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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Dec 17, 2019 4:36 pm

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The TL/DR is that it all ends up symbolizing a threat to their balls. But it's worth a look:

While these examples might feel like mere coincidence to some, the idea that white men would lead the attacks on Greta Thunberg is consistent with a growing body of research linking gender reactionaries to climate-denialism—some of the research coming from Thunberg’s own country. Researchers at Sweden’s Chalmers University of Technology, which recently launched the world’s first academic research center to study climate denialism, have for years been examining a link between climate deniers and the anti-feminist far-right.

In 2014, Jonas Anshelm and Martin Hultman of Chalmers published a paper analyzing the language of a focus group of climate skeptics. The common themes in the group, they said, were striking: “for climate skeptics … it was not the environment that was threatened, it was a certain kind of modern industrial society built and dominated by their form of masculinity.”

The connection has to do with a sense of group identity under threat, Hultman told me—an identity they perceive to be under threat from all sides. Besieged, as they see it, both by developing gender equality—Hultman pointed specifically to the shock some men felt at the #MeToo movement—and now climate activism’s challenge to their way of life, male reactionaries motivated by right-wing nationalism, anti-feminism, and climate denialism increasingly overlap, the three reactions feeding off of one another.

Climate science, for skeptics, becomes feminized—or viewed as “oppositional to assumed entitlements of masculine primacy.”
“There is a package of values and behaviors connected to a form of masculinity that I call ‘industrial breadwinner masculinity.’ They see the world as separated between humans and nature. They believe humans are obliged to use nature and its resources to make products out of them. And they have a risk perception that nature will tolerate all types of waste. It’s a risk perception that doesn’t think of nature as vulnerable and as something that is possible to be destroyed. For them, economic growth is more important than the environment” Hultman told Deutsche Welle last year.

The corollary to this is that climate science, for skeptics, becomes feminized—or viewed as “oppositional to assumed entitlements of masculine primacy,” Hultman and fellow researcher Paul Pulé wrote in another paper.

https://newrepublic.com/article/154879/misogyny-climate-deniers?fbclid=IwAR2lyhMw3npMJi2luwJTvmQqa1IKESOmRFJZEFbRVTzyV1BOQhHI66wwWXs

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Post by Maddog on Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:19 am

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It wouldn't apply to energy per se, but it would apply to any machines and vehicles that became obsolete or banned.  

Of course. It would have been better if we'd started trying to fix this back in the 80s and 90s, when we wouldn't have had to ban any machinery and could simply have allowed it to become obsolete.

There has to be technological advances to create the obsolescence.

It's getting there. But until we have electric planes, enjoy your train and boat rides back to the UK.

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Post by Maddog on Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:21 am

eddie wrote:Okay, this is my take on all of this.

I have one question, firstly.

WHAT has her age got to do with her opinion? Are we to believe that we only know our own minds when we hit the age of 20? 33? 45?

At what age would she have to be, that we would find her views as “acceptable”?

Someone tell me, please.

Why are minors given special protections under the law?

Should kids be allowed to work in coal mines?

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Dec 22, 2019 2:45 pm

Maddog wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:I just find this gob-smackingly unbelievable. Who says shit like this about the majority of grown-up politicians, let alone teen girls?

It reminds me of when right-wing pundit Rush Limbaugh called 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton the White House dog. Seriously???

Is it OK to disagree with her and think she is being used and hidden behind?

It's OK to be scared, but not to build up your defenses by making shit up.

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Post by eddie on Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:05 pm

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eddie wrote:Okay, this is my take on all of this.

I have one question, firstly.

WHAT has her age got to do with her opinion? Are we to believe that we only know our own minds when we hit the age of 20? 33? 45?

At what age would she have to be, that we would find her views as “acceptable”?

Someone tell me, please.

Why are minors given special protections under the law?

Should kids be allowed to work in coal mines?

That answer didn’t answer any of the questions that I asked though, did it?

