More evidence that nazism was left wing

by Tommy Monk Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:25 am

First topic message reminder :

"...Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight..."

Joseph Goebbels

lol!

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:48 pm

Thorin wrote:People stayed on topic

Tommy ignored damning evidence refuting his poor plagiarized claims

People got bored with his ignorance

Nuff said

No... you and les completely strayed off topic and started posting about me instead!!!

There has not been any 'damning evidence' posted that proves me wrong!

by Guest Mon Apr 24, 2017 5:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:People stayed on topic

Tommy ignored damning evidence refuting his poor plagiarized claims

People got bored with his ignorance

Nuff said

No... you and les completely strayed off topic and started posting about me instead!!!

There has not been any 'damning evidence' posted that proves me wrong!

And there you have it.

Delusional

Both Eilzel pointed out countless flaws in your views and evidence that refuted your claims

I mean the bases for the topic here is based on one quote by Gobbels as if this some how ignores the hate the Nazis's had for the left. With a lol after, showing you never had any serious intention of debate.

It is as seen absurd, as much as your delusions over even being able to follow this thread.

I think people should place you on ignore until you grow up, then you might learn, that being a twat, is not tolerated.

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:01 pm

Didge... communism and socialism are both left but different types of left...

I'm saying that nazism/fascism was also left but again just a different type of left than communism or socialism...

All of those involved in Nazism/fascism at the time, had long established and well known history of left wing/socialist political ideals!!!

by Guest Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Didge... communism and socialism are both left but different types of left...

I'm saying that nazism/fascism was also left but again just a different type of left than communism or socialism...

All of those involved in Nazism/fascism at the time, had long established and well known history of left wing/socialist political ideals!!!

You can claim all you like, which is nothing more than revisionist history, which fails to understand how the Nazi's hated the left, socialists and communists. So much so that they shot, sent to concentration camps all those of these political beliefs. So again you ignore actual history and play off how the Nazi's first used a socialist element to gain power. Once in power it was clear the true intent of the Nazi party, which quickly disassociated any socialist aspect to the party.

by Andy Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:37 pm

If Tommy thinks the Nazis and Fascists are left wing,, it begs the question which political party Tommy actually considers to be far right.

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:48 pm

Didn't Hitler say that he was a socialist?

I think the problem is partly with the name of the party. National socialist is actually one word in German, and I think it means something different to the usual socialism.

by Tommy Monk Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:55 pm

I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, ... Adolf Hitler, Spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930

by eddie Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:58 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, ... Adolf Hitler, Spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930

Okay...do you like Hitler or something? scratch

by Andy Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:01 pm

He didn't answer my question. One assumes Tommy is further right than EVERY other political party. Perhaps he is Ghengis reincarnated.

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:02 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Says the chief spammer of big long copy&pastes...

Look, you have been exposed here as nothing more than a child, who fails to even understand what you are posting from others on this argument

The more people ignore you and exhaust you of the attention you crave the better it will be for the forum.

You may then grow up

I at least understand what I debate about, all you do is play off what others you read.

Like you 9/11 conspiracies
Moon landing conspiracies
Your denial of Global warning.

So this is my last post to you and no doubt others will follow suit until you grow up.

As seen you are nothing but a petulant brat

So enjoy Coventry, you have brought this on yourself

I'm not going to ignore Tommy, so you should only speak for yourself. This is all sounds like an attempt to drive him off this forum.

by Raggamuffin Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I am a Socialist, and a very different kind of Socialist from your rich friend, ... Adolf Hitler, Spoken to Otto Strasser, Berlin, May 21, 1930

Yes, and also Goering made a speech about it. Mind you, it's a a bit vague.

http://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goering1.htm

by Eilzel Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:21 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:People stayed on topic

Tommy ignored damning evidence refuting his poor plagiarized claims

People got bored with his ignorance

Nuff said

No... you and les completely strayed off topic and started posting about me instead!!!

There has not been any 'damning evidence' posted that proves me wrong!

No.

My responses to you were on topic. I posted a list of points on how and why Nazism is not LW at all.

How many points could you respond to?

Zero.

Because you are incapable of forming your own arguments, only throwing up those of others.

Then you tried to derail the thread onto the US Democratic Party and the KKK.

