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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:43 pm

in particular note the addition to what will be considered "doxing"

This applies to ALL members from this point onward... 22:42:22 04.08.2016

whats been done in the past is past...




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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:49 pm

Lord Foul wrote:in particular note the addition to what will be considered  "doxing"

This applies to ALL members from this point onward... 22:42:22  04.08.2016  

whats been done in the past is past...





Has someone tried to dox one of us?
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:50 pm

I see what you have added under "doxing". I think the prohibition on doxing should go to any kind of conversation about a person or his or her background, other than what the person has disclosed. A lot of 'reverse' doxing goes on, where someone tries to claim someone is not as represented.

That is equally offensive, and done for the same reason. It is an attempt to "out" a person, or make him or her out to be something other than represented.
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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:51 pm

You have to be very careful. It's going to become a place where nothing can be said...?

One can have AN OPINION on whether they think someone is married, or a butcher, baker or candlestick maker....
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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:53 pm

I personally don't care who anyone is. Or which other forum they frequent.
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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:54 pm

Me neither really, unless they're here to disrupt or cause trouble.
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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:54 pm

which is why I didnt go down the route quill has mooted

the balance between reasonable rules and decency should not favour a too precriptive approach...

The issue I have tried to address is not one of opinion though
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2016 10:58 pm

Just to clarify, what about someone who continually says you are lying when you are talking about life experiences that are relavent to a thread, not once, but over and over again on many threads?

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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:04 pm

Report them for harassment
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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:07 pm

Well, really sassy you have to ask yourself what credibility the person you are referring to has..... Please re read the site rules 2190311264

just like IRL.

I'm sure YOUR credibility is sufficient to "carry the day" as it were Wink
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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:08 pm

sassy wrote:Just to clarify, what about someone who continually says you are lying when you are talking about life experiences that are relavent to a thread, not once, but over and over again on many threads?

Take it on the chin. Who cares if they don't believe you.
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Post by Miffs2 on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:09 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Well, really sassy you have to ask yourself what credibility the person you are referring to has..... Please re read the site rules 2190311264

just like IRL.

I'm sure YOUR credibility is sufficient to "carry the day" as it were Wink  
Nicely put Lord F  Smile
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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:10 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
sassy wrote:Just to clarify, what about someone who continually says you are lying when you are talking about life experiences that are relavent to a thread, not once, but over and over again on many threads?

Take it on the chin.  Who cares if they don't believe you.

Exactly, and the only rule they may be breaking if they continually do so all over a thread is harassment.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:11 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Well, really sassy you have to ask yourself what credibility the person you are referring to has..... Please re read the site rules 2190311264

just like IRL.

I'm sure YOUR credibility is sufficient to "carry the day" as it were Wink  


So can I hex 'em? Razz Razz Razz

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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:18 pm

sassy wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:Well, really sassy you have to ask yourself what credibility the person you are referring to has..... Please re read the site rules 2190311264

just like IRL.

I'm sure YOUR credibility is sufficient to "carry the day" as it were Wink  


So can I hex 'em? Razz Razz Razz

No. That wasn't really on tbh and you followed him round the board asking him if his head hurt. It was werid and not in a good way.
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:26 pm

sassy wrote:Just to clarify, what about someone who continually says you are lying when you are talking about life experiences that are relavent to a thread, not once, but over and over again on many threads?

That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's just as antagonistic as any 'wrongful' thing said about someone. It's just doxing in reverse. It should be disallowed, even under present rules if doxing is properly understood.

BTW, why is it so important to talk about someone, anyway? If something in one's background qualifies someone to speak and add some information to the subject, fine. That's legitimate. But what is legitimate about going off on a binge simply to try to discredit someone. WTF is the topic of conversation, when one is trying to discredit someone. That's not legitimate.

The point is, we should be talking about a subject, not dissing each other.
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:29 pm

eddie wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Take it on the chin.  Who cares if they don't believe you.

Exactly, and the only rule they may be breaking if they continually do so all over a thread is harassment.

I think that's dead wrong. Doxing is doxing, whether its affirmative or in reverse.
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Post by Miffs2 on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:31 pm

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So can I hex 'em? Razz Razz Razz

No. That wasn't really on tbh and you followed him round the board asking him if his head hurt. It was werid and not in a good way.
Who was followed round the board by Sassy? That's what she has been accusing me of lol. Either she is totally lacking in self awareness or a rip roaring hypocrite. Could be both   Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:33 pm

Answer the post, not the poster, it's the only way to debate.
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:39 pm

Yeah, I don't want to personify this thing.  Lord knows, sassy and I have gone around, and she made it a career of looking me up, over on SF--haha, to the extent that she is now the authority on me whenever I need back-up.

