The state of homophobia in the west

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The collective out pouring of support for gay marriage on social media has been both astonishing and heart warming over the past few days. I always knew that most people today had positive views on this subject- but wasn't quite aware just how much the tide really is now massively against those who cling to homophobia.

I used to hear, when I first joined Sky, how 'the militant homosexual agenda' would eventually result in a 'backlash' against the gay community- it doesn't seem to be happened- far from it, the opposite is the case.

I love western society for this for the most part. And look forward to many other places around the world following the precedent we have set on matters of equality  

Meanwhile, here is some of the best of Facebook, just letting those against know the extent of just how far their backward views have fallen in the eyes of many...

The rainbow tide


Homophobes terminated


Ooops...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Yep, and then, years later, they take the progressive stance, much too late, as I think it was Teddy Roosevelt I quoted in my sig.

I remember on Question Time when gay marriage was being debated a Tory MP pointed out Civil Partnerships had worked and were a good deal for gay couples- he was shot down by a Labour MP who reminded everyone this Tory MP, now against marriage, had previously voted against the Civil Partnerships he was now being positive about...

I don't know why they bothered with civil partnerships. It's the same thing as marriage anyway.

Understandable compromise at the time. British Society wasn't ready to accept 'gay marriage' in 2005, but Labour wanted to make it as equal as they could.

Eilzel wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:It's obviously an issue of equal rights, which were denied to gay people for a very long time and are just starting to change in that respect. We'd be freaking out equally if an ethnic group was finally seeing the laws in powerful countries change to reflect their equality in society.

This is funny to me, though. This fight has gone on for well over a century, really picking up steam in the past few decades. Now that it appears that the death blow has been delivered to the anti-gay agenda, the homophobes are saying, "Ah, this is boring."

Practically every time major social progress is made, regressives end up shrugging and asking everyone to stop talking about it now. OK, we'll just act like a really big deal didn't just happen. Oh wait, you guys don't get to dictate what the rest of us talk about, so I think we'll just keep talking about it if you don't mind -- or if you do.

Yep, and then, years later, they take the progressive stance, much too late, as I think it was Teddy Roosevelt I quoted in my sig.

I remember on Question Time when gay marriage was being debated a Tory MP pointed out Civil Partnerships had worked and were a good deal for gay couples- he was shot down by a Labour MP who reminded everyone this Tory MP, now against marriage, had previously voted against the Civil Partnerships he was now being positive about...

Hahaha, exactly! Conservatives are against racism ... now. Against gender discrimination ... now. Believe mixed-race couples should be allowed to marry ... now.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Yep, and then, years later, they take the progressive stance, much too late, as I think it was Teddy Roosevelt I quoted in my sig.

I remember on Question Time when gay marriage was being debated a Tory MP pointed out Civil Partnerships had worked and were a good deal for gay couples- he was shot down by a Labour MP who reminded everyone this Tory MP, now against marriage, had previously voted against the Civil Partnerships he was now being positive about...

I don't know why they bothered with civil partnerships. It's the same thing as marriage anyway.

MIssion creep...

Raggamuffin wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:I do hope they keep track of gay divorces separate from normal people divorcing, it will be interesting to see how the figures run..

Probably about the same. All these people celebrating and rushing off to get married. will probably be getting divorced in a couple of years' time.

And what!! and SO ?Christians are together and never divorce ?
fuck you couln`t make this shit up

just checking has anyone campaigned for siblings to marry yet and all direct family, it's a point of equality really...

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

the biggest story was some dick head terrorist shooting dead 38 people just going about normal life but the gay agenda took control of that and swarmed the media with  it , i just tried to find some none gay marriage news while trying to find something different but its all over the figging media still . Kids celebrating gay marriage as if they understand what its about . Using kids to promote the gay agenda is sick .
I'm more concerned about the innocent people shot in Tunisia and how their families will be feeling right now .

Did you miss the part where I typed 'Terror attacks'.

