent the fact that others have faith which cannot be shaken.

PhilDidge wrote:

smelly_bandit wrote:

you believe that one day science will disprove the existence of a spiritual deity???

Yes mainly due to science not any faith, as if I place a bet today on a football match I have done so out of prediction and form, not faith, the faith played no part in my choice .
On form my view is that one day sicence would thus disprove God

you're view is idiotic since you are suggesting that the physical can have an impact on and power of the spiritual

if you were correct then you could essentially provide the scientific equation for anger and love and joy and jealousy and all the emotions and beliefs that humans have

you don't happen to have those formulas up your sleeve do you??

stardesk wrote:Hi folks, seems I've missed a good discussion. I've had a filthy cold and not been on the 'net.

Now, let's try to catch up. Quoting Heavenly Father: 'wow do people actually think we evolved from apes, that is so demeaning to mankind.'

How many times have I said in various discussions that no, no, no! Humans did not evolve from primates. Both species evolved from the same ancestor, Humans going one way, primates another way.

On the previous page I see someone mentioned the Big Bang. Quite obviously you cannot get something from nothing. The Big Bang would have resulted from the accumulation of energy and matter which finally exploded into what we call the Big Bang. Eventually when our known universe expires, from whatever cause, the matter and energy will eventually come together again to cause yet another Big Bang. And so it goes on, ad-infinitum.

Hi Didge, how are you?  You raised a good point about science disproving God. I think we've done that already for, in modern terms, our current religions, Christianity and Islam, are based on the Bible stories which, as some of you know, I've been able to show up as sheer fantasy.

if you cannot get something from nothing then where did the energy come from to make the big bang??

The something out of nothing argument gets us nowhere either way to be fair smelly. Even if you insert a god you get two problem:

1. How did God make something out of nothing?

And 2. How could God come from nothing? (To which you will say God is eternal, to which I might say why can't can't the energy which the universe came from be eternal)...

Eilzel wrote:The something out of nothing argument gets us nowhere either way to be fair smelly. Even if you insert a god you get two problem:

1. How did God make something out of nothing?

And 2. How could God come from nothing? (To which you will say God is eternal, to which I might say why can't can't the energy which the universe came from be eternal)...

incorrect

it gets the scientific approach nowhere, since science cannot recognize the existence of a deity that defies physics

a religious approach is much more flexible since it can incorporate the existance of a deity,the big bang AND evolution into what it claims happened

for example

according to the bible god made life in the water first, then birds then land animals and lastly man

sounds roughly like the theory of evolution to me

im sure you will say im just making it fit, but the bottom line is that science claims that something cannot be created from nothing, and yet the big bang theory defies this scientific law

if god exists then he is so far beyond our comprehension, that there is no way to describe it and that means that everything we know of science and physics is down to how god made the earth

we cannot even land men of mars and yet we think we know everything there is to know about the entire universe, that is mind boggling arrogance because the only science and physics we know is limited to our planet and the lifeforms that exist here

another planet across the universe may have different laws of physics

im sure some forum professor will bore me with why it cannot have different laws of physics, but no one knows for sure.

all any of us is our faith in what we believe, whether its in god or in science

Eilzel wrote:The something out of nothing argument gets us nowhere either way to be fair smelly. Even if you insert a god you get two problem:

1. How did God make something out of nothing?

And 2. How could God come from nothing? (To which you will say God is eternal, to which I might say why can't can't the energy which the universe came from be eternal)...

actually i would say why cant the energy that made the big bang BE god??

If you want to limit god to mere energy which could then result in the big bang then you are dramatically altering what most people would understand a god to be. If 'god = energy' with no added powers or conciousness I might just believe in god, but energy alone isn't how I define god nor would others.