But, I'm just speaking abstractly now.  Doxing is doxing, and to say someone is not xxx is just as bad as saying someone is xxx.


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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:40 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

Take it on the chin.  Who cares if they don't believe you.

Exactly, and the only rule they may be breaking if they continually do so all over a thread is harassment.

I think that's dead wrong.  Doxing is doxing, whether its affirmative or in reverse.

It can be dealt with under "disruption and or harrasment" quill

to try to legislate against it leads to running up against "freedom of opinion"

I mean...its perfectly resonable to cast aspersions at anothers claim to greatness...lets face it anyone can claim to be anything, and anyone has a right to doubt that claim ...and say so...

BUT where it all goes pear shaped and needs dealing with .....is when it becomes a "hobby" as Sassy rightly says ...when someone is following you around accusing you of lying over everything you say....that will not be tolerated any more.....

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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:41 pm

Well that is nice to know.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:44 pm

there is a caveat to that of course......


IF I know about it.....as I have said before...I try to read the last few posts off every thread that flags as having new posts....for obvious reasons I dont always succeed...

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:45 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I think that's dead wrong.  Doxing is doxing, whether its affirmative or in reverse.

It can be dealt with under "disruption and or harrasment" quill

I'm just trying to be logical.  

Lord Foul wrote:to try to legislate against it leads to running up against "freedom of opinion"

An opinion that one shouldn't be expressing, if out mission is to discuss topics and not each other.

Lord Foul wrote:I mean...its perfectly resonable to cast aspersions at anothers claim to greatness...lets face it anyone can claim to be anything, and anyone has a right to doubt that claim ...and say so...

So...so what?  That's not what we are about.  As eds says, we should be addressing a topic, not the person.

Lord Foul wrote:BUT where it all goes pear shaped and needs dealing with .....is when it becomes a "hobby" as Sassy rightly says ...when someone is following you around accusing you of lying over everything you say....that will not be tolerated any more.....

I don't know anything about Sassy's situation.  I just saw what she was saying in the abstract, and picked up on it.


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Post by eddie on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:45 pm

Miffs2 wrote:D
eddie wrote:
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So can I hex 'em? Razz Razz Razz

No. That wasn't really on tbh and you followed him round the board asking him if his head hurt. It was werid and not in a good way.
Who was followed round the board by Sassy? That's what she has been accusing me of lol. Either she is totally lacking in self awareness or a rip roaring hypocrite. Could be both   Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

It was storm after she hexed him.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:48 pm

eddie wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:D

Who was followed round the board by Sassy? That's what she has been accusing me of lol. Either she is totally lacking in self awareness or a rip roaring hypocrite. Could be both   Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

It was storm after she hexed him.


After he told me I was lying about my daughter, when we had been having a discussion about bereavement, think it was with Syl, and how it effects you.  If he does it again he'll get more than bloody hexing.

And amazingly it seems even with the new rules she can only post about me.

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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:50 pm

yeah well stop with the insane expectations...

I can only make changes either with bens agreement, or where I'm confident he WOULD agree, if he's not there to ask directly....Its NOT my forum...

AND iI can only relistically make these changes slowly so as to give em time to "sink in"

and of course they are of necessity "reactive" rather than proactive

so far only you and raggs have had rules altered/added at your request Razz

(well thats to say in response to "but theres no rule against that") Twisted Evil


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Post by Miffs2 on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:51 pm

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eddie wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:D

Who was followed round the board by Sassy? That's what she has been accusing me of lol. Either she is totally lacking in self awareness or a rip roaring hypocrite. Could be both   Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

It was storm after she hexed him.

So sassy can add rip roaring hypocrite to her cv.

Hexing someone?! Have you ever heard anything so utterly pathetic and contemptible ?
More to be pitied than scolded I suppose
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:52 pm

Lord Foul wrote:yeah well stop with the insane expectations...

I can only make changes either with bens agreement, or where I'm confident he WOULD agree, if he's not there to ask directly....Its NOT my forum...

AND iI can only relistically make these changes slowly so as to give em time to "sink in"

and of course they are of necessity "reactive" rather than proactive

so far only you and raggs have had rules altered/added at your request  Razz

(well thats to say in response to  "but theres no rule against that")  Twisted Evil




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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:52 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:

It was storm after she hexed him.


After he told me I was lying about my daughter, when we had been having a discussion about bereavement, think it was with Syl, and how it effects you.  If he does it again he'll get more than bloody hexing.

And amazingly it seems even with the new rules she can only post about me.