And I don't think the SCOTUS deliberately timed the decision to coincide with the attacks...

not at all i just pointed out that the gay marriage news stories seemed to take over which is typical of bigots .

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:just checking has anyone campaigned for siblings to marry yet and all direct family, it's a point of equality really...

I think in Germany a brother and sister have won a court battle but not sure if they are getting married , but hey love is love isn't it .

Tommy Monk wrote:And just for the record... UKIP didn't get buried at all in the election... UKIP got more votes than the SNP and lib dense combined!!!



It was the lib dense and labour who got buried if I remember rightly...!!!

Correct - they didn't get buried. It's off topic, but it's not accurate to say they got buried in terms of the popular vote anyway.

What's funny is to see so many people acting like the U.S. just now got marriage equality, whereas the majority of the country already had it (in some cases for over a decade) before the Supreme Court decision struck down the bans in the remaining states that still had them.

So there's already info about gay divorce -- they get divorced at a lower rate than straight couples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rates-williams-_n_6328102.html

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Did you miss the part where I typed 'Terror attacks'.

And I don't think the SCOTUS deliberately timed the decision to coincide with the attacks...

not at all i just pointed out that the gay marriage news stories seemed to take over which is typical of bigots .

How is it typical?

A single gay news story- a massive change in the USA and for America I imagine American news is going to get priority over international (as in any country). Of course if the media thinks people want to hear it then that is consumerism, people get what they want, and they wanted to hear this- says a lot don't you think

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:just checking has anyone campaigned for siblings to marry yet and all direct family, it's a point of equality really...

I think in Germany a brother and sister have won a court battle but not sure if they are getting married , but hey love is love isn't it .

You Think !!!? eh ....isn`t that an oxymoron ?

korban dallas wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Probably about the same. All these people celebrating and rushing off to get married. will probably be getting divorced in a couple of years' time.

And what!! and SO ?Christians are together and never divorce ?
fuck you couln`t make this shit up

So nothing. It's not a fucking issue at all - I was just answering a post.

You got a problem with that? Are you going to start ranting on about Christians now?

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:just checking has anyone campaigned for siblings to marry yet and all direct family, it's a point of equality really...

I think in Germany a brother and sister have won a court battle but not sure if they are getting married , but hey love is love isn't it .

How very 'progressive'... all in the name of equality mind!!!

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's funny is to see so many people acting like the U.S. just now got marriage equality, whereas the majority of the country already had it (in some cases for over a decade) before the Supreme Court decision struck down the bans in the remaining states that still had them.

So there's already info about gay divorce -- they get divorced at a lower rate than straight couples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rates-williams-_n_6328102.html

Well exactly!

korban dallas wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

I think in Germany a brother and sister have won a court battle but not sure if they are getting married , but hey love is love isn't it .

You Think !!!? eh ....isn`t that an oxymoron ?

shut up child

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's funny is to see so many people acting like the U.S. just now got marriage equality, whereas the majority of the country already had it (in some cases for over a decade) before the Supreme Court decision struck down the bans in the remaining states that still had them.

So there's already info about gay divorce -- they get divorced at a lower rate than straight couples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rates-williams-_n_6328102.html

That's right, was it 14 states that remained without it?

Great stat there too! I guess some straight couples may get married out of expectations or because they want a family and then realize it wont work (and minority of course).

Gay people don't have that expectation so we can be sure before hand.

Just some thoughts.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
You Think !!!? eh ....isn`t that an oxymoron ?

shut up child

lol I guess school has just finished and he got home...

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's funny is to see so many people acting like the U.S. just now got marriage equality, whereas the majority of the country already had it (in some cases for over a decade) before the Supreme Court decision struck down the bans in the remaining states that still had them.

So there's already info about gay divorce -- they get divorced at a lower rate than straight couples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rates-williams-_n_6328102.html

Well exactly!