So I'll repeat my points and see if you can do better this time. One last time, as you have so far proven only boring and a liar by saying I went off topic.

by Eilzel Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:21 am

Eilzel wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Right wing = small state, small government, low taxes, minimal interference in people's lives... favouring individuals freedoms and liberties...!

Left wing = big state, big government big state control of and taxation of business, big control and interference in people's lives...

RW does not equal mininal interference in people's lives, or favouring individual freedoms. Examples- Republican and Tory policies present and past regarding abortion, gay rights, civil rights etc.

RW does not always equal small govt. It means hands off the economy, but everything else is game.

LW does not equal interference in peoples' lives. It involves supporting those who need help.

LW politics pushed for equal rights for women, ethnic minorities and LGBT people long before the Right did (conservatives in many places still actively work against those things). So the idea RW favours individual liberties and freedoms is utter utter nonsense.

RW favours freedom for big businesses to do what they want and pay as little in taxes as possible. The Right served the rich and powerful. Hitler supported them too! He just made sure they served his nationalist interests.

And you can spout isolated evidence of the Nazis being LW all you like. But it is understood by most that Nazism was a nationalist (RW) pro-big business (RW) in practice anti-socialist (RW) anti-union (RW) ideology and most definitely NOT liberal (LW) or socialist (LW) in its actions.

Again- Nazism was a socialist and the DEMORATIC Republic of Korea is democratic.

The evidence you have posted is a couple of isolated accounts that run contrary to every serious account in works on history.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:47 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Look, you have been exposed here as nothing more than a child, who fails to even understand what you are posting from others on this argument

The more people ignore you and exhaust you of the attention you crave the better it will be for the forum.

You may then grow up

I at least understand what I debate about, all you do is play off what others you read.

Like you 9/11 conspiracies
Moon landing conspiracies
Your denial of Global warning.

So this is my last post to you and no doubt others will follow suit until you grow up.

As seen you are nothing but a petulant brat

So enjoy Coventry, you have brought this on yourself

I'm not going to ignore Tommy, so you should only speak for yourself. This is all sounds like an attempt to drive him off this forum.

No its an attempt to get tommy to grow up, why do you encourage his immature behaviour and keep defending that?

So that speaks volumes after countless people have easily rubbished Tommy's claims

The fact you are as ignorant on this and use selective quotes shows again the ignorance by you on this subject.

You just did it again a few posts back as if this makes Hitler a socialist, when he eradicated them after he came to power

The quote given was when Hitler used the Socialists to gain power.

This point still has you left confused.

What you and Tommy fail to do is understand History and how the Nazi's clearly used then betrayed the socialist aspect to gain power

The fact I have already shown your ignorance to the rise of these political beliefs go back into the 19th century, shows how lacking you are in understanding this subject. I easily proved that.

The point is you as stupidly as Tommy defend this revisionist history

The questions to ask here is why.

1) Are you that stupid?

2) Or is this an attempt to attempt to win Tommy as a boyfriend?

by Ben Reilly Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:50 am

Why in the world would anybody want Tommy to leave when he posts such wonderful threads, comparing every left-winger to Hitler?

Rolling Eyes

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:48 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not going to ignore Tommy, so you should only speak for yourself. This is all sounds like an attempt to drive him off this forum.

No its an attempt to get tommy to grow up, why do you encourage his immature behaviour and keep defending that?

So that speaks volumes after countless people have easily rubbished Tommy's claims

The fact you are as ignorant on this and use selective quotes shows again the ignorance by you on this subject.

You just did it again a few posts back as if this makes Hitler a socialist, when he eradicated them after he came to power

The quote given was when Hitler used the Socialists to gain power.

This point still has you left confused.

What you and Tommy fail to do is understand History and how the Nazi's clearly used then betrayed the socialist aspect to gain power

The fact I have already shown your ignorance to the rise of these political beliefs go back into the 19th century, shows how lacking you are in understanding this subject. I easily proved that.

The point is you as stupidly as Tommy defend this revisionist history

The questions to ask here is why.

1) Are you that stupid?

2) Or is this an attempt to attempt to win Tommy as a boyfriend?

