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Post by Thorin on Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:48 am

During the past decade, and especially this year, those in positions of influence have tried to change the narrative through which society understands itself.

There is an insidious crusade afoot aiming at controlling what the public sees, hears, thinks and believes. This project, which seeks hegemony in various Western cultures, is no less pervasive and thoroughgoing than previous attempts at thought control by totalitarian and theocratic regimes.

But since this campaign to control the narrative has no name, and does not promote an explicit ideology, its significance tends to be underestimated, even by those who oppose the many attempts to police language and thought.

A new identity-obsessed, anti-humanist and anti-civilisational narrative has taken hold. We are increasingly encouraged to change our language, adopt hitherto unknown words, and accept deeply questionable claims.

This campaign has been so successful because its opponents have failed to grasp its significance. Typically, the demands of extreme identitarians are dismissed as either of no significance or as a joke. Take one example that emerged last week.

A group of 16 scientists – from such prestigious universities as Cambridge and Oxford – wrote a letter to the journal Nature denouncing its use of the term ‘quantum supremacy’. This was on the grounds that it conveys racist and colonialist ideas.

They said that, in their view, ‘supremacy’ has ‘overtones of violence, neocolonialism and racism through its association with “white supremacy”’, and demanded that the term be replaced by ‘quantum advantage’.


It is of course tempting to dismiss this as a silly gesture by self-important scientists with too much time on their hands. And that is precisely how many people responded to this ludicrous letter. But its authors are not alone in thinking as they do.

In August, a team at the Human Interface Technology lab in New Zealand asserted that it was problematic that most robots were manufactured out of white plastic, since it smacked of imperialism and white supremacy.

Here we can see how white supremacy has been redefined, turned from a distinct and vicious political ideology into a kind of original sin possessed by all those born with light skin. This is ridiculous, of course, but the impact of this nonsense is no joke.

This redefined notion of white supremacy is now an integral feature of a certain cultural narrative, one that is designed not only to pathologise white people, but also to discredit some of the important legacies of human civilisation.


https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/26/in-2020-we-need-to-fight-the-new-thoughtpolice/

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:54 am

Nonsense. Language is always changing. The PC opponents are always there to oppose any change, yet how would you define Einstein's relativity, without new meanings for words such as 'space' and 'time'. If you only have Newton's three-dimensional world, how do you explain the 11th dimension in modern superstring-theory? https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/11th-dimension

This is just conservatism for the sake of pulling back without reason. As von Hayek says, it serves to affirmative purpose. https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/articles/hayek-why-i-am-not-conservative.pdf

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Post by Thorin on Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:58 am

At the start of 2019, few but the politically committed used the term “woke”. If they’d heard it at all, most people would have assumed it had something to do with insomnia.

“Woke” only entered the Oxford English Dictionary last year as meaning “alert to racial or social discrimination and injustice”. Like its parent “politically correct”, woke is a passion of the urban left. It is PC for the age of LGBTQIA+.

The Guardian suggested “woke” as word of the year, which arguably it should be, though not for the reason it thinks. For woke has changed meaning in the last 12 months, and become a term of derision, referring to a style of self-righteous, right-on thinking favoured by, well, Guardian columnists. It is now used to denote the metropolitan identity politics that contributed to Labour’s greatest defeat since the 1930s.

No-one is sure where the word “woke” came from, except that it emerged from African-American vernacular for “staying alert”, as in “stay woke, brother”. In recent years it was adopted by the BlackLivesMatter movement with their hashtag #staywoke – meaning keeping black issues uppermost on social media.

It was soon adopted by white millennials to emblemise not just racial awareness but a whole identitarian outlook on life. Woke expresses the ultra-feminist, multi-ethnic, gender non-conforming culture fashionable in American and UK campuses.

Woke people love people of colour and loathe “straight white males”, “gammon” and “boomers”. They adore so-called “non-binary” people who claim not to identify with any gender. No-one is quite sure what non-binary means. Do they swing both ways? No, that’s bisexual. Are they transgender? Definitely not, and nor are they intersex. It’s one of life’s mysteries to many folk who are less woke.

Wokeness has recently taken the media and advertising world by storm. Companies eager to keep up with the zeitgeist waste no chance to wave the rainbow flag and include multi-ethnic themes. This is sometimes called “woke-washing”. Every TV advert from McDonald’s to John Lewis now has to feature a multi-racial family, as if the advertisers believe having two white people on one sofa is racism.