Most of the people acting that way are opposed to marriage equality, though. Those of us who aren't are celebrating the fact that gay marriage bans are now illegal according to the U.S. constitution.

korban dallas wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

I think in Germany a brother and sister have won a court battle but not sure if they are getting married , but hey love is love isn't it .

You Think !!!? eh ....isn`t that an oxymoron ?

Sharp

Tommy Monk wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

I think in Germany a brother and sister have won a court battle but not sure if they are getting married , but hey love is love isn't it .

How very 'progressive'... all in the name of equality mind!!!

yep and sick too , they have disabled children too but that doesn't matter does it as long as they ''love'' each other and if they ''love'' each other that's all that counts

Eilzel wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's funny is to see so many people acting like the U.S. just now got marriage equality, whereas the majority of the country already had it (in some cases for over a decade) before the Supreme Court decision struck down the bans in the remaining states that still had them.

So there's already info about gay divorce -- they get divorced at a lower rate than straight couples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rates-williams-_n_6328102.html

That's right, was it 14 states that remained without it?

Great stat there too! I guess some straight couples may get married out of expectations or because they want a family and then realize it wont work (and minority of course).

Gay people don't have that expectation so we can be sure before hand.

Just some thoughts.

They might get married just because they can though.

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:


How very 'progressive'... all in the name of equality mind!!!

yep and sick too , they have disabled children too but that doesn't matter does it as long as they ''love'' each other and if they ''love'' each other that's all that counts

it's ok they love each other... that's what makes it right ..

Eilzel wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's funny is to see so many people acting like the U.S. just now got marriage equality, whereas the majority of the country already had it (in some cases for over a decade) before the Supreme Court decision struck down the bans in the remaining states that still had them.

So there's already info about gay divorce -- they get divorced at a lower rate than straight couples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rates-williams-_n_6328102.html

That's right, was it 14 states that remained without it?

Great stat there too! I guess some straight couples may get married out of expectations or because they want a family and then realize it wont work (and minority of course).

Gay people don't have that expectation so we can be sure before hand.

Just some thoughts.

That's true, it was just 14 states and with a few exceptions, they weren't very well populated states. Most Americans already lived in states with marriage equality. But now it's federally illegal for states to bar gay couples from marrying -- i.e. no state will ever be able to do that again.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:What's funny is to see so many people acting like the U.S. just now got marriage equality, whereas the majority of the country already had it (in some cases for over a decade) before the Supreme Court decision struck down the bans in the remaining states that still had them.

So there's already info about gay divorce -- they get divorced at a lower rate than straight couples: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/15/same-sex-divorce-rates-williams-_n_6328102.html

That's right, was it 14 states that remained without it?

Great stat there too! I guess some straight couples may get married out of expectations or because they want a family and then realize it wont work (and minority of course).

Gay people don't have that expectation so we can be sure before hand.

Just some thoughts.

They might get married just because they can though.

Just as some straight couples do. Being married in the U.S. carries a lot of legal advantages.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

That's right, was it 14 states that remained without it?

Great stat there too! I guess some straight couples may get married out of expectations or because they want a family and then realize it wont work (and minority of course).

Gay people don't have that expectation so we can be sure before hand.

Just some thoughts.

They might get married just because they can though.

A very small few might, initially, though I'd hope not, and doubt most will.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They might get married just because they can though.

Just as some straight couples do. Being married in the U.S. carries a lot of legal advantages.

I mean some might get married in the excitement about the law changing.

Patrick Stuebing and his wife, Susan Karolewski, live in the German city of Leipzig. Patrick’s a locksmith and Susan dotes over their four kids. Patrick and Susan also happen to be brother and sister.

Their case has sparked heated debate in Germany for over a decade. Stuebing has already been convicted three times of incest and has served almost three years in prison. In the latest twist, an influential committee is recommending that incest be legalized. The German Ethics Council argues that genetic risks to a child from an incestuous relationship are not significant enough to justify the law.




http://www.vocativ.com/world/germany-world/incest-germany/

Vicar of Dibley wrote:Patrick Stuebing and his wife, Susan Karolewski, live in the German city of Leipzig. Patrick’s a locksmith and Susan dotes over their four kids. Patrick and Susan also happen to be brother and sister.

