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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:01 pm

I don’t know why this seems so hard for people to follow.

What is the point of clicking on a thread, reading the OP and then deciding you’re going to reply in a way that means you’re not addressing the actual point because of who posted it up?

There’s no point in deciding what someone’s “agenda” is and then posting a reply to that effect, that’s not debating, is it? Perhaps they do have an agenda - who knows - but the point of a debate is to address the post not the poster.

Let’s all try it and see what happens.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:04 pm

eddie wrote:I don’t know why this seems so hard for people to follow.

What is the point of clicking on a thread, reading the OP and then deciding you’re going to reply in a way that means you’re not addressing the actual point because of who posted it up?

There’s no point in deciding what someone’s “agenda” is and then posting a reply to that effect, that’s not debating, is it?  Perhaps they do have an agenda - who knows - but the point of a debate is to address the post not the poster.

Let’s all try it and see what happens.  
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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:06 pm

Dean!! Jesus, what happened to your manners?

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:11 pm

I’m sure you all get the point.

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:11 pm

Original Quill wrote:Dean!!  Jesus, what happened to your manners?

lol!

You defend your little mate when he repeatedly talks to several posters like that.....why pull someone else when they do it....for a joke?

As for the thread title....it aint gonna happen the way things are going. Lately this forum has become a free for all with all manner of abuse, probably why some people hardly ever post anymore. Answer the post, not the poster.  2190311264

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:22 pm

Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Dean!!  Jesus, what happened to your manners?

lol!

You defend your little mate when he repeatedly talks to several posters like that.....why pull someone else when they do it....for a joke?

Who is my mate...Eds? Who am I pulling...deanx?

Syl wrote:As for the thread title....it aint gonna happen the way things are going. Lately this forum has become a free for all with all manner of abuse, probably why some people hardly ever post anymore. Answer the post, not the poster.  2190311264

Right, so let's have a slug fest, and kick and fook everyone in sight.

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:25 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

lol!

You defend your little mate when he repeatedly talks to several posters like that.....why pull someone else when they do it....for a joke?

Who is my mate...Eds?  Who am I pulling...deanx?

Syl wrote:As for the thread title....it aint gonna happen the way things are going. Lately this forum has become a free for all with all manner of abuse, probably why some people hardly ever post anymore. Answer the post, not the poster.  2190311264

Right, so let's have a slug fest, and kick and fook everyone in sight.  

cheers

1...Wetwipe.

2....Nah...there has been too much of that lately, anyway I am a lover not a fighter. I love you

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:35 pm

I know it can be hard, but it is a lot more fair to the poster to try to leave out what you know about them and judge each post from them on its own merits.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:44 pm

Basically, enter every thread without bias and bingo, you have a true debate.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:49 pm

Good luck.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:51 pm

Original Quill wrote:Good luck.

How about “That’s a good idea eds, lets try it”?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:53 pm

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Good luck.

How about “That’s a good idea eds, lets try it”?

That too. But "Good luck" covers more options.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:00 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Good luck.

How about “That’s a good idea eds, lets try it”?

That too.  But "Good luck" covers more options.

It doesn’t need luck it needs common sense, an open mind and leaving ones ego at the door.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:14 pm

eddie wrote:
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That too.  But "Good luck" covers more options.

It doesn’t need luck it needs common sense, an open mind and leaving ones ego at the door.

Good luck. Rolling Eyes

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:15 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:
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That too.  But "Good luck" covers more options.

It doesn’t need luck it needs common sense, an open mind and leaving ones ego at the door.

Good luck. Rolling Eyes

Hahahahhha I take your point. Razz

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Post by JulesV on Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:30 pm

@ title
"Answer the post, not the poster"


Agree. This is the cardinal rule pretty much everywhere, and yes, ideally this is what we should all aspire to. It's a human trait to fall short of the ideal, tho. Smile

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Post by JulesV on Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:34 pm

I'd like to add one more suggestion [I've already referenced it in another thread]: 
I don't care for stuff from other sites being imported & used in arguments on this site, when people are addressing me. 

