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Post by Eilzel Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:19 pm

First topic message reminder :

The collective out pouring of support for gay marriage on social media has been both astonishing and heart warming over the past few days. I always knew that most people today had positive views on this subject- but wasn't quite aware just how much the tide really is now massively against those who cling to homophobia.

I used to hear, when I first joined Sky, how 'the militant homosexual agenda' would eventually result in a 'backlash' against the gay community- it doesn't seem to be happened- far from it, the opposite is the case.

I love western society for this for the most part. And look forward to many other places around the world following the precedent we have set on matters of equality  Smile

Meanwhile, here is some of the best of Facebook, just letting those against know the extent of just how far their backward views have fallen in the eyes of many...

The rainbow tide
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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:38 pm

so you cant...

If you think it is flawed then demonstrate where the flaw is....

or have the balls to admit you aint got a clue...

as with everything you post.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:42 pm

Are you saying it isn't bollocks...!?


lol!
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Post by Ben Reilly Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:51 pm

I think that everyone should remember, when dealing with Tommy, that he is firmly convinced that the sun and moon have been rising in the wrong place. Just thought I'd point that out.
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Post by Eilzel Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:56 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:I think that everyone should remember, when dealing with Tommy, that he is firmly convinced that the sun and moon have been rising in the wrong place. Just thought I'd point that out.

Wow, definitely worth being aware of Laughing
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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:59 pm

Ok ladies...


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:14 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Are you saying it isn't bollocks...!?


lol!

I'm saying that I know theres a flaw in it....

but can YOU prove it?


if you cant then , well I'm afraid you prove my point.....

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:14 pm

and its not the +1 either.....

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 3:16 pm

also this

We have a proof that 1 = 0:

 1)  Let x and y be positive numbers such that   x = y

  2) Square both sides:   x2 = y2

  3) Subtract y2 from both sides:   x2 - y2 = 0

  4) Factor x2 - y2:   (x + y)(x - y) = 0

  5) Divide both sides by x - y:   x + y = 0

  6) Since x = y, substitute x for y:   2x = 0

   7)Divide both sides by 2x:   1 = 0


Q.E.D

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 4:43 pm

A little light entertainment whilst we wait for tommy to stop panicing and thrashing around on the floor like a demented whirygig

MATHEMATICAL LIMERIC


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   A Dozen, a Gross, and a Score,
    plus three times the square root of four,
    divided by seven,
    plus five times eleven,
    equals nine squared and not a bit more.

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:02 pm

So let me get this right... I say it's bollocks, you say it isn't, then you say it is... but I'm then supposed to prove it's bollocks when we both already now agree that it is bollocks...!?



It's obvious bollocks and it proves itself to be by its own bollocks.


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:So let me get this right... I say it's bollocks, you say it isn't, then you say it is... but I'm then supposed to prove it's bollocks when we both already now agree that it is bollocks...!?



It's obvious bollocks and it proves itself to be by its own bollocks.



but you have no idea WHY its bollocks, nor can you prove whether it is or isnt...your merely saying it is proves nothing.....this is why you cannot understand one iota of science...


AND you are (as usual) running away from it in a cloud of waffle

SHOW how and why it is flawed...

you claimed it was the + 1 in it...it isnt its something FAR more fundamental....

so...identify it or admit you are a mental microbe........

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:57 pm

If x=y and then you divide something by x-y then you are effectively dividing something by nothing!!!


This does not equal 1 at all...



Plus the question arises as to why you would be starting to try to divide anything by anything else in the first place!?


Unless of course you were trying to do the opposite of my newton Sig...!?



As I said... all bollocks!!!


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 8:58 pm

and that has what exactly do do with anything?

or have you come to rescue the forum dunce?

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:If x=y and then you divide something by x-y then you are effectively dividing something by nothing!!!


This does not equal 1 at all...



Plus the question arises as to why you would be starting to try to divide anything by anything else in the first place!?


Unless of course you were trying to do the opposite of my newton Sig...!?