Their case has sparked heated debate in Germany for over a decade. Stuebing has already been convicted three times of incest and has served almost three years in prison. In the latest twist, an influential committee is recommending that incest be legalized. The German Ethics Council argues that genetic risks to a child from an incestuous relationship are not significant enough to justify the law.




http://www.vocativ.com/world/germany-world/incest-germany/

You know you dearly beloved HF has created a whole thread on this subject if you want to pop that over there. Ta.

Eilzel wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:Patrick Stuebing and his wife, Susan Karolewski, live in the German city of Leipzig. Patrick’s a locksmith and Susan dotes over their four kids. Patrick and Susan also happen to be brother and sister.

Their case has sparked heated debate in Germany for over a decade. Stuebing has already been convicted three times of incest and has served almost three years in prison. In the latest twist, an influential committee is recommending that incest be legalized. The German Ethics Council argues that genetic risks to a child from an incestuous relationship are not significant enough to justify the law.




http://www.vocativ.com/world/germany-world/incest-germany/

You know you dearly beloved HF has created a whole thread on this subject if you want to pop that over there. Ta.

I posted this the village idiot Korban Dallas , so stop telling me what to do thanks

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

shut up child

lol I guess school has just finished and he got home...

The schools are on holiday ?

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

You know you dearly beloved HF has created a whole thread on this subject if you want to pop that over there. Ta.

I posted this the village idiot Korban Dallas , so stop telling me what to do thanks

Just a suggestion deary, bloody nora...

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

You know you dearly beloved HF has created a whole thread on this subject if you want to pop that over there. Ta.

I posted this the village idiot Korban Dallas , so stop telling me what to do thanks

pretty sure if we voted for the village idiot you would come in first in any vote with your imaginary wife Husband second

Raggamuffin wrote:

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

They might get married just because they can though.

Just as some straight couples do. Being married in the U.S. carries a lot of legal advantages.

I mean some might get married in the excitement about the law changing.

A few might, but try to remember that just because they're gay doesn't make them any more likely to rush into a lifelong commitment that they haven't thought over. Divorce is still difficult for people, and that even includes gay people, believe it or not.

It's interesting, but most gay people make their life decisions very similarly to how straight people make them -- in other words, they haven't subsumed their own personal desires and goals and decided instead to sacrifice their individuality in favor of fighting for the cause of gay rights.

So the vast majority of them who, for example, ask someone to make them a wedding cake really do just want a nice cake for their wedding, and really aren't out to destroy some poor innocent Christian bakers' life.

korban dallas wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

I posted this the village idiot Korban Dallas , so stop telling me what to do thanks

pretty sure if we voted for the village idiot you would come in first in any vote with your imaginary wife Husband second

nope you're the village idiot and prove it time and again

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

You know you dearly beloved HF has created a whole thread on this subject if you want to pop that over there. Ta.

I posted this the village idiot Korban Dallas , so stop telling me what to do thanks

kd is no where near bright enough to be the village idiot...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I mean some might get married in the excitement about the law changing.

A few might, but try to remember that just because they're gay doesn't make them any more likely to rush into a lifelong commitment that they haven't thought over. Divorce is still difficult for people, and that even includes gay people, believe it or not.

It's interesting, but most gay people make their life decisions very similarly to how straight people make them -- in other words, they haven't subsumed their own personal desires and goals and decided instead to sacrifice their individuality in favor of fighting for the cause of gay rights.

So the vast majority of them who, for example, ask someone to make them a wedding cake really do just want a nice cake for their wedding, and really aren't out to destroy some poor innocent Christian bakers' life.