Oh, I remember that. Yeah, though I stayed out of it, I thought that was a bit off-color.
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Post by Guest on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:53 pm

Original Quill wrote:
sassy wrote:


After he told me I was lying about my daughter, when we had been having a discussion about bereavement, think it was with Syl, and how it effects you.  If he does it again he'll get more than bloody hexing.

And amazingly it seems even with the new rules she can only post about me.

Oh, I remember that.  Yeah, though I stayed out of it, I thought that was a bit off-color.


Thank you Quill.   There are many things I will put up with or iginore, but I will never, under any circumstances, have anyone disrespect her or her life.

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:55 pm

Lord Foul wrote:yeah well stop with the insane expectations...

I can only make changes either with bens agreement, or where I'm confident he WOULD agree, if he's not there to ask directly....Its NOT my forum...

AND iI can only relistically make these changes slowly so as to give em time to "sink in"

and of course they are of necessity "reactive" rather than proactive

so far only you and raggs have had rules altered/added at your request  Razz

(well thats to say in response to  "but theres no rule against that")  Twisted Evil

We're discussing it, s'all. Ben runs a good show. You ran SF really well. Here we are, in the upper quadrant, discussing these things. It's all good.
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Post by Victorismyhero on Fri Apr 08, 2016 11:58 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I think that's dead wrong.  Doxing is doxing, whether its affirmative or in reverse.

It can be dealt with under "disruption and or harrasment" quill

I'm just trying to be logical.  

the logic of the mind legal is not necessarily the logic of "the common man" quill...

Lord Foul wrote:to try to legislate against it leads to running up against "freedom of opinion"

An opinion that one shouldn't be expressing, if out mission is to discuss topics and not each other.

1st amendment??

Lord Foul wrote:I mean...its perfectly resonable to cast aspersions at anothers claim to greatness...lets face it anyone can claim to be anything, and anyone has a right to doubt that claim ...and say so...

So...so what?  That's not what we are about.  As eds says, we should be addressing a topic, not the person.

true...but unfortuately it appears from experience that we deal in egos as well as "conversation" Laughing

Lord Foul wrote:BUT where it all goes pear shaped and needs dealing with .....is when it becomes a "hobby" as Sassy rightly says ...when someone is following you around accusing you of lying over everything you say....that will not be tolerated any more.....

I don't know anything about Sassy's situation.  I just saw what she was saying in the abstract, and picked up on it.
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Post by eddie on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:00 am

Enough waffle. Answer the post, not the poster and all will be well with the world and I can file and paint my nails in peace.
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And pout!

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Post by Victorismyhero on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:01 am

Miffs2 wrote:R
eddie wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:D

Who was followed round the board by Sassy? That's what she has been accusing me of lol. Either she is totally lacking in self awareness or a rip roaring hypocrite. Could be both   Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

It was storm after she hexed him.

So sassy can add rip roaring hypocrite to her cv.

Hexing someone?! Have you ever heard anything so utterly pathetic and contemptible ?
More to be pitied than scolded I suppose

OI....put the pitchfork away ....... Please re read the site rules 479860004

and actually Miffs to be perfectly fair it WAS a response NOT an unprovoked "have a go"

all considered, If I had been modding at the time stormee would have been history for that.....
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sassy wrote:And pout!
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:02 am

Lord Foul wrote:An opinion that one shouldn't be expressing, if out mission is to discuss topics and not each other.

1st amendment??

Yeah, that's the one thing you've got me on...and I realized it when I said it.  

That's the reason why I spoke about "our mission".  I'm a big advocate of freedom of expression, but there's such a thing as 'scope of discussion'.  And I think that, just as it's inappropriate to yell 'FIRE!' in a crowded theater, it's just as inappropriate to deliberately pick fights on a forum.

N'uff said.
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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:05 am

Lord Foul wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:R


So sassy can add rip roaring hypocrite to her cv.

Hexing someone?! Have you ever heard anything so utterly pathetic and contemptible ?
More to be pitied than scolded I suppose

OI....put the pitchfork away ....... Please re read the site rules 479860004

and actually Miffs to be perfectly fair it WAS a response NOT an unprovoked "have a go"

all considered, If I had been modding at the time stormee would have been history for that.....


Thanks for the acknowledgement of it.

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Post by Miffs2 on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:15 am

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Lord Foul wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:R


So sassy can add rip roaring hypocrite to her cv.