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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:59 pm

Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 9rYVxqH

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Post by Thorin on Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:05 pm

Thorin wrote:UK Labour
Lowest seats since 1935

Austria
Lowest since 1945

Germany
2nd lowest since 1949

France
Lowest ever

Italy
Lowest ever

Netherlands
Lowest ever

Sweden
Lowest since 1908

Finland
2nd lowest since 1962

Maybe it's not just about Brexit?


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Post by Ben Reilly on Sat Dec 28, 2019 1:48 pm

You shouldn't rest your case just yet:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/07/alleged-russian-political-meddling-documented-27-countries-since-2004/619056001/

Amazing how many of the countries on your list appear on USA Today's list of countries in which Russia has meddled with elections.

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Post by Thorin on Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:27 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:You shouldn't rest your case just yet:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/07/alleged-russian-political-meddling-documented-27-countries-since-2004/619056001/

Amazing how many of the countries on your list appear on USA Today's list of countries in which Russia has meddled with elections.

I will definitely rest my case. In that the left are continually in denial

They like you use, every distraction in the book. To place blame elsewhere, when its under your very nose

Thank you again for proving my point

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Post by Maddog on Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:10 pm

Thorin wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:You shouldn't rest your case just yet:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/09/07/alleged-russian-political-meddling-documented-27-countries-since-2004/619056001/

Amazing how many of the countries on your list appear on USA Today's list of countries in which Russia has meddled with elections.

I will definitely rest my case. In that the left are continually in denial

They like you use, every distraction in the book. To place blame elsewhere, when its under your very nose

Thank you again for proving my point


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Post by Victorismyhero on Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:30 pm

so far not ONE shred of definative evidence has been presented, which properly indicts Russia of political meddling, particularly in the case of computer meddling.

there is nothing in a computer trail that cannot, by suitably skilled "hackers" be ghosted, copied, diverted, hidden or spoofed.

secondly I agree with didge....the liberalists are getting increasingly, at an increasing rate, more illiberal by the second.

I mean the white plastic robot....ffs, how many "white people" do you know that are actually WHITE, like that white plastic? is my washing machine racist because its painted white?

and all the other "white" goods are they white because the manufacturers are all racist, or could it be that white is a good colour choice because its easy to see its clean, and looks clean and tidy? and fits in with almost almost ALL decors?

does that make the world and its dog racist because white is a "clean tidy colour"?

would it not be the case that if we made them black or brown, it would be seen as racist becasue they are our "servants"

ALL these cretins want to do is IMPOSE their tiny minded pathetic interpretations on everyone else. Its a form of soft dictatorship....control how people speak and you control how they think....dead simple, and its about time the rest of the world woke up to it and stopped it dead in its tracks.

AS FOR WOKE....well, tommy has often made the point about the lgbtqascxvhytgip lot demanding special treatment, and been shouted down for it...well isnt that stupid word EXACTLY that, demanding, no. dictating, what and how folks can express themselves? Me, i no longer have time for it, so for ALL I no longer will say excuse me miss or excuse me madam/sir...and since merely "excuse me" is a recipie for being ignored since everyone assumes you mean someone else...I just shove em out the way
lets face it
you cant say excuse me miss or madam
you cant say excuse me mate/bud
and mere excuse me is ignored for the reason i gave.
about the only thing left is "oi you! shift!"

If I say miss and it turns out to be a kettle with tits.....HARD LUCK...i'm not bloody psychic, if you have tits, a pretty feminine face and soft curves...you are a "miss" like it or lump it...UNLESS you wear a sign that says "I am a kettle"

I dont CARE what you identify as internally.....I cant see that and cannot be expected to know that, what you SHOULD UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU ARE A SMALL minority, and you are spoiling civil society for the majority of soft curvy pretty beings who are, actually, "miss" and who, strange as it may seem to you misfits, actually want to be addressed and treated as such.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:33 pm

the left have latched onto this for a very specific reason you know.

It appeals to a number of would be voters, all their other policies being a busted flush it is their last gasp attempt to hold onto some sort of twisted legitimacy

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Post by nicko on Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:03 pm

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:58 pm

Victor wrote:so far not ONE shred of definative evidence has been presented, which properly indicts Russia of political meddling, particularly in the case of computer meddling.

Nonsense. The US Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, all agree with the CIA, FBI, NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which is an umbrella agency that oversees all 17 organizations, all say that the January [2019] intelligence assessment about Russia’s interference in the election actually happened.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/06/17-intelligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/

In addition, Thirteen Russian nationals and three entities, including the Internet Research Agency (a division of the Russian Army), were indicted in February 2018.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/25/muellers-russia-report-special-counsel-indictments-charges/3266050002/

Denial is a river in East Africa, vic. It has no place in the face of real facts.

