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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:27 am



A group of loosely affiliated Democratic operatives have been in discussions about putting together an effort to attack Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) should he end up winning next week’s Iowa caucus and, potentially, the New Hampshire primary a week later.

The talks, which two sources described to The Daily Beast, are in their nascent stages, and have already hit a snag. Big money Democrats have shown reluctance at funding such an effort, which could consist of ads attacking Sanders, and institutions associated with Democratic politics have largely shied away from being part of any campaign that goes after the senator, either out of fear over the backlash or growing acceptance at the prospect of him becoming the party’s nominee.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/worried-democratic-operatives-scramble-to-fund-a-network-to-take-down-bernie-sanders


Still don't think he gets the nomination, but I'm not betting much. He's got momentum leading into the first two contests, but I don't think he picks up a lot of other support as other candidates drop out.

But I never though Trump would win the nomination at this point 4 years ago either.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:18 am

Meh...

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:58 am

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A group of loosely affiliated Democratic operatives have been in discussions about putting together an effort to attack Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) should he end up winning next week’s Iowa caucus and, potentially, the New Hampshire primary a week later.

The talks, which two sources described to The Daily Beast, are in their nascent stages, and have already hit a snag. Big money Democrats have shown reluctance at funding such an effort, which could consist of ads attacking Sanders, and institutions associated with Democratic politics have largely shied away from being part of any campaign that goes after the senator, either out of fear over the backlash or growing acceptance at the prospect of him becoming the party’s nominee.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/worried-democratic-operatives-scramble-to-fund-a-network-to-take-down-bernie-sanders


Still don't think he gets the nomination, but I'm not betting much.  He's got momentum leading into the first two contests, but I don't think he picks up a lot of other support as other candidates drop out.  

But I never though Trump would win the nomination at this point 4 years ago either.  

Trends show support for Biden slipping, and those deserting Warren would most likely go Sanders.

But it may not be in time. Best thing for Trump would be the predicted Biden win - he'll make minced meat of that old school corporate shill.

Sanders has the best shot against Trump. And it is a little more likely he'll get his chance this time than it was during the run of the Democrat's Chosen Darling Hilary.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:10 pm

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Maddog wrote:

A group of loosely affiliated Democratic operatives have been in discussions about putting together an effort to attack Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) should he end up winning next week’s Iowa caucus and, potentially, the New Hampshire primary a week later.

The talks, which two sources described to The Daily Beast, are in their nascent stages, and have already hit a snag. Big money Democrats have shown reluctance at funding such an effort, which could consist of ads attacking Sanders, and institutions associated with Democratic politics have largely shied away from being part of any campaign that goes after the senator, either out of fear over the backlash or growing acceptance at the prospect of him becoming the party’s nominee.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/worried-democratic-operatives-scramble-to-fund-a-network-to-take-down-bernie-sanders


Still don't think he gets the nomination, but I'm not betting much.  He's got momentum leading into the first two contests, but I don't think he picks up a lot of other support as other candidates drop out.  

But I never though Trump would win the nomination at this point 4 years ago either.  

Trends show support for Biden slipping, and those deserting Warren would most likely go Sanders.

But it may not be in time. Best thing for Trump would be the predicted Biden win - he'll make minced meat of that old school corporate shill.

Sanders has the best shot against Trump. And it is a little more likely he'll get his chance this time than it was during the run of the Democrat's Chosen Darling Hilary.

It's going to be interesting. I sorta thought Warren was going to get it as she seemed to be able to split the difference between Bernie and Joe. That doesnt appear to be very likely now. And she's probably smarter than either candidate. Of course we all know that being smart, or at least appearing intelligent, isn't required to win a nomination, or an election.

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Post by Lurker on Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:45 pm

I don't understand why the democrats can't find a strong competent candidate. It's the same bunch that always runs and I don't like any of them. I'll have to hold my nose and vote for one of them because they are still better than a republican.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:51 pm

Lurker wrote:I don't understand why the democrats can't find a strong competent candidate. It's the same bunch that always runs and I don't like any of them. I'll have to hold my nose and vote for one of them because they are still better than a republican.