As I said... all bollocks!!!


lol!


took you long enough....

google can be mighty slow at times though....

or did you need to ask the kid next door?

and what has this got to do with the thread......


well read the following
The flaw, of course, is in step 5: if x = y then x - y = 0, and we’re dividing by zero in step 5. (But note that because I made x a positive number, there’s no division by zero in step 7.) Since division by zero is not well defined, everything after that point is invalid. That puts this into category two:

It actually is not true, because it’s based on a false premise (that seems true, or that’s been lost in the weeds).

There are many variations on this, “proving” slightly different things, but they all involve dividing by zero. When we use an invalid premise — here, the premise that division by zero is legitimate — we can claim to deduce anything from it. That’s because of how conditional statements work.

Put mathematically, if P and Q are statements, and P is false, the statement if P then Q is always true. But that doesn’t mean that Q is true — if P is false, we can say nothing at all about Q, either way — and that’s the part that people often miss.


the parts in red are why your EVERY argument on EVERY topic are just plain wrong

you argue from the starting point of "false premise"

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:06 pm

It took me long enough!!!???



I said it was bollocks straight away last night!!!


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:08 pm

mentor wrote:and that has what exactly do do with anything?

or have you come to rescue the forum dunce?


it says everything.... i didn't know you needed rescuing.... Smile





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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:11 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:It took me long enough!!!???



I said it was bollocks straight away last night!!!


lol!

yeah but you couldnt say why ...could you...THAT is the point.....

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:17 pm

And my answer has everything to do with the false addition of the '+1'!!!



I don't need Google to see that... I have been busy today at dentist, then bit of shopping, then couple hours in the sun with a bottle of 2010 Portuguese red!!!


But I find your desperate attempts to try to embarrass me to be not only quite juvenile but also.... most amusing!!!



lol!


I argue things from the right side of things, that is why others find it so hard to contest what i say!!!


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:27 pm

yeah sure tommy...your adherence to the +1 shows that not to be true....

moreover there wasnt a +1 in the second formula...so......

the ONLY flaw as you so belatedly pointed out was in dividing by x-y...in effect divison by zero, which isnt supported or defined.....

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:31 pm

but of course in reality your mathematical ineptitude is of little concern to me ....what is significant is that you apply the same inability to analyse and THINK to other matters....

well read the following
The flaw, of course, is in step 5: if x = y then x - y = 0, and we’re dividing by zero in step 5. (But note that because I made x a positive number, there’s no division by zero in step 7.) Since division by zero is not well defined, everything after that point is invalid. That puts this into category two:

It actually is not true, because it’s based on a false premise (that seems true, or that’s been lost in the weeds).

There are many variations on this, “proving” slightly different things, but they all involve dividing by zero. When we use an invalid premise — here, the premise that division by zero is legitimate — we can claim to deduce anything from it. That’s because of how conditional statements work.

Put mathematically, if P and Q are statements, and P is false, the statement if P then Q is always true. But that doesn’t mean that Q is true — if P is false, we can say nothing at all about Q, either way — and that’s the part that people often miss.


the parts in red are why your EVERY argument on EVERY topic are just plain wrong

you argue from the starting point of "false premise"






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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:34 pm

not sure what math has to do with gay, other than proving they are a tiny minority....




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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:43 pm

as ever HF you miss the point.....


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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:43 pm

The '+1' arrived as a product of the false algebra beforehand...


I see you are a little disappointed... but do you really think you would have been able to trip me up with such a low hurdle...!?


Most amusing!!!



lol!



And hf... it is mere deflection tactics away from the simple truth that they don't like!!!


lol!





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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:47 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The '+1' arrived as a product of the false algebra beforehand...

wrong  Rolling Eyes


I see you are a little disappointed... but do you really think you would have been able to trip me up with such a low hurdle...!?


Most amusing!!!



lol!





And hf... it is mere deflection tactics away from the simple truth that they don't like!!!


lol!






anyone reading the thread will see what a numpty you are...so I'll leave it to others to judge...

and the whole point is that it wasnt a deflection


the points outlined in red are why it is no deflection  you ALWAYS argue from the point of false premise

so you arguments are always flawed....

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 9:48 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The '+1' arrived as a product of the false algebra beforehand...


I see you are a little disappointed... but do you really think you would have been able to trip me up with such a low hurdle...!?