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Post by Lurker on Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:39 pm

The world has gone mad.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:02 pm



Looks like some on here have been getting what I've been saying, all this time...


And... it is not that hard for computer techy people to send stuff out on the internet and make it look like it is being sent from wherever in the world they want...


And it is easy for others to lie about origins of stuff on internet too...



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Post by Victorismyhero on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:34 pm

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Victor wrote:so far not ONE shred of definative evidence has been presented, which properly indicts Russia of political meddling, particularly in the case of computer meddling.

Nonsense.  The US Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, all agree with the CIA, FBI, NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which is an umbrella agency that oversees all 17 organizations, all say that the January [2019] intelligence assessment about Russia’s interference in the election actually happened.  
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/06/17-intelligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/

In addition, Thirteen Russian nationals and three entities, including the Internet Research Agency (a division of the Russian Army), were indicted in February 2018.  

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/25/muellers-russia-report-special-counsel-indictments-charges/3266050002/

Denial is a river in East Africa, vic.  It has no place in the face of real facts.

and like ours, doubtless YOUR govt always tells the truth...like WMD's eh?

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Post by eddie on Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:38 pm

“Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale.”


Been happening for a long time. Only just realised it because an article says so?
Look around. Listen. Read.

It’s fucking obvious.

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Post by Thorin on Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:11 am

Victorismyhero wrote:so far not ONE shred of definative evidence has been presented, which properly indicts Russia of political meddling, particularly in the case of computer meddling.

there is nothing in a computer trail that cannot, by suitably skilled "hackers" be ghosted, copied, diverted, hidden or spoofed.

secondly I agree with didge....the liberalists are getting increasingly, at an increasing rate, more illiberal by the second.

I mean the white plastic robot....ffs, how many "white people" do you know that are actually WHITE, like that white plastic? is my washing machine racist because its painted white?

and all the other "white" goods   are they white because the manufacturers are all racist, or could it be that white is a good colour choice because its easy to see its clean, and looks clean and tidy? and fits in with almost almost ALL decors?

does that make the world and its dog racist because white is a "clean tidy colour"?

would it not be the case that if we made them black or brown, it would be seen as racist becasue they are our "servants"

ALL these cretins want to do is IMPOSE their tiny minded pathetic interpretations on everyone else. Its a form of soft dictatorship....control how people speak and you control how they think....dead simple, and its about time the rest of the world woke up to it and stopped it dead in its tracks.

AS FOR WOKE....well, tommy has often made the point about the lgbtqascxvhytgip lot demanding special treatment, and been shouted down for it...well isnt that stupid word EXACTLY that, demanding, no. dictating, what and how folks can express themselves?  Me, i no longer have time for it, so for ALL  I no longer will say excuse me miss or excuse me madam/sir...and since merely "excuse me" is a recipie for being ignored since everyone assumes you mean someone else...I just shove em out the way
lets face it
you cant say excuse me miss or madam
you cant say excuse me mate/bud
and mere excuse me is ignored for the reason i gave.
about the only thing left is "oi you! shift!"

If I say miss and it turns out to be a kettle with tits.....HARD LUCK...i'm not bloody psychic, if you have tits, a pretty feminine face and soft curves...you are a "miss" like it or lump it...UNLESS you wear a sign that says "I am a kettle"

I dont CARE what you identify as internally.....I cant see that and cannot be expected to know that, what you SHOULD UNDERSTAND IS THAT YOU ARE A SMALL minority, and you are spoiling civil society for the majority of soft curvy pretty beings who are, actually, "miss" and who, strange as it may seem to you misfits, actually want to be addressed and treated as such.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:44 am





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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:48 am

eddie wrote:“Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale.”


Been happening for a long time. Only just realised it because an article says so?
Look around.  Listen.  Read.

It’s fucking obvious.


People have been saying about it for a long time...


Have you only just started hearing...?



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Post by JulesV on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:04 am

Isn't "terrifying" in the title a bit histrionic? scratch

Do you have an ever present terror of 'lefties' hiding behind every hedge/privet/bush waiting to ambush you and force you to change your speech, Didge? Do you always check under your bed for lefties before you sleep -and then sleep with one eye open just in case?

That is, in addition to you spamming the living shit out of any forum which lets you, with anti-leftie crap.