Who would you like to see run?

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:53 pm

Maddog wrote:
Eilzel wrote:
Maddog wrote:

A group of loosely affiliated Democratic operatives have been in discussions about putting together an effort to attack Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) should he end up winning next week’s Iowa caucus and, potentially, the New Hampshire primary a week later.

The talks, which two sources described to The Daily Beast, are in their nascent stages, and have already hit a snag. Big money Democrats have shown reluctance at funding such an effort, which could consist of ads attacking Sanders, and institutions associated with Democratic politics have largely shied away from being part of any campaign that goes after the senator, either out of fear over the backlash or growing acceptance at the prospect of him becoming the party’s nominee.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/worried-democratic-operatives-scramble-to-fund-a-network-to-take-down-bernie-sanders


Still don't think he gets the nomination, but I'm not betting much.  He's got momentum leading into the first two contests, but I don't think he picks up a lot of other support as other candidates drop out.  

But I never though Trump would win the nomination at this point 4 years ago either.  

Trends show support for Biden slipping, and those deserting Warren would most likely go Sanders.

But it may not be in time. Best thing for Trump would be the predicted Biden win - he'll make minced meat of that old school corporate shill.

Sanders has the best shot against Trump. And it is a little more likely he'll get his chance this time than it was during the run of the Democrat's Chosen Darling Hilary.

It's going to be interesting. I sorta thought Warren was going to get it as she seemed to be able to split the difference between Bernie and Joe.  That doesnt appear to be very likely now.  And she's probably smarter than either candidate.  Of course we all know that being smart, or at least appearing intelligent, isn't required to win a nomination,  or an election.  

Clearly lol

I think people saw her as being fake tbh. First there was the 'Pocohantas' debacle, then her flip flopping on M4A then this BS story she's allowed to run of Bernie saying a woman can't be President. For old school, right leaning Dems she is too progressive, for younger, more liberal types not enough.

Anyway she's another Trump would have for breakfast. His dumb base would gobble up his mocking of her native American claims.

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Post by Lurker on Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:56 pm

"Who would you like to see run? "

At this point I have no idea.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:00 pm

Lurker wrote:"Who would you like to see run? "

At this point I have no idea.

Surely there are people out there that you think would make a good candidate and president.

Maybe they don't have a chance in hell of winning, but you respect them.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:25 pm

Lurker wrote:"Who would you like to see run? "

At this point I have no idea.

I have an idea.

Warren was a good candidate, Harvard law professor, and takes after big money like a Staffordshire Bull Terrier, excellent mind and humble beginnings.  But she ruined her chances in the closing moments of the last debate, in the 'bitchy' debacle of taking after Sanders.  She showed she is not in the moment, and can be vindictive.

There are really two things up for election in 2020: 1) beat Trump; 2) then pursue the policy issues most important before us--healthcare in the US and climate change.

On issue number 1, face it...Biden is the best bet.  He has legitimacy going for him, and he's been in a seat of authority before.  But, fcs, he'll be dead before his first term is finished.  He's already showing signs of senility.  He's old school, and the important policy issues won't go anywhere under his incremental approach.  When late-comers point out his coziness with racists, etc., that's what they are seeing: an old-timer going at a snail's pace.  There’s never a wrong time to do the right thing, and we face challenges that can't afford a snail's pace.

On issue number 2, pick a candidate who will be aggressive and non-incremental.  Tom Steyer is the best candidate on that measure.  He's aggressive and decisive on both healthcare and the environment.  Plus, he is clean as far as money goes...he's got his own $-billions.  He's said to be worth $1.6-billion.  But he’s unknown to most of the voting public.  He's a sleeper and needs a boost.

Here's my proposal: run on a ticket of Biden for president, and Steyer for vice-president.  They win and oust Trump.  Then, immediately after the inauguration, Biden resigns...Steyer is president.  It's a program, and you don't have to deal with old men, bitchy senators and underfunded, mid-western babies.  We get a mensch in the White House.

It's a win-win.