I defend Tommy because I like the way he doesn't go along with the "norm" - I've told you that before. I also defend him because childish people keep ganging up on him and tag-teaming with each other, whilst claiming to be more intelligent than him.

I don't go along with the view that Hitler called the party socialist merely to get votes. He made no secret of his policies. The original German Workers' Party programme was drawn up by him and others - maybe you should take a look at it.

Now, if you had any intelligence, you'd be discussing what Hitler meant when he said he was a socialist rather than blustering your way through the thread insulting anyone who doesn't bow down to you.

Oh, and haven't you said that people are entitled to define themselves?

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:50 am

Thorin wrote:
2) Or is this an attempt to attempt to win Tommy as a boyfriend?

Maybe that's what you're doing - you're just playing hard to get. Laughing

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:30 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

No its an attempt to get tommy to grow up, why do you encourage his immature behaviour and keep defending that?

So that speaks volumes after countless people have easily rubbished Tommy's claims

The fact you are as ignorant on this and use selective quotes shows again the ignorance by you on this subject.

You just did it again a few posts back as if this makes Hitler a socialist, when he eradicated them after he came to power

The quote given was when Hitler used the Socialists to gain power.

This point still has you left confused.

What you and Tommy fail to do is understand History and how the Nazi's clearly used then betrayed the socialist aspect to gain power

The fact I have already shown your ignorance to the rise of these political beliefs go back into the 19th century, shows how lacking you are in understanding this subject. I easily proved that.

The point is you as stupidly as Tommy defend this revisionist history

The questions to ask here is why.

1) Are you that stupid?

2) Or is this an attempt to attempt to win Tommy as a boyfriend?

I defend Tommy because I like the way he doesn't go along with the "norm" - I've told you that before. I also defend him because childish people keep ganging up on him and tag-teaming with each other, whilst claiming to be more intelligent than him.

I don't go along with the view that Hitler called the party socialist merely to get votes. He made no secret of his policies. The original German Workers' Party programme was drawn up by him and others - maybe you should take a look at it.

Now, if you had any intelligence, you'd be discussing what Hitler meant when he said he was a socialist rather than blustering your way through the thread insulting anyone who doesn't bow down to you.

Oh, and haven't you said that people are entitled to define themselves?

So you back Tommy as he makes up history which is not what happened, thus proving you are as thick as he is.

The facts are as obvious to any one with half a brain Hitler hated the left, socialists and communists, hence why he arrested, shot and sent them to concentration camps

So in conclusions both you and Tommy are idiots

You both went off selective quotes proving even more what a thicky, you are ignoring factual history

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:31 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:
2) Or is this an attempt to attempt to win Tommy as a boyfriend?

Maybe that's what you're doing - you're just playing hard to get.

No its obvious you are one thick dummy on this

Laughing

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:00 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I defend Tommy because I like the way he doesn't go along with the "norm" - I've told you that before. I also defend him because childish people keep ganging up on him and tag-teaming with each other, whilst claiming to be more intelligent than him.

I don't go along with the view that Hitler called the party socialist merely to get votes. He made no secret of his policies. The original German Workers' Party programme was drawn up by him and others - maybe you should take a look at it.

Now, if you had any intelligence, you'd be discussing what Hitler meant when he said he was a socialist rather than blustering your way through the thread insulting anyone who doesn't bow down to you.

Oh, and haven't you said that people are entitled to define themselves?

So you back Tommy as he makes up history which is not what happened, thus proving you are as thick as he is.

The facts are as obvious to any one with half a brain Hitler hated the left, socialists and communists, hence why he arrested, shot and sent them to concentration camps

So in conclusions both you and Tommy are idiots

You both went off selective quotes proving even more what a thicky, you are ignoring factual history

See what I mean? Instead of discussing the subject, you just hurl abuse around. I think that proves that you are not interested in history, you're only interested in abusing other members - as usual.

I told you - think about Hitler's own definition of socialism, and then you might get somewhere.

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:01 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Maybe that's what you're doing - you're just playing hard to get.

No its obvious you are one thick dummy on this

I'm far more intelligent than you Didge, and you know it. That's why you're so bitter. Cool

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:04 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So you back Tommy as he makes up history which is not what happened, thus proving you are as thick as he is.