In the liberal circles I move in, I have never been corrected in how I speak and I certainly don't go out of my way to be PC. I just find simple politeness more than adequate in all  situations.

Quill often remarks on how some people habitually generalise from specifics. Anyone whose hobby is scouring the interweb looking for things to rant about will most definitely find plenty. Crazy/extreme people are always up to something.

I'm guessing that the people who come up with all these new ways of saying things are looking for attention and excitable people like you, Didge, certainly don't disappoint, you give them plenty.

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Post by JulesV on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:20 am

In Boris's brave new world, I'm shocked that anyone is ''terrified'' of anything anymore.
Why not use him as your inspiration and speak the way he speaks. Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264  Eg he called children of single parents 'illbred and ignorant'. And said  gay men were 'tank topped bum boys', .....I could give you several of examples of him speaking in a bold, nonPC style.
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Post by Maddog on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:23 am

JulesV wrote:In Boris's brave new world, I'm shocked that anyone is ''terrified'' of anything anymore.
Why not use him as your inspiration and speak the way he speaks. Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264  Eg he called children of single parents 'illbred and ignorant'. And said  gay men were 'tank topped bum boys', .....I could give you several of examples of him speaking in a bold, nonPC style.
Don't let those big bad lefties cramp your style, honey. flower

I dont think people have completely stopped saying boorish things. It's just thre reaction is far different now.

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Post by Thorin on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:36 am

JulesV wrote:Isn't "terrifying" in the title a bit histrionic? scratch

Do you have an ever present terror of 'lefties' hiding behind every hedge/privet/bush waiting to ambush you and force you to change your speech, Didge? Do you always check under your bed for lefties before you sleep -and then sleep with one eye open just in case?

That is, in addition to you spamming the living shit out of any forum which lets you, with anti-leftie crap.


In the liberal circles I move in, I have never been corrected in how I speak and I certainly don't go out of my way to be PC. I just find simple politeness more than adequate in all  situations.

Quill often remarks on how some people habitually generalise from specifics. Anyone whose hobby is scouring the interweb looking for things to rant about will most definitely find plenty. Crazy/extreme people are always up to something.

I'm guessing that the people who come up with all these new ways of saying things are looking for attention and excitable people like you, Didge, certainly don't disappoint, you give them plenty.

What more proof does anyone further need of the left being in complete denial, than yet again with the above

They were in denial with the election and they are in denial now to the problems that inhabit the left of today and you are living proof of that Jules

So no, I do not hide under the bed but openly speak out on how I see the problems of today

What i do not do, like you , as play down issues

So you can continue to bury your head like the other leftists on here

Thankfully others are starting to wake up to this bullshit

Also I am not anti-left, being as my social views form from the left

The left that I speak of that we see today is devoid of liberalism and holds the most illiberal views.

I mean I posted two articles here and what did the left wing posters do?

Do everything to deflect from the problems that inhabit the left

Clearly showing that the likes of you, Ben and Quill suffer from ostrich parasitic syndrome

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Speaking of 'reaction', has Didge reacted yet to the hordes of far right politicians & voters stampeding to join the Tories party? Or is he too busy foutraging about the stuff liberal extremists get up to, to even notice?

He is sooo pathetically biased, it's unreal. lol! lol!

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Post by Thorin on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:48 am

JulesV wrote:Speaking of 'reaction', has Didge reacted yet to the hordes of far right politicians & voters stampeding to join the Tories party? Or is he too busy foutraging about the stuff liberal extremists get up to, to even notice?

He is sooo pathetically biased, it's unreal. lol! lol!

I do not support the Tories

Am i concerned?

Absolutely

Anything else?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:12 am



Come off it Didge... you've often said that you are a Tory supporter...



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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:29 am

JulesV wrote:Speaking of 'reaction', has Didge reacted yet to the hordes of far right politicians & voters stampeding to join the Tories party? Or is he too busy foutraging about the stuff liberal extremists get up to, to even notice?

He is sooo pathetically biased, it's unreal. lol! lol!



Can you show any proof of your claim of all these hoards of far right people/politicians joining the tory party...!!!???


Or are you just talking absolute shite... as usual...!!!???



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Post by Original Quill on Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:54 am

Victorismyhero wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Nonsense.  The US Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, all agree with the CIA, FBI, NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which is an umbrella agency that oversees all 17 organizations, all say that the January [2019] intelligence assessment about Russia’s interference in the election actually happened.  
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jul/06/17-intelligence-organizations-or-four-either-way-r/

In addition, Thirteen Russian nationals and three entities, including the Internet Research Agency (a division of the Russian Army), were indicted in February 2018.  