We can of course observe the visible universe and have an idea of what is going on and the movement of galaxies implies the big bang happened, though I agree there are limitations, but these are readily acknowledged by scientists so there is no arrogance.

smelly_bandit wrote:

PhilDidge wrote:


Yes mainly due to science not any faith, as if I place a bet today on a football match I have done so out of prediction and form, not faith, the faith played no part in my choice .
On form my view is that one day sicence would thus disprove God

you're view is idiotic since you are suggesting that the physical can have an impact on and power of the spiritual

if you were correct then you could essentially provide the scientific equation for anger and love and joy and jealousy and all the emotions and beliefs that humans have

you don't happen to have those formulas up your sleeve do you??

WTF?


That was just made up Gobbledygook you no doubt copied from some other religious idiot and it made no sense what so ever.

So now your saying that love and anger are not human emotions but spiritual?

You are now trying to compare things you have decided fit your idiotic beliefs?

Are you saying the brain does not control anger or love?

smelly_bandit wrote:

stardesk wrote:Hi folks, seems I've missed a good discussion. I've had a filthy cold and not been on the 'net.

Now, let's try to catch up. Quoting Heavenly Father: 'wow do people actually think we evolved from apes, that is so demeaning to mankind.'

How many times have I said in various discussions that no, no, no! Humans did not evolve from primates. Both species evolved from the same ancestor, Humans going one way, primates another way.

On the previous page I see someone mentioned the Big Bang. Quite obviously you cannot get something from nothing. The Big Bang would have resulted from the accumulation of energy and matter which finally exploded into what we call the Big Bang. Eventually when our known universe expires, from whatever cause, the matter and energy will eventually come together again to cause yet another Big Bang. And so it goes on, ad-infinitum.

Hi Didge, how are you?  You raised a good point about science disproving God. I think we've done that already for, in modern terms, our current religions, Christianity and Islam, are based on the Bible stories which, as some of you know, I've been able to show up as sheer fantasy.

if you cannot get something from nothing then where did the energy come from to make the big bang??

What if the universe is just one continuous cycle, one big bang after another?
Why does it have to have a beginning if as you believe god has no beginning?
Does time really exist outside our own concept of time?

All it means is as yet science has not found the answer as to why, the concept of a deity is with the same problems, one you put faith in with no evidence, science tests evidence. The later has again answered many questions, yet there is still mountains left to be answered which is more reasonable to understand that some figure of imagination

Eilzel wrote:If you want to limit god to mere energy which could then result in the big bang then you are dramatically altering what most people would understand a god to be. If 'god = energy' with no added powers or conciousness I might just believe in god, but energy alone isn't how I define god nor would others.

We can of course observe the visible universe and have an idea of what is going on and the movement of galaxies implies the big bang happened, though I agree there are limitations, but these are readily acknowledged by scientists so there is no arrogance.

our idea of energy is based on what we as humans know of energy, which when we again consider that we don't even inhabit a speck of dust in comparison to the scale of the universe, i would say that our knowledge is pretty limited  

yes we can have a look and try to understand it but our understanding is limited, and even though this is acknowledged, the arrogance comes into it when the scientific atheists say "we have no idea how it happened but it definitely WASN'T god"

Raggamuffin wrote:Why are so many people against religion or faith? It's a good thing isn't it? Of course some people do bad things in the name of religion, but most don't - in fact, they do good things. I get the feeling that some people really resent the fact that others have faith which cannot be shaken.

after the day i have had today i am more sure that "god " any of them are just complete and utter bollocks and anybody who still thinks there is one or who holds on to such a bunch of crap is deluding them self`s
i could continue to site the crap and misleading and contradictory crap in the bible, but why bother, you believers just deflect and say it out of context or use "free will as a fucking shield to prop up fucking stupid arguments  
some fucking god that condemns a child to a life of pain and suffering from birth , they had no fucking choice "oh but god has a plan " yea well you can fuck of with that as well
god has no plan because he is a fucking figment of your deluded and pitiful imagination
i am sick to fucking death with you bible thumpers your worse than evil you give a false promise of hope of some mythical after life where everything is rosy
what about this life
you make me fucking sick

Korben Dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Why are so many people against religion or faith? It's a good thing isn't it? Of course some people do bad things in the name of religion, but most don't - in fact, they do good things. I get the feeling that some people really resent the fact that others have faith which cannot be shaken.