The facts are as obvious to any one with half a brain Hitler hated the left, socialists and communists, hence why he arrested, shot and sent them to concentration camps

So in conclusions both you and Tommy are idiots

You both went off selective quotes proving even more what a thicky, you are ignoring factual history

See what I mean? Instead of discussing the subject, you just hurl abuse around. I think that proves that you are not interested in history, you're only interested in abusing other members - as usual.

I told you - think about Hitler's own definition of socialism, and then you might get somewhere.

That is because you are a thicky

Hitler again played off socialism to gain support, the part you keep missing and when in power quickly disassociated himself from socialism

You are just a thick twat when it comes to history and all can see that

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:04 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

No its obvious you are one thick dummy on this

I'm far more intelligent than you Didge, and you know it. That's why you're so bitter.

ha ha ha

Have you seen the doctor lately about these delusions you are having?

Laughing

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:11 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

See what I mean? Instead of discussing the subject, you just hurl abuse around. I think that proves that you are not interested in history, you're only interested in abusing other members - as usual.

I told you - think about Hitler's own definition of socialism, and then you might get somewhere.

That is because you are a thicky

Hitler again played off socialism to gain support, the part you keep missing and when in power quickly disassociated himself from socialism

You are just a thick twat when it comes to history and all can see that

No, he had his own definition of socialism - think outside of the box Didge. He never changed his views from the start, so he wasn't pandering to the voters.

You're still hurling abuse around, which means you lost the debate already.

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:12 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm far more intelligent than you Didge, and you know it. That's why you're so bitter.

ha ha ha

Have you seen the doctor lately about these delusions you are having?

It's you who is suffering from delusions Didge - thinking that you're always right, which clearly isn't the case at any time.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:15 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

That is because you are a thicky

Hitler again played off socialism to gain support, the part you keep missing and when in power quickly disassociated himself from socialism

You are just a thick twat when it comes to history and all can see that

No, he had his own definition of socialism - think outside of the box Didge. He never changed his views from the start, so he wasn't pandering to the voters.

You're still hurling abuse around, which means you lost the debate already.

Hitler said many things, what you fail to understand is you use quotes from before he came into power

Now take your time, what happened when he came to power?

What did he do to the Social Democrats, the communists and the Socialist element of the Nazi Party?

So to say he never changed his vies shows you are a thick twat

I will continue to rightly call you a thick twat, whilst you continue to act like one

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:16 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

ha ha ha

Have you seen the doctor lately about these delusions you are having?

It's you who is suffering from delusions Didge - thinking that you're always right, which clearly isn't the case at any time.

I dont think I am always right and can admit when I have been wrong

I have never seen you admit to being wrong, which shows its you that has problems with delusions

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:37 am

Here is a fine example of someone who has never read the history of Nazism. Rags, shows this, as she attempts to desperately search google for anything to back her ignorance here in the debate. Its evident earlier when I brought up the Pan-Germanic League, she had no idea what she was talking about on the subject.

This is how you expose liars like Rags

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:55 am

All the Nazis/fascists had a long established and well known political background as socialists...

I'm just saying that it was a different kind of left wing to communism or the more liberal socialism of the time.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:01 am

Tommy Monk wrote:All the Nazis/fascists had a long established and well known political background as socialists...

I'm just saying that it was a different kind of left wing to communism or the more liberal socialism of the time.

So the socialist aspect that Nazism was formed on as born from the philosophy of Johann Plenge and Oswald Spengler.

What type of Socialism was this?

In both they hated Liberalism, human rights, democracy and individualism

Take your time

by Eilzel Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:11 am

Tommy, Winston Churchill.was Lord of the Admiralty in a Liberal government. That doesn't mean he was liberal in 1945, he wasn't. People change.

Members of the Nazis may have held socialist views in their early days (in fact moving from the idealistic Left to the cynical nationalist Right is hardly uncommon) but when they achieved power they certainly were not.

And still you fail to address the points I listed. Because you can't.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:13 am

Eilzel wrote:Tommy, Winston Churchill.was Lord of the Admiralty in a Liberal government. That doesn't mean he was liberal in 1945, he wasn't. People change.

Members of the Nazis may have held socialist views in their early days (in fact moving from the idealistic Left to the cynical nationalist Right is hardly uncommon) but when they achieved power they certainly were not.