I don't do this to others and I'd like them to afford me the same courtesy. Ta.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:47 pm

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:50 pm

Very good.

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Post by Maddog on Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:51 pm

eddie wrote:Very good.

Most people that spend anytime on the internet know what an ad hominem attack is, and why it's a logical fallacy.

Not here though.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:08 pm

for MY tuppence worth, I'd suggest folks read the threads carefully and see just WHO is INSTIGATING the "personal" attacks. Look who IS indulging in constant, boring, repetitive ad hominem nonsense ususally and almost exclusively WITHOUT contributing ANYTHING of value by way of counter argument to that thread...Just go look who makes the most noise for the least content........

I can tell you without doubt it is NOT those of a right leaning (or even far right leaning) inclination. The Devil You Know, Tommy, and smelly, whilst controvertial rarely indulge in that behaviour.

I dont too often agree with Tommy, smelly et al, but at least i engage their POINTS.

what Andy and wolfie (and those of like ilk) fail to understand, to a neutral observer, with no axe to grind, IF you have to resort to your usual childish schoolyard insults, then you have already lost the argument AND gained a reputation for being nothing but a loudmouthed blowhard. At least quill is educated and eloquent (usually), which makes him a far more entertaining adversary when I'm feeling adversarial........ Razz

dont particularly agree with Smelly often (the abortion thread for instance) BUT his points are powerful if uncomfortable and deserve proper and considered counter points....At the moment I haven't got time due to spending time dealing with the affairs from my late fathers estate.......You might not like his argument, but you got to admit its well crafted

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:14 pm

Perfectly fair and honest post. You make some very good points.
Not that anyone will agree, of course.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:16 pm

eddie wrote:Perfectly fair and honest post. You make some very good points.
Not that anyone will agree, of course.

I dont expect or desire that everyone should agree, what I EXPECT is rational and sensible counter arguments rather than the crap that I expect will fly this way from certain quarters...thus proving my point. Twisted Evil

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:17 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
eddie wrote:Perfectly fair and honest post. You make some very good points.
Not that anyone will agree, of course.

I dont expect or desire that everyone should agree, what I EXPECT is rational and sensible counter arguments rather than the crap that I expect will fly this way from certain quarters...thus proving my point. Twisted Evil

I know what you’re saying Vic. I’ve said similar myself.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:22 pm

Personally i LIKE the controvertial poster, keeps us rational and pragmatic types on our intellectual toes.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:37 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Personally i LIKE the controvertial poster, keeps us rational and pragmatic types on our intellectual toes.

I LOVE a controversial poster! I love a mix of people.
Who wants plain boiled rice when you can have some spice?

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Post by Eilzel on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:38 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Personally i LIKE the controvertial poster, keeps us rational and pragmatic types on our intellectual toes.

Me too! I honestly like everyone being here, including the provocateurs, the repetitive C&Pers, the serial mud slingers and the veiled bigots (see what I did there? Wink ). While everyone including me could do better, I wouldn't want anyone here now to leave Smile

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:40 pm

Eilzel wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Personally i LIKE the controvertial poster, keeps us rational and pragmatic types on our intellectual toes.

Me too! I honestly like everyone being here, including the provocateurs, the repetitive C&Pers, the serial mud slingers and the veiled bigots (see what I did there? Wink  ). While everyone including me could do better, I wouldn't want anyone here now to leave Smile

Well said you gorgeous creature Razz

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:46 am

Jules wrote:I'd like to add one more suggestion [I've already referenced it in another thread]: 
I don't care for stuff from other sites being imported & used in arguments on this site, when people are addressing me. 

I don't do this to others and I'd like them to afford me the same courtesy. Ta.
sometimes context and history has some bearing on why it happens.
I am not sure why that appears to happen with wolfie as I never set eyes on on it until I came here but he was apparently all primed and ready to go from practically my first post. Odd that, almost as if he was coached.