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/03/25/muellers-russia-report-special-counsel-indictments-charges/3266050002/

Denial is a river in East Africa, vic.  It has no place in the face of real facts.

and like ours, doubtless YOUR govt always tells the truth...like WMD's eh?

Who do you believe? Our government, or a Russian government which is run by a criminal organization? One thing you can depend on, Victor, crooks always lie.

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Post by JulesV on Sun Dec 29, 2019 12:43 pm

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Can you show any proof of your claim of all these hoards of far right people/politicians joining the tory party...!!!???
Or are you just talking absolute shite... as usual...!!!???
I was not speaking to you, I don't speak to obnoxious gaslighting twats.
You habitually spout a load of absolute shite hence you are frequently challenged by several members on here.

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How the hell do I "PROVE" anything?  Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264

I can only make a judgement based on the integrity of the papers which report this info, and based on how many independent sources have reported the same thing.

The wording in the links themselves, says everything "flooding", "infiltrating". And it was the leaders of the two far right parties themselves who tweeted/emailed the info that the press reported. It's not hearsay. Plus Katie Hopkins who isn't the leader of any party-even UKIP rejected her. Feel free to call all 3 of them lying twats if you wish.  Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264


Links:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/28/far-right-group-britain-first-says-5000-members-joined-tories-11970687/
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/far-right-figures-flooding-to-the-conservative-party/19/12/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/28/britain-first-far-right-members-5000-have-joined-tories
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/08/24/racists-and-antisemites-openly-infiltrating-tory-party-to-vote-for-leader/
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/10/brexit-revolutionaries


Assorted excerpts from the links:
"TommyRobinson said he had become a fully paid up member "OK I have joined the Conservative Party. If you haven’t joined yet, we urge you to do so immediately"

“Senior Britain First officials and rank-and-file members have been receiving their Conservative membership cards in the post"

"Nick Boles, who was MP for Grantham and Stamford, said. “There has been a systematic operation of infiltration into the Tory party"
"In February 2019, Conservative MP David Gauke noticed something strange happening in his constituency of South West Hertfordshire."
"Not only had there been an unusual influx of new members over the previous year, but a campaign was being organised to oust him from his parliamentary seat".


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Post by JulesV on Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:13 pm

Thorin wrote:

I do not support the Tories

Am i concerned? Absolutely

Anything else?

Good! At least we agree on something.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:36 am

Idea

We know that Tommy has established himself as NF's resident neo-nazi defender and apologist...

As seen by his past history of defending his beloved BNP, and occasionally that odious EDL sewer..

And his semi-regular revisionist efforts at portraying Hitler and Mussolini as "left wing" dicktators --  anything to deflect attention from his own pro-nazi inclinations.

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Post by Lurker on Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:47 am

Russia elected their dotard spy (agent), Donald Trump, by hacking our very vulnerable voting machines all over the US. It's a proven fact. They will do it again next election because the Republicans will make sure it is a rigged election. We can't do anything about it because the Republican crime family is in charge.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:02 am

Lurker wrote:Russia elected their dotard spy (agent), Donald Trump, by hacking our very vulnerable voting machines all over the US. It's a proven fact. They will do it again next election because the Republicans will make sure it is a rigged election. We can't do anything about it because the Republican crime family is in charge.

Were they less vulnerable in 2018?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:16 pm

'Wolfie wrote:Idea

We know that Tommy has established himself as NF's resident neo-nazi defender and apologist...

As seen by his past history of defending his beloved BNP, and occasionally that odious EDL sewer..

And his semi-regular revisionist efforts at portraying Hitler and Mussolini as "left wing" dicktators --  anything to deflect attention from his own pro-nazi inclinations.


I have never defended tha BNP... and they are a far left nationalist socialist party... just look at their policies...

And Tommy Robinson and EDL are not far right either... they are not a political organisation, as such, but a protest group who are warning against the dangers of mass Muslim immigration and and raising awareness about the huge number of dangerous Muslim gangs of child rapists...



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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:27 pm

JulesV wrote:How the hell do I "PROVE" anything?  Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264

I can only make a judgement based on the integrity of the papers which report this info, and based on how many independent sources have reported the same thing.