Most amusing!!!



lol!



And hf... it is mere deflection tactics away from the simple truth that they don't like!!!


lol!







It must be, because lets face it the numbers are not on their side at all.... Smile





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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:29 pm

They post up a load of twisted nonsense and their maths skills are not much good either!!!



I post my opinions from the side of truth and common sense!

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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:They post up a load of twisted nonsense and their maths skills are not much good either!!!



I post my opinions from the side of truth and common sense!


well you see as a rule gays don't like truth and common sense it tends to stand against them.... Smile




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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:They post up a load of twisted nonsense and their maths skills are not much good either!!!



I post my opinions from the side of truth and common sense! misinformation deciet and false premise....


thats you to a T tommy......

this is why the R/W never achieves anything but war, despair and destruction.....it has people like you in its ranks........


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Post by Guest Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:35 pm

heavenlyfatheragain wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:They post up a load of twisted nonsense and their maths skills are not much good either!!!



I post my opinions from the side of truth and common sense!


well you see as a rule gays don't like truth and common sense it tends to stand against them.... Smile




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says the man that lives in a book full of myth which brooks no common sense......

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:39 pm

I support peace, love, freedom and democracy!



Oh, and the rights of children to not be part of some social experiment and their rights to not be placed in some abnormal and unnatural family environment that does not have a mother and a father!


People who read this thread are welcome to judge me by this!!!
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Post by Ben Reilly Tue Jun 30, 2015 10:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I support peace, love, freedom and democracy!



Oh, and the rights of children to not be part of some social experiment and their rights to not be placed in some abnormal and unnatural family environment that does not have a mother and a father!


People who read this thread are welcome to judge me by this!!!

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Post by veya_victaous Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:43 pm

mentor wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:So let me get this right... I say it's bollocks, you say it isn't, then you say it is... but I'm then supposed to prove it's bollocks when we both already now agree that it is bollocks...!?



It's obvious bollocks and it proves itself to be by its own bollocks.



but you have no idea WHY its bollocks, nor can you prove whether it is or isnt...your merely saying it is proves nothing.....this is why you cannot understand one iota of science...


AND you are (as usual) running away from it in a cloud of waffle

SHOW how and why it is flawed...

you claimed it was the + 1 in it...it isnt its something FAR more fundamental....

so...identify it or admit you are a mental microbe........


I love watching someone else pluck a parrot Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

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Post by Tommy Monk Tue Jun 30, 2015 11:56 pm

You need to pluck those dingleberries out of your arse hole veya!!!



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Post by Guest Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:01 am

veya_victaous wrote:
mentor wrote:

but you have no idea WHY its bollocks, nor can you prove whether it is or isnt...your merely saying it is proves nothing.....this is why you cannot understand one iota of science...


AND you are (as usual) running away from it in a cloud of waffle

SHOW how and why it is flawed...

you claimed it was the + 1 in it...it isnt its something FAR more fundamental....

so...identify it or admit you are a mental microbe........


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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:06 am

Ok Elmer...


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Post by Guest Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:14 am

back in your cage polly....theres an ugly bird...

polly wanna cracker???

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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:32 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You need to pluck those dingleberries out of your arse hole veya!!!
lol!

I guess they would be up to task of debating you tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

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Post by Guest Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:36 am

so where were we.... oh yeah homophobia is just a spin word, pointless and useless just tries to make people feel like they are wrong to believe that homosexuality is wrong when it is entirely their choice and opinion...



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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:40 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You need to pluck those dingleberries out of your arse hole veya!!!
lol!

I guess they would be up to task of debating you tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

lol!



No, it just might help you to start to learn how to count properly!!!


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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:45 am

@HF
No
we are at, bigots are being shown to be bigots for no reason other than their Fear of Homosexuals (HomoPHOBIA)

You do not get the right to say 'Homosexuality is wrong' that is NOT a right because it impinges on the rights of another. SO yes you can say it, but is wrong to say it MORE so that homosexuality itself, because what you are doing is Impacting someone else for something that has no effect on you. while someone opposing you is preventing you for hurting another.