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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:57 am

I'm sure most of us have likes and dislikes, if you find a poster to be an egotistical arsehole or a foul mouthed idiot you are not going to respond to his/her posts in the same way you would to someone more civilised.

There are a minority of posters I try to  avoid. Personally I find it hard to hold a decent conversation in one thread with someone who has called me a cunt, a slag or a liar in a previous thread.

So....in that respect I will never respond to the post not the poster....I prefer to ignore not debate with them.Twisted Evil

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Post by JulesV on Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:42 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Jules wrote:I'd like to add one more suggestion [I've already referenced it in another thread]: 
I don't care for stuff from other sites being imported & used in arguments on this site, when people are addressing me. 

I don't do this to others and I'd like them to afford me the same courtesy. Ta.
sometimes context and history has some bearing on why it happens.
I am not sure why that appears to happen with wolfie as I never set on on it until I came here but he was apparently all primed and ready to go from practically my first post. Odd that, almost as if he was coached.

I see.
I've been here 2 years so I know most of the regular NF members now. But I don't know any of the forums that you all keep mentioning.

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Post by 'Wolfie on Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:46 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Jules wrote:I'd like to add one more suggestion [I've already referenced it in another thread]: 
I don't care for stuff from other sites being imported & used in arguments on this site, when people are addressing me. 

I don't do this to others and I'd like them to afford me the same courtesy. Ta.
sometimes context and history has some bearing on why it happens.
I am not sure why that appears to happen with wolfie as I never set on on it until I came here but he was apparently all primed and ready to go from practically my first post. Odd that, almost as if he was coached.

scratch

You really are  one fucking idiot,  DYKhead...

I don't have a single fucking clue what you're gibbering on about here..

You slimy troublemaking troll.

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Post by Maddog on Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:59 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
sometimes context and history has some bearing on why it happens.
I am not sure why that appears to happen with wolfie as I never set on on it until I came here but he was apparently all primed and ready to go from practically my first post. Odd that, almost as if he was coached.

scratch

You really are  one fucking idiot,  DYKhead...

I don't have a single fucking clue what you're gibbering on about here..

You slimy troublemaking troll.
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Post by The Devil, You Know on Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:23 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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sometimes context and history has some bearing on why it happens.
I am not sure why that appears to happen with wolfie as I never set on on it until I came here but he was apparently all primed and ready to go from practically my first post. Odd that, almost as if he was coached.

scratch

You really are  one fucking idiot,  DYKhead...

I don't have a single fucking clue what you're gibbering on about here..

You slimy troublemaking troll.
how many times does he have to prove my point i wonder before the penny drops

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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:46 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
scratch

You really are  one fucking idiot,  DYKhead...

I don't have a single fucking clue what you're gibbering on about here..

You slimy troublemaking troll.
how many times does he have to prove my point i wonder before the penny drops

But you are not the only one by a long shot.
Both HT and myself were in his firing line for no apparent reason, as soon as I joined he started the name calling....I have no idea why, and it's carried on ever since.
As far as I know I never posted on any other forum he was on, so he couldn't have carried a grudge over, I guess sometimes people choose to hate for no reason. Rolling Eyes

I think everyone has to accept that forums attract some people we wouldn't be mixing with in real life....thats why imo it's better to ignore than to try to reason, I know from experience that some people just cant be reasoned with.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:56 pm

Original Quill wrote:Dean!!  Jesus, what happened to your manners?

whats the point in manners when youre fighting in the gutter (which is what this place is)


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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:57 pm

eddie wrote:Answer the post, not the poster.  Aff0dc10

except for the fact that i AM superior to most of you on here in intellect, so your tramp looking bloke can eat shit

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:59 pm

Ah bless you. Glad you’re feeling better about yourself now.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:01 pm

Syl wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
how many times does he have to prove my point i wonder before the penny drops

But you are not the only one by a long shot.
Both HT and myself were in his firing line for no apparent reason, as soon as I joined he started the name calling....I have no idea why, and it's carried on ever since.
As far as I know I never posted on any other forum he was on, so he couldn't have carried a grudge over, I guess sometimes people choose to hate for no reason. Rolling Eyes

I think everyone has to accept that forums attract some people we wouldn't be mixing with in real life....thats why imo it's better to ignore than to try to reason, I know from experience that some people just cant be reasoned with.