Hexing someone?! Have you ever heard anything so utterly pathetic and contemptible ?
More to be pitied than scolded I suppose

OI....put the pitchfork away ....... Please re read the site rules 479860004

and actually Miffs to be perfectly fair it WAS a response NOT an unprovoked "have a go"

all considered, If I had been modding at the time stormee would have been history for that.....
I have said it before I will say it again, if you choose to post your personal life online you make it public property and so you don't get to whine if comments you don't like are made. 
As for the hexing horseshit, it's out of order. You know my feelings about that.
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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:20 am

LF stated >>> this point onward...


Sweet Jesus; I've been trying to figure out why the 'LINK' wasn't working...just gave up and went over to Eddie's Rule thread and read that again! Rolling Eyes

TY for explaining WTF 'DOX' meant...I've been reading that {dribbled around this place a plenty} and had NO IDEA WTH it meant   Please re read the site rules 2681620681

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Post by eddie on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:26 am

File your nails for a while 4ever....till it blows over.
It works for me.
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Post by Victorismyhero on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:27 am

Miffs2 wrote:S
Lord Foul wrote:
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So sassy can add rip roaring hypocrite to her cv.

Hexing someone?! Have you ever heard anything so utterly pathetic and contemptible ?
More to be pitied than scolded I suppose

OI....put the pitchfork away ....... Please re read the site rules 479860004

and actually Miffs to be perfectly fair it WAS a response NOT an unprovoked "have a go"

all considered, If I had been modding at the time stormee would have been history for that.....
I have said it before I will say it again, if you choose to post your personal life online you make it public property

that may well be true ...BUT it doesnt mean its a free for all...otherwise you are justifying the rule of the cyber bullies and trolls...just becasue some parts of the web are like that doesnt mean we should tolerate such behaviour here...we can ...and will....set better standards

and so you don't get to whine if comments you don't like are made. 

but you do...in the absence of any other control.... get to retaliate

which is why I am making the slow but certain changes i am.....to try to head off these things BEFORE they blow up into what we have seen....

As for the hexing horseshit, it's out of order. You know my feelings about that.

It could have been worse affraid .....It was only an hex.......

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:28 am

Miffs2 wrote:I have said it before I will say it again, if you choose to post your personal life online you make it public property and so you don't get to whine if comments you don't like are made.
As for the hexing horseshit, it's out of order. You know my feelings about that.

Everybody puts some of their personal life on line. Syl has a photo with her mother. Sass has a daughter. Ben is a reporter. Vic does beautiful woodwork. Stormee has a wife who helps him on 'Who is This'? Cass is in Arizona and runs a library.

It's all part of conversing. That's why I say 'reverse doxing' is maybe worse, because its actually starting the dissing. It begins with disagreements, anyway, and it's usually the first step in attacking a poster, and not the post.
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Post by Victorismyhero on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:29 am

4EVER2 wrote:
LF stated >>> this point onward...


Sweet Jesus; I've been trying to figure out why the 'LINK' wasn't working...just gave up and went over to Eddie's Rule thread and read that again! Rolling Eyes

TY for explaining WTF 'DOX' meant...I've been reading that {dribbled around this place a plenty} and had NO IDEA WTH it meant   Please re read the site rules 2681620681

Geeze, and it's been such a truly pleasant day in the "NEIGHBORHOOD" too!  Please re read the site rules 1481518877

links is blue or rather a sort of fetching bluey purple.... (or by protocl should be) Laughing
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Post by eddie on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:29 am

See if sassy had offered SEX instead of a HEX.... I reckon she'd have got rid of Stormee faster.
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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:30 am

Lord Foul wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:S

I have said it before I will say it again, if you choose to post your personal life online you make it public property

that may well be true ...BUT it doesnt mean its a free for all...otherwise you are justifying the rule of the cyber bullies and trolls...just becasue some parts of the web are like that doesnt mean we should tolerate such behaviour here...we can ...and will....set better standards

and so you don't get to whine if comments you don't like are made. 

but you do...in the absence of any other control.... get to retaliate

which is why I am making the slow but certain changes i am.....to try to head off these things BEFORE they blow up into what we have seen....

As for the hexing horseshit, it's out of order. You know my feelings about that.

It could have been worse  affraid .....It was only an hex.......



Exactly!

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:30 am

eddie wrote:See if sassy had offered SEX instead of a HEX.... I reckon she'd have got rid of Stormee faster.


OMGG!!!   I'd have killed myself first.

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 09, 2016 12:33 am

eddie wrote:File your nails for a while 4ever....till it blows over.
It works for me.

Well THANKS to the beautiful weather I was outside mowing most of this entire hysteria driven dribble and lucked out...but I do have dirt under my nails now...sooooo! 
But we did have a stellar day despite how it went to the toilet/loo or whatever you folks call it!   Wink

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