YOUR right to discriminate based on religious fundamentalism is Exactly Equal to ISIS's right to Sharia.... In other words IT IS NOT ONE! and something we have agreed to fight against.
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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:52 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:You need to pluck those dingleberries out of your arse hole veya!!!
lol!

I guess they would be up to task of debating you tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue tongue

lol!

No, it just might help you to start to learn how to count properly!!!
lol!


hahaha
you were still at the +1 thing even after Victor had more or less pointed out that it was dividing by Zero

BUT just so you know you can divide by Zero in 'Complex numbers' used in Quantum Physics.
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:06 am

You lefties have quantum thinking where all normal rules and logic don't apply and you can hold two completely opposing ideas at the same time and believe that both are right!!!


Your whole thing was bullshit and your +1 bit was a product of the previous line of bullshit and was just the easiest way to point out the bullshit as a whole.


lol!


You'd be better off plucking those dingleberries and start learning the basics of counting as you go before moving on to more advanced stuff...


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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:11 am

lolz
umm your still wrong

it is nothing with the +1 at all, as 1 was added to both sides Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
it is entirely the divide by zero

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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:20 am

You pulled out +1 from nowhere and only applied it to one side then followed by your proclaimed '1=0' bullshit...



It was obvious bullshit and boring last night... even more so now!


Start counting the dingleberries veya...!


lol!
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Post by Eilzel Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:37 am

Quite clearly tommy you were offered a chance to explain something you claimed to know, in a field where explanations and facts are more clean cut than in politics, philosophy and sociology.

Yet you didn't/couldn't. You simply claimed something then banged the drum of repetition rather than just give the explanation vic requested. Which in math, IF you know the answer, should be a straightforward thing to do.

He is right, this echoes into all your arguments. You make a point as fact, backed by nothing but strong subjective opinions. Then you paste the same sentence over and over.

A better man would have just admitted he knew nothing about the kind of math on show, rather than expose the true level of your ability to reason (which we were all aware of to begin with). Instead you wanted to be the know all without the knowledge, and have been found badly wanting.
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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:45 am

Tommy Monk wrote:You pulled out +1 from nowhere and only applied it to one side then followed by your proclaimed '1=0' bullshit...
It was obvious bullshit and boring last night... even more so now!
Start counting the dingleberries veya...!
lol!

How can you be so DUMB  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

So it seems you actually cannot Count
at no point did i add 1 to only one side I changed a Fraction that was just another way of writing 1 to be written as 1

Honestly If You cant follow that YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE.
We don't let 10 year old kids vote For the EXACT same reason You should not be allowed to vote.

and like Les said the fact that in this text book case (this is literally in almost every first year maths subject in University) and You are flailing around like a uneducated Buffoon Highlights the Problem with parrots.

I found your picture tongue tongue tongue
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:58 am

Fuck me... such waffle from the lefties... I would say unbelievable but from you lot... any level of bullshit is possible!!!


lol!


It was basic algebra and quite obviously Bollocks from the start...

And that is what I said from the start too!!!


How did I know that... from the start...???


You do the math!!!


lol!



If you cannot say then you are showing that You have absolutely no knowledge of sense, logic or reason, or algebra...!!!


You jokers....











Although I must admit...








That I do find it to be...











Most amusing!!!




lol!
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Post by Tommy Monk Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:15 am

And veya... just to add... it was not the dividing by zero itself that I found to be the problem... only that You claimed that the denominator (x-y) to equal the same as the number shown above, and how that subsequently equalled 1, when in fact your Bollocks (x-y) denominator actually equalled zero, which subsequently failed to produce the +1 that You pulled out your arse in the final bit of your bullshit!!!




Now there's a real +1 for you to think about... add a few more dingleberries from your arse and let me know when you reach 1000... then start counting the flies round each one and we can do some multiplication...!!!



lol!


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Post by veya_victaous Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:17 am

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ComplexNumber.html
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RealNumber.html
DONE

Tommy
How do you think we worked out Pi ?

You are in WAY over your head. NOT only did it have nothing to do with +1 and that never happened to one side
It is valid the answer is a complex number
Most commonly given as 'i'
YES 'i' is a number like n! is a number
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