And still you fail to address the points I listed. Because you can't.

Sent PM

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:26 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:All the Nazis/fascists had a long established and well known political background as socialists...

I'm just saying that it was a different kind of left wing to communism or the more liberal socialism of the time.

So the socialist aspect that Nazism was formed on as born from the philosophy of Johann Plenge and Oswald Spengler.

What type of Socialism was this?

In both they hated Liberalism, human rights, democracy and individualism

Take your time

Sounds pretty much like communism...

But how nazism/fascism was different was that it left ownership of many businesses in private hands while strictly controlling them all and the means of production.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 1:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:

So the socialist aspect that Nazism was formed on as born from the philosophy of Johann Plenge and Oswald Spengler.

What type of Socialism was this?

In both they hated Liberalism, human rights, democracy and individualism

Take your time

Sounds pretty much like communism...

But how nazism/fascism was different was that it left ownership of many businesses in private hands while strictly controlling them all and the means of production.

Oh dear lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_socialism

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:34 pm

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

No, he had his own definition of socialism - think outside of the box Didge. He never changed his views from the start, so he wasn't pandering to the voters.

You're still hurling abuse around, which means you lost the debate already.

Hitler said many things, what you fail to understand is you use quotes from before he came into power

Now take your time, what happened when he came to power?

What did he do to the Social Democrats, the communists and the Socialist element of the Nazi Party?

So to say he never changed his vies shows you are a thick twat

I will continue to rightly call you a thick twat, whilst you continue to act like one

You're far too ignorant to debate anything without being abusive, so I'll ignore your posts.

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:35 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:All the Nazis/fascists had a long established and well known political background as socialists...

I'm just saying that it was a different kind of left wing to communism or the more liberal socialism of the time.

Hitler took the view that communism was the wrong sort of socialism. His perception of socialism was based on ethnicity rather than class, and it was national rather than international.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:40 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Hitler said many things, what you fail to understand is you use quotes from before he came into power

Now take your time, what happened when he came to power?

What did he do to the Social Democrats, the communists and the Socialist element of the Nazi Party?

So to say he never changed his vies shows you are a thick twat

I will continue to rightly call you a thick twat, whilst you continue to act like one

You're far too ignorant to debate anything without being abusive, so I'll ignore your posts.

Good riddance to stupidity and an ignoramus on history

Woohooo

Laughing

by 'Wolfie Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:10 pm

Angry Andy wrote:
He didn't answer my question. One assumes Tommy is further right than EVERY other political party. Perhaps he is Ghengis reincarnated.

Tommy doesn't answer questions...
Yet, he keeps on demanding answers to his own stupid questions -- even after they've been answered..

Tommy, Ragg's, and their assorted backers, are only on here to troll this site into extinction.
As shown by the destructive behaviours of those lying and trolling clowns among them, who incessantly attempt to label their "lefty/liberal/communistic" opponents as 'liars, trolls, clowns'..

And, as Jules pointed out a while back, one of Tommy's signature traits is regularly claiming the opposite to a words or terms true meaning, e.g. nazis were left wing, fascists were left wing, left is right, black is white...

And how many times have we witnessed poor little 'genius' Tommy attempting to turn scientific and economic facts and principles completely updide down; or rewriting history to suit his own mischievousness ??? Rolling Eyes

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:12 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:
He didn't answer my question. One assumes Tommy is further right than EVERY other political party. Perhaps he is Ghengis reincarnated.

Tommy doesn't answer questions...
Yet, he keeps on demanding answers to his own stupid questions -- even after they've been answered..

Tommy, Ragg's, and their assorted backers, are only on here to troll this site into extinction.
As shown by the destructive behaviours of those lying and trolling clowns among them, who incessantly attempt to label their "lefty/liberal/communistic" opponents as 'liars, trolls, clowns'..

And, as Jules pointed out a while back, one of Tommy's signature traits is regularly claiming the opposite to a words or terms true meaning, e.g. nazis were left wing, fascists were left wing, left is right, black is white...

And how many times have we witnessed poor little 'genius' Tommy attempting to turn scientific and economic facts and principles completely updide down; or rewriting history to suit his own mischievousness ???