And coal mines are a different topic to opinions, wouldn’t you say? Rolling Eyes

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Dec 23, 2019 3:07 pm

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It wouldn't apply to energy per se, but it would apply to any machines and vehicles that became obsolete or banned.  

Of course. It would have been better if we'd started trying to fix this back in the 80s and 90s, when we wouldn't have had to ban any machinery and could simply have allowed it to become obsolete.

There has to be technological advances to create the obsolescence.  

It's getting there. But until we have electric planes, enjoy your train and boat rides back to the UK.  

That sounds like a wonderful time, actually! Sure, it would take a long time, but I'd enjoy the hell out of it, and I might not even have to take off my shoes at the train depot or the port.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:43 pm

eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Why are minors given special protections under the law?

Should kids be allowed to work in coal mines?

That answer didn’t answer any of the questions that I asked though, did it?

And coal mines are a different topic to opinions, wouldn’t you say? Rolling Eyes

It addresses why we treat 16 year olds differently than adults, regardless of what they think.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Dec 23, 2019 4:49 pm

eddie wrote:Okay, this is my take on all of this.

I have one question, firstly.

WHAT has her age got to do with her opinion? Are we to believe that we only know our own minds when we hit the age of 20? 33? 45?

At what age would she have to be, that we would find her views as “acceptable”?

Someone tell me, please.

I have to agree.  There is no evidence (1) that age has anything to do with it, (2) that anyone is influencing her, or (3) that a teenager can't be just as advance-thinking and forthcoming as any older parson.

As far as precocious is concerned, the term is a compliment.  It means:

dictionary.cambridge.org/.../english/precocious
precocious adjective. uk ​ /prɪˈkəʊ.ʃəs/ us ​ /prəˈkoʊ.ʃəs/. › (especially of children) showing mental development or achievement much earlier than usual...

Two of my daughters attended precocious child programs during their summers in high school, one at Harvard and one at Arizona...one is a Harvard grad and a lawyer today, the other is a physician saving lives.  If Greta is precocious, ask where I can send the check.  She deserves it.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Why right-wing men are so pissed off by the likes of Greta and AOC - Page 2 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRR8U7UN_sJjZcv8_d8JgpTIOeGvhfkiXUNYqCM26AS1CXM-Q


As you can see from graph above... most of the last 10000 years has been warmer/as warm as today... while CO2 levels were slightly lower than today...




We've been in a 600 year long cooler period (known as the little ice age) compared to the last 10,000 years... now we are out of it and returning to what is the long term normal temps that we have had during most of the last 10,000 years...



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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:53 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Why right-wing men are so pissed off by the likes of Greta and AOC - Page 2 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRR8U7UN_sJjZcv8_d8JgpTIOeGvhfkiXUNYqCM26AS1CXM-Q


As you can see from graph above... most of the last 10000 years has been warmer/as warm as today... while CO2 levels were slightly lower than today...




We've been in a 600 year long cooler period (known as the little ice age) compared to the last 10,000 years... now we are out of it and returning to what is the long term normal temps that we have had during most of the last 10,000 years...



https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=337

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Dec 24, 2019 12:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Why right-wing men are so pissed off by the likes of Greta and AOC - Page 2 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRR8U7UN_sJjZcv8_d8JgpTIOeGvhfkiXUNYqCM26AS1CXM-Q


As you can see from graph above... most of the last 10000 years has been warmer/as warm as today... while CO2 levels were slightly lower than today...




We've been in a 600 year long cooler period (known as the little ice age) compared to the last 10,000 years... now we are out of it and returning to what is the long term normal temps that we have had during most of the last 10,000 years...
Rolling Eyes

I call "bullshit" on all your fucking polluting--corporation lies,  Tommy...

Those charts are lies;
Your claims are lies;
You are a fucking lying toady shill.

That "600 year mini ice age" is a myth --  disproven many times on here over the past couple of years, yet you keep on repeating your outright lies.. 

Take your fake lying propaganda and idiotic claims and "shove it up where the sun don't shine",  Tommy.

P.S.  And have a happy freezing & flooded Christmas and a Smoggy New Year, you pathetic troll..