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Post by Lurker on Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:51 pm

I'm afraid Trump will win again because democrats are so disjointed on the candidates. I personally don't like any of them. I'll be voting anybody but Trump, but I'd like to feel comfortable with a strong democrat. I'm not familiar with any of the non-Biden democrats and I personally don't like Biden. It's a disappointing election for me.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:33 pm

Lurker wrote:I'll be voting anybody but Trump, but I'd like to feel comfortable with a strong democrat.

My plan is aimed at producing both those things. I know what you mean about it not being a strong candidate field. As I look down the line, I see only Steyer as outstanding. He's got all the qualities of a strong and decisive front man, but he simply lacks recognition because his character has been utilized in areas other than politics.

What he needs is exactly what we cannot afford right now: time. Time to get known. We don't have that time. We need Trump out right away, or before he is able to merge the US with Russian and the Saudis, in one giant World Mafia.

I suggest Steyer. But, if you'd feel better about one of the other candidates, plug him or her into my plan. Biden has openly said he will only stay in for one term. Get him to push the date up, and resign right after the inauguration.

The idea is, get someone in there that the crowd knows and trusts. Then, with that trust, the person can pass the baton on to the next guy. Lot's of vice-presidents have gotten in that way--Teddy Roosevelt, or Harry Truman come to mind--and they have done spectacular things. Priority number 1 is to get rid of Trump. Number 2 is a long-neglected policy agenda, abandoned by Republicans while they pursue their own self-interests.

The time is now.

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Lurker wrote:I'm afraid Trump will win again because democrats are so disjointed on the candidates. I personally don't like any of them. I'll be voting anybody but Trump, but I'd like to feel comfortable with a strong democrat. I'm not familiar with any of the non-Biden democrats and I personally don't like Biden. It's a disappointing election for me.

So familiarize yourself with them.

Be informed.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:24 pm

Just goes to show that the mainstream Democratic Party isn't the hard-line socialist bloc that the GOP wishes to portray it as.

My ideal Dem candidate would be inspirational, so I would lean toward Warren. The Democrats have never fared well with low-personality candidates (Gore, Hillary, Kerry, Mondale, the list goes on).

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Ben Reilly wrote:Just goes to show that the mainstream Democratic Party isn't the hard-line socialist bloc that the GOP wishes to portray it as.

My ideal Dem candidate would be inspirational, so I would lean toward Warren. The Democrats have never fared well with low-personality candidates (Gore, Hillary, Kerry, Mondale, the list goes on).

That's the problem. It's the approach. The parties are not just separate brands, but separate products.

Republicans are self-interested. Democrats are hardworking achievers. Republicans pursue a hero status, related to the American dream, and they care too much how they look. Is the white hat properly cocked? Is the white horse properly groomed? Democrats are interested in the common weal, not themselves. They go about the business of bettering the place, and don't care about how they look.

Part of the charade, Republicans pretend to be tough (Dems are 'snowflakes', according to them), but as Trump has shown, they are weak-willed and easily bullied. The truth of the matter is they are costume-tough's. It's all show for Republicans; it's all hard work for Democrats.

All of America wants to be inspired, just like we watch western movies. But someone has to do the hard work. Republicans are tome tabards ('empty coats"), as the Scots say. That's why history has always shown: Republicans fook it up, Democrats clean it up…after them.

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Post by Maddog on Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:19 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Just goes to show that the mainstream Democratic Party isn't the hard-line socialist bloc that the GOP wishes to portray it as.

My ideal Dem candidate would be inspirational, so I would lean toward Warren. The Democrats have never fared well with low-personality candidates (Gore, Hillary, Kerry, Mondale, the list goes on).

The typical American doesn't know what socialism is, and most are cool with government spending (which isn't the same as socialism) as long as it's for shit they like.

The typical American (probably all humans TBH) likes to be pandered to.

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Post by Maddog on Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:25 am

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/bernie-sanders-beating-joe-biden-texas/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Web%20Social&utm_content=bernie%20texas


Seems Bernie has even put Texas in play.

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