after the day i have had today i am more sure that "god " any of them are just complete and utter bollocks and anybody who still thinks there is one or who holds on to such a bunch of crap is deluding them self`s
i could continue to site the crap and misleading and contradictory crap in the bible, but why bother, you believers just deflect and say it out of context or use "free will as a fucking shield to prop up fucking stupid arguments  
some fucking god that condemns a child to a life of pain and suffering from birth , they had no fucking choice "oh but god has a plan " yea well you can fuck of with that as well
god has no plan because he is a fucking figment of your deluded and pitiful imagination
i am sick to fucking death with you bible thumpers your worse than evil you give a false promise of hope of some mythical after life where everything is rosy
what about this life
you make me fucking sick

Sorry you've had a bad day, hope you and yours are ok TTS   x

feelthelove wrote:

Korben Dallas wrote:
after the day i have had today i am more sure that "god " any of them are just complete and utter bollocks and anybody who still thinks there is one or who holds on to such a bunch of crap is deluding them self`s
i could continue to site the crap and misleading and contradictory crap in the bible, but why bother, you believers just deflect and say it out of context or use "free will as a fucking shield to prop up fucking stupid arguments  
some fucking god that condemns a child to a life of pain and suffering from birth , they had no fucking choice "oh but god has a plan " yea well you can fuck of with that as well
god has no plan because he is a fucking figment of your deluded and pitiful imagination
i am sick to fucking death with you bible thumpers your worse than evil you give a false promise of hope of some mythical after life where everything is rosy
what about this life
you make me fucking sick

Sorry you've had a bad day, hope you and yours are ok TTS   x

No not really FTL

Korben Dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Why are so many people against religion or faith? It's a good thing isn't it? Of course some people do bad things in the name of religion, but most don't - in fact, they do good things. I get the feeling that some people really resent the fact that others have faith which cannot be shaken.

after the day i have had today i am more sure that "god " any of them are just complete and utter bollocks and anybody who still thinks there is one or who holds on to such a bunch of crap is deluding them self`s
i could continue to site the crap and misleading and contradictory crap in the bible, but why bother, you believers just deflect and say it out of context or use "free will as a fucking shield to prop up fucking stupid arguments  
some fucking god that condemns a child to a life of pain and suffering from birth , they had no fucking choice "oh but god has a plan " yea well you can fuck of with that as well
god has no plan because he is a fucking figment of your deluded and pitiful imagination
i am sick to fucking death with you bible thumpers your worse than evil you give a false promise of hope of some mythical after life where everything is rosy
what about this life
you make me fucking sick

Why does it matter to you what I believe though? It's not hurting you is it? You seem very angry towards those with faith.

If so many people have such unshakable faith, why do they have to gather weekly to be lectured and to sing about how much faith they have?

You don't see scientists meeting weekly to sing songs about the big bang or evolution    

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Ben_Reilly wrote:If so many people have such unshakable faith, why do they have to gather weekly to be lectured and to sing about how much faith they have?

You don't see scientists meeting weekly to sing songs about the big bang or evolution    

They don't have to. Some choose to - I suppose they like to be with like-minded people or they like a nice hymn or whatever.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Korben Dallas wrote:
after the day i have had today i am more sure that "god " any of them are just complete and utter bollocks and anybody who still thinks there is one or who holds on to such a bunch of crap is deluding them self`s
i could continue to site the crap and misleading and contradictory crap in the bible, but why bother, you believers just deflect and say it out of context or use "free will as a fucking shield to prop up fucking stupid arguments  
some fucking god that condemns a child to a life of pain and suffering from birth , they had no fucking choice "oh but god has a plan " yea well you can fuck of with that as well
god has no plan because he is a fucking figment of your deluded and pitiful imagination
i am sick to fucking death with you bible thumpers your worse than evil you give a false promise of hope of some mythical after life where everything is rosy
what about this life
you make me fucking sick

Why does it matter to you what I believe though? It's not hurting you is it? You seem very angry towards those with faith.

because for hundreds of years religion has held back scientific advancement because of its prejudice and it is still doing it thats why