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Post by nicko on Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:17 pm

Isn't Wolfie a nice Man, bet he doesn't get many Xmas Cards !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:28 pm



It's not bullshit at all... its the data from the GISP2 ice core study in Greenland...!


Maybe you could post up the 'real' data, if you think the above is 'false' in any way...???


Come on...!!!???


Let's see what you've got...!!!???






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Just for fleakeeper... who refuses to believe the truth...


https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/


Enjoy!



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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:43 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Just for fleakeeper... who refuses to believe the truth...


https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/


Enjoy!



https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=337

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Post by eddie on Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:47 pm

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eddie wrote:Okay, this is my take on all of this.

I have one question, firstly.

WHAT has her age got to do with her opinion? Are we to believe that we only know our own minds when we hit the age of 20? 33? 45?

At what age would she have to be, that we would find her views as “acceptable”?

Someone tell me, please.

I have to agree.  There is no evidence (1) that age has anything to do with it, (2) that anyone is influencing her, or (3) that a teenager can't be just as advance-thinking and forthcoming as any older parson.

As far as precocious is concerned, the term is a compliment.  It means:

dictionary.cambridge.org/.../english/precocious
precocious adjective. uk ​ /prɪˈkəʊ.ʃəs/ us ​ /prəˈkoʊ.ʃəs/. › (especially of children) showing mental development or achievement much earlier than usual...

Two of my daughters attended precocious child programs during their summers in high school, one at Harvard and one at Arizona...one is a Harvard grad and a lawyer today, the other is a physician saving lives.  If Greta is precocious, ask where I can send the check.  She deserves it.

Thank you for answering my questions. And well done to your “precocious” daughters, my son must also be precocious seeing as he got a scholarship to Cambridge.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:48 pm

Maddog wrote:
eddie wrote:
Maddog wrote:

Why are minors given special protections under the law?

Should kids be allowed to work in coal mines?

That answer didn’t answer any of the questions that I asked though, did it?

And coal mines are a different topic to opinions, wouldn’t you say? Rolling Eyes

It addresses why we treat 16 year olds differently than adults, regardless of what they think.

Are 16-year-olds incapable of learning about scientific findings?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:02 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Just for fleakeeper... who refuses to believe the truth...


https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/


Enjoy!



https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=337


The main argument in that... is that the graph I showed has its dates wrong over the last 150 years...

But... as we know that it is now a little bit warmer than 150 years ago... but only by about estimated 0.7 C... so graph still stands!!!



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Post by eddie on Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:15 pm

The thread is about a girl...not a debate about climate change.

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Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Just for fleakeeper... who refuses to believe the truth...


https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/


Enjoy!



https://skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=337


The main argument in that... is that the graph I showed has its dates wrong over the last 150 years...

But... as we know that it is now a little bit warmer than 150 years ago... but only by about estimated 0.7 C... so graph still stands!!!



The main argument in that is that the graph only represents Greenland, not the entire world.

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And yes, this is about why GT pisses off right-wing men, not about climate change.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Just for fleakeeper... who refuses to believe the truth...


https://www.eh-resources.org/little-ice-age/


Enjoy!


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And you think that is a reputable reference, Tommy...

No wonder you're such a willing recipient for the Koch bros./Monckton-led anti-science propaganda pieces flooding the Internet these days..

No proper scientific publication would refer to a cooling period in Northern Europe as any kind of "ice age" when it was simply no such thing :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

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Post by Maddog on Tue Dec 24, 2019 5:25 pm

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It addresses why we treat 16 year olds differently than adults, regardless of what they think.

Are 16-year-olds incapable of learning about scientific findings?

Of course not.

In theory they could do open heart surgery too. Ask Dr Doogie Howser.

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Post by eddie on Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:05 pm

So Maddog, at what age do you consider a human being capable of knowing their own mind?

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:12 pm

eddie wrote:my son must also be precocious seeing as he got a scholarship to Cambridge.

Congratulations. Well done. Smile

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