Still no comment on the subject? I don't suppose you've even heard of Hitler have you? You should do some research - you might find the history of the Nazi party quite interesting.

by Tommy Monk Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:15 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:All the Nazis/fascists had a long established and well known political background as socialists...

I'm just saying that it was a different kind of left wing to communism or the more liberal socialism of the time.

Hitler took the view that communism was the wrong sort of socialism. His perception of socialism was based on ethnicity rather than class, and it was national rather than international.

Not quite... while nationalist it was still class based too... and don't forget that the communist weren't too keen on Jews either...

by Andy Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:16 pm

I searched Google for Hitler + left wing.
Answer = nil.
I then seached Hitler + right wing.
Guess what?
Thousands of results.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:17 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:
He didn't answer my question. One assumes Tommy is further right than EVERY other political party. Perhaps he is Ghengis reincarnated.

Tommy doesn't answer questions...
Yet, he keeps on demanding answers to his own stupid questions -- even after they've been answered..

Tommy, Ragg's, and their assorted backers, are only on here to troll this site into extinction.
As shown by the destructive behaviours of those lying and trolling clowns among them, who incessantly attempt to label their "lefty/liberal/communistic" opponents as 'liars, trolls, clowns'..

And, as Jules pointed out a while back, one of Tommy's signature traits is regularly claiming the opposite to a words or terms true meaning, e.g. nazis were left wing, fascists were left wing, left is right, black is white...

And how many times have we witnessed poor little 'genius' Tommy attempting to turn scientific and economic facts and principles completely updide down; or rewriting history to suit his own mischievousness ???

Yep, both have shown themselves to be right clowns and ignorant of history here

Both have countless times failed to answer points

Hence why to me they deserve ridicule

The fact that they cannot grasp that when Hitler was in power he eradicated the socialist elements of the Nazis party escapes their lunacy here

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:21 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Hitler took the view that communism was the wrong sort of socialism. His perception of socialism was based on ethnicity rather than class, and it was national rather than international.

Not quite... while nationalist it was still class based too... and don't forget that the communist weren't too keen on Jews either...

How was it class based? All Germans were equal, but there were conditions to being "German".

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:23 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I searched Google for Hitler + left wing.
Answer = nil.
I then seached Hitler + right wing.
Guess what?
Thousands of results.

The idea is to think for yourself Andy. I think what's interesting is not whether or not the Nazi party were left wing/right wing/socialist according to modern standards, but how they saw themselves.

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:25 pm

What escapes some people is that the party was in existence long before it took power. People should read up about it - it was a very interesting time.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:26 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I searched Google for Hitler + left wing.
Answer = nil.
I then seached Hitler + right wing.
Guess what?
Thousands of results.

Indeed, throughout they have never read a book in their life on the history of Nazism

I proved that earlier, as Rags had no comprehension of the Pan-Germanic League

This is a fine example of two people trying to con their way through pretending to know history and easily being caught out on both using google

The coup de grace was right wing socialism, which I admit I had to read up on again from my own sources to show how utterly stupid the pair of twats were here

They both have never read anything on Nazism, other than recently on google by conservative sites on revisionist history of Nazism

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:31 pm

People should read "Hitler: A Study in Tyranny" - a very interesting book. For those who know so little that they can only throw insults around, there is plenty of info out there about the origins of the party and the people involved. You also need to think about the economic times, and the structure of the Government and voting system.

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:People should read "Hitler: A Study in Tyranny" - a very interesting book. For those who know so little that they can only throw insults around, there is plenty of info out there about the origins of the party and the people involved. You also need to think about the economic times, and the structure of the Government and voting system.

Wow one book?

Is that it?

Most people read many books on Nazism itself and not just one on Hitler

Thanks for proving how little you do in fact know

by Raggamuffin Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:33 pm

Those who are only here to comment about other posters will be ignored. Those who want to discuss the subject in an original way are welcome to discuss it with me.

However, I'm going out now, so later ...

by Guest Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:34 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Those who are only here to comment about other posters will be ignored. Those who want to discuss the subject in an original way are welcome to discuss it with me.

However, I'm going out now, so later ...

As seen most think you are clueless on this subject and you think the only relevance is on early Nazism, and not more so when Hitler came to power.

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