Like, like, like

True that, and I'd say we make decision exactly as straight people do- only we have to remember to book a twin room instead of a double if we decide to travel in the Middle East

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

korban dallas wrote:
pretty sure if we voted for the village idiot you would come in first in any vote with your imaginary wife Husband second

nope you're the village idiot and prove it time and again

lol well said ...

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I mean some might get married in the excitement about the law changing.

A few might, but try to remember that just because they're gay doesn't make them any more likely to rush into a lifelong commitment that they haven't thought over. Divorce is still difficult for people, and that even includes gay people, believe it or not.

It's interesting, but most gay people make their life decisions very similarly to how straight people make them -- in other words, they haven't subsumed their own personal desires and goals and decided instead to sacrifice their individuality in favor of fighting for the cause of gay rights.

So the vast majority of them who, for example, ask someone to make them a wedding cake really do just want a nice cake for their wedding, and really aren't out to destroy some poor innocent Christian bakers' life.

Well a lot of heterosexual people don't seem to think it through before they get married, so I don't see why gay people should be any different.

I just said that the divorce rates will probably be similar - it's too soon to say really.

It wasn't a wedding cake by the way. Anyway, there's no reason why wedding cakes shouldn't just be wedding cakes rather than a political statement.

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

I posted this the village idiot Korban Dallas , so stop telling me what to do thanks

kd is no where near bright enough to be the village idiot...

OH dear the tag team strikes again ...i am so gutted

Vicar of Dibley wrote:

it's great to be normal... that's why it's great to be straight...

Tommy Monk wrote:

Eilzel wrote:

So much resentment...

In fact in America it is NOT over.

Adoption rights aren't perfect I believe (correct me if I'm wrong American friends), and in some states you can still be discriminated against in employment and some businesses just for being gay- so a way to go there.

Homophobia of course remains a problem in both our countries, though on very different levels.

There we have it... the homoNazis want to get their hands on the children!


Adoption is not a 'right' that you can claim by making out you are a victim of discrimination.



A child's rights and needs are paramount.


And a child should only be placed in a normal and natural environment with a mother and a father.

And here we have EXACTLY the reason any clear thinking person MUST continue to help our gay friends in tghier fight for true equality...

bigoted and quite frankly stupid ideas like this need to be erased from the concience of man
such Ideas are NO better than the dicarded and disgusting ideas of "racial purity" etc espoused not so many years ago by an insane little painter ....
they have NO basis in any form of fact, merely having roots in the sub standard mind of a biased and cruel individual.
considering the rhetoric of that nasty litlle painter....those who continue to "keep faith" with such mentally aberant ideas could be considered todays "untermench"

not only are they merely out of touch, but regressive, viscious and mena minded.

I will ask Tommy the same question that I asked HF and VOD...(and noticeably got no answer)....What harm Tommy, physical OR psychological can a gay person attaining the same rights as the rest of us do YOU

never mind the waffle and "ah buts".....

Adoption is not a right and the child's needs are paramount.

Tommy Monk wrote:Adoption is not a right and the child's needs are paramount.

And the child needs parents much more than to be a ward of the state.

yes and? the child needs a secure and caring home environment...so what is your point...

given you know less than F**k all about child psychology your answer will be doubless amusing.....

so amuse me.....

oh and answer the question.....

mentor wrote:yes and? the child needs a secure and caring home environment...so what is your point...

given you know less than F**k all about child psychology your answer will be doubless amusing.....

so amuse me.....

oh and answer the question.....

I think Tommy is actually incredibly in touch with how children think, particularly pre-verbal ones.

Ben_Reilly wrote:

mentor wrote:yes and? the child needs a secure and caring home environment...so what is your point...

given you know less than F**k all about child psychology your answer will be doubless amusing.....

so amuse me.....

oh and answer the question.....

I think Tommy is actually incredibly in touch with how children think, particularly pre-verbal ones.

^^^^^THIS^^^^^

Ben_Reilly wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:Adoption is not a right and the child's needs are paramount.

And the child needs parents much more than to be a ward of the state.

Well said that man

I wonder where tommy went

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