When I first joined, Wolfman insisted I must be someone he already knew. I remember he said there's no such thing as a real Raggamuffin. Laughing

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Post by Syl on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:03 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:

But you are not the only one by a long shot.
Both HT and myself were in his firing line for no apparent reason, as soon as I joined he started the name calling....I have no idea why, and it's carried on ever since.
As far as I know I never posted on any other forum he was on, so he couldn't have carried a grudge over, I guess sometimes people choose to hate for no reason. Rolling Eyes

I think everyone has to accept that forums attract some people we wouldn't be mixing with in real life....thats why imo it's better to ignore than to try to reason, I know from experience that some people just cant be reasoned with.

When I first joined, Wolfman insisted I must be someone he already knew. I remember he said there's no such thing as a real Raggamuffin. Laughing

Very odd. Maybe he is just scared of women. scratch

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:27 pm

Can we not sit here ridiculing people please. Kind of shits all over my request.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:31 pm

eddie wrote:Can we not sit here ridiculing people please. Kind of shits all over my request.

I'm just being honest. I thought you liked that. snobby

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:

But you are not the only one by a long shot.
Both HT and myself were in his firing line for no apparent reason, as soon as I joined he started the name calling....I have no idea why, and it's carried on ever since.
As far as I know I never posted on any other forum he was on, so he couldn't have carried a grudge over, I guess sometimes people choose to hate for no reason. Rolling Eyes

I think everyone has to accept that forums attract some people we wouldn't be mixing with in real life....thats why imo it's better to ignore than to try to reason, I know from experience that some people just cant be reasoned with.

When I first joined, Wolfman insisted I must be someone he already knew. I remember he said there's no such thing as a real Raggamuffin. Laughing

He's probably verging on senile. He did the same to me. Was convinced I was from a certain forum and had a certain agenda. Silly old fool.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:34 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Can we not sit here ridiculing people please. Kind of shits all over my request.

I'm just being honest. I thought you liked that. snobby


hahahaha.... Ben did insist.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:36 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

When I first joined, Wolfman insisted I must be someone he already knew. I remember he said there's no such thing as a real Raggamuffin. Laughing

Very odd. Maybe he is just scared of women. scratch

Probably needs a good shag. Perhaps Didge could offer to do him in poo harbour on the Number 27 as it passes by the Cunt & Trumpet.
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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:38 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:Can we not sit here ridiculing people please. Kind of shits all over my request.

I'm just being honest. I thought you liked that. snobby


hahahaha.... Ben did insist.

That’s fine. But then there should be no moaning about wolf and didge when they’re “being honest”.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:39 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
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Very odd. Maybe he is just scared of women. scratch

Probably needs a good shag.   Perhaps Didge could offer to do him in poo harbour on the Number 27 as it passes by the Cunt & Trumpet.

Whew! Shocked You sound like that lady cop, a thread or two over. Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:47 pm

eddie wrote:
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hahahaha.... Ben did insist.

That’s fine. But then there should be no moaning about wolf and didge when they’re “being honest”.

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They're not honest, they're just abusive and arrogant. There is a difference you know.

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:54 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:


hahahaha.... Ben did insist.

That’s fine. But then there should be no moaning about wolf and didge when they’re “being honest”.

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They're not honest, they're just abusive and arrogant. There is a difference you know.

Okay. If you say so.

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