The wording in the links themselves, says everything "flooding", "infiltrating". And it was the leaders of the two far right parties themselves who tweeted/emailed the info that the press reported. It's not hearsay. Plus Katie Hopkins who isn't the leader of any party-even UKIP rejected her. Feel free to call all 3 of them lying twats if you wish.  Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264


Links:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/28/far-right-group-britain-first-says-5000-members-joined-tories-11970687/
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/far-right-figures-flooding-to-the-conservative-party/19/12/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/28/britain-first-far-right-members-5000-have-joined-tories
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/08/24/racists-and-antisemites-openly-infiltrating-tory-party-to-vote-for-leader/
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/10/brexit-revolutionaries


Assorted excerpts from the links:
"TommyRobinson said he had become a fully paid up member "OK I have joined the Conservative Party. If you haven’t joined yet, we urge you to do so immediately"

“Senior Britain First officials and rank-and-file members have been receiving their Conservative membership cards in the post"

"Nick Boles, who was MP for Grantham and Stamford, said. “There has been a systematic operation of infiltration into the Tory party"
"In February 2019, Conservative MP David Gauke noticed something strange happening in his constituency of South West Hertfordshire."
"Not only had there been an unusual influx of new members over the previous year, but a campaign was being organised to oust him from his parliamentary seat".



If you believe that lefty propaganda then you need your head examined to see where your brain has disappeared to...!


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Post by Lurker on Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:45 pm

If you believe that lefty propaganda then you need your head examined to see where your brain has disappeared to...!
A Donald Trump party response....

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Post by Maddog on Mon Dec 30, 2019 3:55 pm

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If you believe that lefty propaganda then you need your head examined to see where your brain has disappeared to...!
A Donald Trump party response....

Did the Russians rig the 2018 elections?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:35 pm

Maddog wrote:
Lurker wrote:
A Donald Trump party response....

Did the Russians rig the 2018 elections?

They tried.  The one thing that defeats the Russian manipulators is an overwhelming voter response.

The Internet Research Agency (IRA) of the Russian Army tinkers with more remote strategies like targeting the electoral college, and strategically selected voter machines in backward states, and in less technically advanced districts.  They work in quiet, predictable backwaters.  The measure of the quietude determines their effectiveness.  IRA manipulations are inevitably incremental, and can be overwhelmed by an unpredictable flood of voters acting with the same sentiment and purpose.  This is what happened in 2018 elections.

If you want the particulars, buy and read a book by Luke Harding, titled Collusion: Secret Meetings, Dirty Money, and How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win (2017).  It has the whole story in documented detail.  https://www.amazon.com/Collusion-Secret-Meetings-Russia-Helped/dp/0525562516

See also, “The Cambridge Analytica Files: I Made Steve Bannon’s Psychological warfare Tool: Meet the Data War Whistleblower”, in The Guardian (17 March 2018).  
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistleblower-christopher-wylie-faceook-nix-bannon-trump

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Post by 'Wolfie on Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:38 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
JulesV wrote:How the hell do I "PROVE" anything?  Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264

I can only make a judgement based on the integrity of the papers which report this info, and based on how many independent sources have reported the same thing.

The wording in the links themselves, says everything "flooding", "infiltrating". And it was the leaders of the two far right parties themselves who tweeted/emailed the info that the press reported. It's not hearsay. Plus Katie Hopkins who isn't the leader of any party-even UKIP rejected her. Feel free to call all 3 of them lying twats if you wish.  Speech, thought and culture are being policed on a terrifying scale. 2190311264


Links:
https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/28/far-right-group-britain-first-says-5000-members-joined-tories-11970687/
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/far-right-figures-flooding-to-the-conservative-party/19/12/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/28/britain-first-far-right-members-5000-have-joined-tories
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2018/08/24/racists-and-antisemites-openly-infiltrating-tory-party-to-vote-for-leader/
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/brexit/2019/10/brexit-revolutionaries


Assorted excerpts from the links:
"TommyRobinson said he had become a fully paid up member "OK I have joined the Conservative Party. If you haven’t joined yet, we urge you to do so immediately"

“Senior Britain First officials and rank-and-file members have been receiving their Conservative membership cards in the post"

"Nick Boles, who was MP for Grantham and Stamford, said. “There has been a systematic operation of infiltration into the Tory party"
"In February 2019, Conservative MP David Gauke noticed something strange happening in his constituency of South West Hertfordshire."
"Not only had there been an unusual influx of new members over the previous year, but a campaign was being organised to oust him from his parliamentary seat".



If you believe that lefty propaganda then you need your head examined to see where your brain has disappeared to...!


lol!
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Way to go, you anti-worker, anti-welfare, anti-education, pro-corporatist mongrels..

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